Is Jesus God Almighty, Everlasting Father?

[SpiritualSon]

Thus saith Jehovah the King of Israel, and his Redeemer Jehovah of Armies, I am the first and the last Isaiah 44:6 Isaiah 48:12.

Jesus said: "Behold, I come quickly, to give everyone according to his work: I am the Alpha and the Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last, Revelation 22:12-13.

Both statements were said by the same God. There is only one Alpha and the Omega.

Harry

 

[SpiritualSon]

Jesus said, "I am come from God" John 8:42 - the Body came forth from the Soul. The Soul of Jesus is His Divine Love (Father), it is that which sent Him

"The Son can do nothing of Himself, - but what He seeth the Father do" John 5:19 - the Body or the Human of Jesus can do nothing of Itself, but what it is directed to do by His Soul, which is the Father.

"Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God" Matt. 16: 16 - The Messiah, the Body of the Infinite itself, which alone is Life-in-itself.

John the Baptist heard the voice coming from the Soul of Jesus saying,
"This is My beloved Son, in Whom I am well pleased" Matt. 3:17 - the Divine Body or Human in which it pleased the Father to dwell while on earth.

"My Father is greater than I" John 14:28 - the Soul or the Divine is greater than the Body or Human of Jesus, since it directs it.

"No Man cometh unto the Father but by Me" John 14:6 - Just as we cannot know a person's soul until we see how the person behaves.

Was Jesus praying too Himself in the garden and on the cross? My answer: He was not praying to another person. When Jesus in the world, He had two states in Him, the state of humiliation and the state of glorification. In the state of humiliation He prayed to the Father as to one who was other than Himself. In the state of glorification He spoke with the Father as with Himself. In this latter state He said that the Father was in Him and He in the Father, and that the Father and He were one, as one Divine Person.

In the state of humiliation He underwent temptations, and suffered the cross, and prayed to the Father not to forsake Him. For the Divine in Jesus could not be tempted, much less could it suffer the cross.

From what has been said it is now evident that by means of temptations and continual victories in them, and by the passion of the cross which was the last of the temptations, the Lord completely conquered the hells, and fully glorified His Human. To glorify, is to make Divine. Jesus made His Human Divine, from the Divine in Himself called the Father.

I am happy that 65% over 35 % agree that Jesus is the Father. The Lord has reach many with the truth, others get their false ideas from men of the world. It is the Lord who helps the person to understand the truth. Others have satan behind them.

Harry

 

[lecoop]

Spirit, soul and body

I guess I can stand it no longer, and must jump in.

Man was created in God's image. We as humans are a trinity. We are a spirit being created to live forever. We possess a soul, which is our mind, will, emotions and affections. We live in a flesh and blood body.

Which part of us is seen? Our body. Which part of us makes decisions? Usually our soul (will). However, it seems that our spirit has a will also, and if we live by the spirit, we will be following the will of our spirit. Only the word of God can separate our soul and spirit. My spirit is me, my body is me, and my soul is me: me, myself and I: one being with three parts, but any one part is still me.

God is a three part being also, since we are created in His image. Therefore, the Holy Spirit is God, Jesus is God and the Father is God. They are one being.

One part of this being we call God was the one seen by Abraham. Isaiah called Him the "redeemer." He was the second person of the trinity, and what would relate to our body. The Father would relate to our soul - the one that makes the decisions. The Holy Spirit of course relates to our spirit. Which part of the trinity came down to be born of a virgin? The Redeemer of the old covenant: the second person of the trinity.

Many people like to say that He was 100% God and 100% man. This is not accurate. He was God because the real person, the spirit inside the fleshly body, was God himself, the second person of the trinity. He was man, because he was living in a flesh and blood body. While in the flesh, he was always in submission to the Father.

Let's digress for a moment: why would God ask Abraham to sacrifice his son, when we know that God is against human sacrifice? I ask God this question until He answered. God entered into a Blood sacrifice with Abraham. In this blood sacrifice, Abraham pledged or vowed that all he was or possessed was God's if HE needed it. Abraham was willing to shed his blood for God if necessary. In this blood sacrifice, God pledged or vowed that all HE was or possessed was Abraham's if Abe' needed it. God was willing to shed HIS blood for Abraham, if necessary.

But wait!!! God did not have any blood to shed! He would have to obtain a flesh and blood body to fulfill this blood covenant. And God had to prove to the spiritual underworld that Abraham would back up this blood covenant: so God ask Abraham to shed Isaac's blood! Once God proved to Satan that Abraham was willing - then the way was made for God to take on flesh so that He would have blood to shed; for Abraham - indeed all flesh - desperately needed a redeemer!

So God the father prepared a flesh body for the redeemer - the second person of the trinity. He laid aside all that was necessary to become human, and was born of a virgin. Was he God as an infant? Of course, because God was the spirit in the body. Was there a human spirit in the body also, say co-existent with God? No! God was the spirit in the body. Therefore, we cannot say that HE was 100% human, because there was no "human" spirit: God, the second person of the trinity was the spirit in the body of Jesus. That is why He could say "before Abraham was, I AM!" The life inside the body of Jesus has existed forever: millions of years before Abraham. Jesus was not a schizophrenic: He did not have multiple personalities, both a human spirit and God together!

Was Jesus God the Father? In one way, because they three are one being. But Jesus was not the father, he was the second person of the trinity. He could not be at the same time, both the body and the soul, so to speak. But both the body and the soul were God.

Could Jesus be omnipresent? No, there was no way that Jesus' fleshly body could be everywhere at once. He had to lay that characteristic of God aside to take on flesh. But on the other hand, HE was still very much part of the Father and the HS, and all the time He was in the flesh, the HS was omnipresent!

When Jessie Duplantis was in heaven, he saw Jesus walk right into the Father and the two became one. Then he would see Jesus walk right out of the father, and they were two separate entities. Jessie then ask the angel near him, "I don't understand: I see Jesus and I see the Father; where is the Holy Spirit?" The angel answered him, "He is on planet earth!" Then, as Jessie put it, he felt really stupid for asking such a question! Whether or not you believe Jessie when he tells this story, it shows that God is a trinity, and how Jesus can be one with the Father, and He can also stand at the Father's right hand.

Did Jesus use the power He had as the Second person of the trinity to perform all the miracles? No. He came as a man, and performed all the miracles as a man, anointed with the Holy Spirit. It seems that while God was resident in a human body, His appearance in the spiritual realm must have appeared just as a human spirit, because the devil could not figure out which human it was that was God until Jesus was baptized. Perhaps we don't know just how much like God we were created!

How are we as born again believers like Jesus was? We have the Holy Spirit in us. Jesus had the anointing of the HS upon Him. Someone said that we are as much an "incarnation" as Jesus was. Yes, we do have God in us as Jesus did, but there is one HUGE difference: The spirit inside the body of Jesus was God himself. The spirit inside our fleshly body is a human spirit, with the indwelling HS in us also. So we are an incarnation, because we are flesh with God in us, but we are not and never will be God.

Coop

 

[lecoop]

How can God be " the son?"

Sorry, but I forgot to include this. How can God have a son? How can Jesus be God and at the same time be the Son? God created the male part of the DNA for Jesus' body. Since God the Father took the place of an earthly father in creating the seed that became Jesus' body, HE has every right to call the body of Jesus His Son. However, we know that Jesus was not God's offspring, but God Himself. We will not know until we arrive in heaven, what price God paid to forever alter Himself by taking on flesh. The second person of the trinity will forever more have a flesh and bone body. God Himself then, will forever more have a flesh and bone body.

Coop

 

[SpiritualSon]

Re: Spirit, soul and body

I guess I can stand it no longer, and must jump in.

Man was created in God's image. We as humans are a trinity. We are a spirit being created to live forever. We possess a soul, which is our mind, will, emotions and affections. We live in a flesh and blood body.

The Lord also had a Trinity in Him; His Trinity is Divine, ours is human, less than His. He became one of us, with a Soul and Body. His Soul was the Father. God the Creator did not divided Himself into three persons. The Soul, Body and Spirit in Jesus Christ was the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

A man is not an image and like of God, unless God were in him. Man is not an image and likeness of God because of adam and Eve. He become an image and likeness of God because he lives by God's Divine Order, because God is order itself. The man should suffer himself to be led by God. People should asks themselves the question, if they believe they are an image and likeness of God, am I shunning evil as sins. Am I obeying the Ten Commandments?

Harry

 

[lecoop]

Re: Spirit, soul and body

I guess I can stand it no longer, and must jump in.

Man was created in God's image. We as humans are a trinity. We are a spirit being created to live forever. We possess a soul, which is our mind, will, emotions and affections. We live in a flesh and blood body.

The Lord also had a Trinity in Him; His Trinity is Divine, ours is human, less than His. He became one of us, with a Soul and Body. His Soul was the Father. God the Creator did not divided Himself into three persons. The Soul, Body and Spirit in Jesus Christ was the Father, Son and Holy Spirit.

A man is not an image and like of God, unless God were in him. Man is not an image and likeness of God because of adam and Eve. He become an image and likeness of God because he lives by God's Divine Order, because God is order itself. The man should suffer himself to be led by God. People should asks themselves the question, if they believe they are an image and likeness of God, am I shunning evil as sins. Am I obeying the Ten Commandments?

Harry

Genesis 1:26
And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion...

Genesis 1:27
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

It seems that God made Adam and Eve in the likeness of Him.

Coop

 

[Michael A Disciple]

A man is made in the image of God. Right there should settle the issue! Look at yourself in the mirror. Are you one person or 3 persons?

Spirit, soul, and body does not equal three persons but one singular person.

Thats what God is. One.

 

[SpiritualSon]

A man is made in the image of God. Right there should settle the issue! Look at yourself in the mirror. Are you one person or 3 persons?

Spirit, soul, and body does not equal three persons but one singular person.

Thats what God is. One.

Michael,
I agree with you 100%. We are all one person, and so was God the Saviour Jesus Christ. His Trinity is Divine, ours is human.

I will begin a new topic about the Image and Likeness of God, because this one is about Jesus, is He the everlasting Father or not. Also I wil start another topic concerning "The right hand of God."

The question men of church ask when I try to prove that the Divine Trinity is in Jesus Christ, is who was Jesus praying too in the garden and on the cross.They bring up question, why did God say, "Like us make man"? They are saying there was a trinity before creation, which I disagree with, because were no trinity before creation. There are many places in the Old Testament that contradicts the man made trinity before creation.

Jehovah God the Father said these words below because He knew the future church would divide Him into three persons. This same God became man under the name Jesus Christ, therefore God the Creator also had a Trinity, when He became a Person, a Divine Person.

I am Jehovah and there is none else there is no God besides Me that they may know from the rising of the sun, and from the west, that there is no God besides Me: I am Jehovah and there is none else Isaiah 45:5-6.

O Jehovah of Armies, God of Israel, that dwellest on the cherubim, Thou art the God, even Thou alone, over all the kingdoms of the earth Isaiah 37:16.

Is there a God besides Me? and a Rock? I know not any Isaiah 44:8. Jesus Christ, who is the Father, is the Rock, not Peter. Paul also wrote that Jesus Christ is the Rock.

I Jehovah will give thee for a covenant to the people, for a light of the nations. I am Jehovah, that is My name, and My glory will I not give to another Isaiah 42:6-8. Where does the second person of the man made trinity fit in, because God said, "My glory I will not give to another." The man made trinity was invented at the Council of Nicea in 325AD, because they couldn't prove the Divinity of Jesus or that He was God the Creator. They invented the trinity of three persons, because it was ideal to them. There was no truth in it.
Harry :fadein:

 

[SpiritualSon]

Merry Christmas to all

Harry :fadein:

 

[lecoop]

Michael,
I agree with you 100%. We are all one person, and so was God the Saviour Jesus Christ. His Trinity is Divine, ours is human.


They bring up question, why did God say, "Like [let] us make man"? They are saying there was a trinity before creation, which I disagree with, because were no trinity before creation. There are many places in the Old Testament that contradicts the man made trinity before creation.

They invented the trinity of three persons, because it was ideal to them. There was no truth in it.
Harry :fadein:

It seems to me that you are contridicting yourself. Or perhaps I am not understanding you.

The trinity of man is not as the trinity of God. God can separate Himself in that the second person can leave the throne, where the Father resides, and come to earth. The Holy Spirit, the third person of the trinity, can leave the Father and come to earth. Jesus can go back to the Father and send the HS. God can do this with no hurt to any of the three parts of Himself. God had this ability all through the old covenant, and even before creation. In fact, the only difference in Him before and after the New Covenant was that the second person of HIM took on flesh, and became a flesh and bone part of the trinity. So He was a trinity in the eternities past, a trinity during the life of Christ on earth, and is still a trinity now, and will be forever.

On the other hand, if our spirit leaves our body, our heart stops. And only the word of God is powerful enough to separate our soul and spirit.

Coop

 

[SpiritualSon]

Michael,
I agree with you 100%. We are all one person, and so was God the Saviour Jesus Christ. His Trinity is Divine, ours is human.


They bring up question, why did God say, "Like [let] us make man"? They are saying there was a trinity before creation, which I disagree with, because were no trinity before creation. There are many places in the Old Testament that contradicts the man made trinity before creation.

They invented the trinity of three persons, because it was ideal to them. There was no truth in it.
Harry :fadein:

It seems to me that you are contridicting yourself. Or perhaps I am not understanding you.

The trinity of man is not as the trinity of God. God can separate Himself in that the second person can leave the throne, where the Father resides, and come to earth. The Holy Spirit, the third person of the trinity, can leave the Father and come to earth. Jesus can go back to the Father and send the HS. God can do this with no hurt to any of the three parts of Himself. God had this ability all through the old covenant, and even before creation. In fact, the only difference in Him before and after the New Covenant was that the second person of HIM took on flesh, and became a flesh and bone part of the trinity. So He was a trinity in the eternities past, a trinity during the life of Christ on earth, and is still a trinity now, and will be forever.

On the other hand, if our spirit leaves our body, our heart stops. And only the word of God is powerful enough to separate our soul and spirit.

Coop

Father and the Son are one, as the soul and body are one in Jesus Christ. The Father is in the Son, and the Son in the Father, as the soul is in the body, and the body is in the soul of Jesus Christ This the Lord plainly says in John 10:30 John 14:10-11. If you do not believe this you divide God into two; and when this is done you are unable to think about God otherwise than naturally, sensually, and even materially; and this has been done in the world since the time of the Council of Nice, which introduced the doctrine of three Divine persons from eternity, and thereby turned the church into a theater furnished with painted hangings, wherein the actors were representing new plays.

Harry :fadein:

 

[lecoop]

Michael,
I agree with you 100%. We are all one person, and so was God the Saviour Jesus Christ. His Trinity is Divine, ours is human.


They bring up question, why did God say, "Like [let] us make man"? They are saying there was a trinity before creation, which I disagree with, because were no trinity before creation. There are many places in the Old Testament that contradicts the man made trinity before creation.

They invented the trinity of three persons, because it was ideal to them. There was no truth in it.
Harry :fadein:

It seems to me that you are contridicting yourself. Or perhaps I am not understanding you.

The trinity of man is not as the trinity of God. God can separate Himself in that the second person can leave the throne, where the Father resides, and come to earth. The Holy Spirit, the third person of the trinity, can leave the Father and come to earth. Jesus can go back to the Father and send the HS. God can do this with no hurt to any of the three parts of Himself. God had this ability all through the old covenant, and even before creation. In fact, the only difference in Him before and after the New Covenant was that the second person of HIM took on flesh, and became a flesh and bone part of the trinity. So He was a trinity in the eternities past, a trinity during the life of Christ on earth, and is still a trinity now, and will be forever.

On the other hand, if our spirit leaves our body, our heart stops. And only the word of God is powerful enough to separate our soul and spirit.

Coop

Father and the Son are one, as the soul and body are one in Jesus Christ. The Father is in the Son, and the Son in the Father, as the soul is in the body, and the body is in the soul of Jesus Christ This the Lord plainly says in John 10:30 John 14:10-11. If you do not believe this you divide God into two; and when this is done you are unable to think about God otherwise than naturally, sensually, and even materially; and this has been done in the world since the time of the Council of Nice, which introduced the doctrine of three Divine persons from eternity, and thereby turned the church into a theater furnished with painted hangings, wherein the actors were representing new plays.

Harry :fadein:

Harry, I do not divide God into two, but three persons. I have never heard of a duoity; neither is there any scripture that would lead us to think so. No one invented the trinity! He has been there all along. We clearly see him in three persons when Jesus was baptized: God the Father speaking, Jesus being the one baptized, and the HS as a dove. Why make this difficult when God made it so plain? Then, if there is no trinity, you have to wonder who Jesus is praying to, and who anointed Him for ministry.

Coop

 

[SpiritualSon]

Michael,
I agree with you 100%. We are all one person, and so was God the Saviour Jesus Christ. His Trinity is Divine, ours is human.


They bring up question, why did God say, "Like [let] us make man"? They are saying there was a trinity before creation, which I disagree with, because were no trinity before creation. There are many places in the Old Testament that contradicts the man made trinity before creation.

They invented the trinity of three persons, because it was ideal to them. There was no truth in it.
Harry :fadein:

It seems to me that you are contridicting yourself. Or perhaps I am not understanding you.

The trinity of man is not as the trinity of God. God can separate Himself in that the second person can leave the throne, where the Father resides, and come to earth. The Holy Spirit, the third person of the trinity, can leave the Father and come to earth. Jesus can go back to the Father and send the HS. God can do this with no hurt to any of the three parts of Himself. God had this ability all through the old covenant, and even before creation. In fact, the only difference in Him before and after the New Covenant was that the second person of HIM took on flesh, and became a flesh and bone part of the trinity. So He was a trinity in the eternities past, a trinity during the life of Christ on earth, and is still a trinity now, and will be forever.

On the other hand, if our spirit leaves our body, our heart stops. And only the word of God is powerful enough to separate our soul and spirit.

Coop

Father and the Son are one, as the soul and body are one in Jesus Christ. The Father is in the Son, and the Son in the Father, as the soul is in the body, and the body is in the soul of Jesus Christ This the Lord plainly says in John 10:30 John 14:10-11. If you do not believe this you divide God into two; and when this is done you are unable to think about God otherwise than naturally, sensually, and even materially; and this has been done in the world since the time of the Council of Nice, which introduced the doctrine of three Divine persons from eternity, and thereby turned the church into a theater furnished with painted hangings, wherein the actors were representing new plays.

Harry :fadein:

Harry, I do not divide God into two, but three persons. I have never heard of a duoity; neither is there any scripture that would lead us to think so. No one invented the trinity! He has been there all along. We clearly see him in three persons when Jesus was baptized: God the Father speaking, Jesus being the one baptized, and the HS as a dove. Why make this difficult when God made it so plain? Then, if there is no trinity, you have to wonder who Jesus is praying to, and who anointed Him for ministry.

Coop

The Father is the Soul of Jesus. The soul is not outside the person, but inside the person. When Jesus was baptize, John heard the voice coming the Lord's Soul. The kingdom of God is within you Luke 17:21. The trouble with the Catholic and Protestant Church is that both believe in the trinity of three persons, but don't believe the Soul of Jesus is the Father, and yet He said, the Father and I are one. In John 14:7-14, "He that hath seen hath seen the Father."

John 1:1-3 (King James Version)

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. With God means in God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. This proves that Jesus Christ is the Everlasting Father and the only Creator.

Harry :fadein:

 

[lecoop]

Michael,
I agree with you 100%. We are all one person, and so was God the Saviour Jesus Christ. His Trinity is Divine, ours is human.


They bring up question, why did God say, "Like [let] us make man"? They are saying there was a trinity before creation, which I disagree with, because were no trinity before creation. There are many places in the Old Testament that contradicts the man made trinity before creation.

They invented the trinity of three persons, because it was ideal to them. There was no truth in it.
Harry :fadein:

It seems to me that you are contridicting yourself. Or perhaps I am not understanding you.

The trinity of man is not as the trinity of God. God can separate Himself in that the second person can leave the throne, where the Father resides, and come to earth. The Holy Spirit, the third person of the trinity, can leave the Father and come to earth. Jesus can go back to the Father and send the HS. God can do this with no hurt to any of the three parts of Himself. God had this ability all through the old covenant, and even before creation. In fact, the only difference in Him before and after the New Covenant was that the second person of HIM took on flesh, and became a flesh and bone part of the trinity. So He was a trinity in the eternities past, a trinity during the life of Christ on earth, and is still a trinity now, and will be forever.

On the other hand, if our spirit leaves our body, our heart stops. And only the word of God is powerful enough to separate our soul and spirit.

Coop

Father and the Son are one, as the soul and body are one in Jesus Christ. The Father is in the Son, and the Son in the Father, as the soul is in the body, and the body is in the soul of Jesus Christ This the Lord plainly says in John 10:30 John 14:10-11. If you do not believe this you divide God into two; and when this is done you are unable to think about God otherwise than naturally, sensually, and even materially; and this has been done in the world since the time of the Council of Nice, which introduced the doctrine of three Divine persons from eternity, and thereby turned the church into a theater furnished with painted hangings, wherein the actors were representing new plays.

Harry :fadein:

Harry, I do not divide God into two, but three persons. I have never heard of a duoity; neither is there any scripture that would lead us to think so. No one invented the trinity! He has been there all along. We clearly see him in three persons when Jesus was baptized: God the Father speaking, Jesus being the one baptized, and the HS as a dove. Why make this difficult when God made it so plain? Then, if there is no trinity, you have to wonder who Jesus is praying to, and who anointed Him for ministry.

Coop

The Father is the Soul of Jesus. The soul is not outside the person, but inside the person. When Jesus was baptize, John heard the voice coming the Lord's Soul. The kingdom of God is within you Luke 17:21. The trouble with the Catholic and Protestant Church is that both believe in the trinity of three persons, but don't believe the Soul of Jesus is the Father, and yet He said, the Father and I are one. In John 14:7-14, "He that hath seen hath seen the Father."

John 1:1-3 (King James Version)

John 1
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. With God means in God.

2 The same was in the beginning with God.

3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. This proves that Jesus Christ is the Everlasting Father and the only Creator.

Harry :fadein:

Actually, I understand what you are saying, and I still disagree, in part. I do agree that in comparing the Godhead to the human, the Father God would be the soul. Therefore, I agree with you that God the Father was the soul for Jesus, if you are speaking for the spirit inside the body.

I had not thought much about how tightly the human soul and spirit are tied, in relation to Jesus. However, I am convinced that while Jesus was on earth, Father God was on his throne in heaven.

Now you have got me to thinking. I believe that human spirits are created by God and put into the human being at conception. Where then, does the soul come from? Does it come with the spirit, or is it created as the child grows?

Someone that has taken a trip to heaven, saw Jesus walk right into the Father, and the two became one; then walk right back out, and the one became two. I believe that the Father stays on his throne.

Coop

 

[lecoop]

Btw, where do you see the spirit of the human, compared to God? If we are created in his image, why would we have three parts, and God only two?

If the Father is the soul while Jesus is walking the earth, where is the Holy Spirit?

It is interesting that the second person of God, the redeemer from the old covenant, because the spirit inside the body of Jesus, rather than the HS.

Coop

 

[SpiritualSon]

Btw, where do you see the spirit of the human, compared to God? If we are created in his image, why would we have three parts, and God only two?

If the Father is the soul while Jesus is walking the earth, where is the Holy Spirit?

It is interesting that the second person of God, the redeemer from the old covenant, because the spirit inside the body of Jesus, rather than the HS.

Coop

Coop,
The Holy Spirit means Divine Truth. Divine Truth is the Word, and Jesus Christ is the Word, which means He is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not a god, but Divine Truth that proceeds from God the Saviour Jesus Christ. Jehovah God the Father had spoken to the Prophets by means of the Holy Spirit, which means, by means of Divine Truth. The Holy Spirit is the Divine Truth and also the Divine Energy and Operation done by God the Saviour Jesus Christ.

Jesus sending the Holy Spirit from the Father to the Disciples, was from Himself. When the Comforter is come whom I will send unto you from the Father, the Spirit of truth that goes forth from the Father, He shall bear witness of Me, John 15:26. From the Father means from the Divine Love in Jesus. The Lord's Soul is the Father. That is His Divine Love. He is sending the Holy Spirit from Himself, not from another.

Harry :fadein:

 

[lecoop]

Btw, where do you see the spirit of the human, compared to God? If we are created in his image, why would we have three parts, and God only two?

If the Father is the soul while Jesus is walking the earth, where is the Holy Spirit?

It is interesting that the second person of God, the redeemer from the old covenant, because the spirit inside the body of Jesus, rather than the HS.

Coop

Coop,
The Holy Spirit means Divine Truth. Divine Truth is the Word, and Jesus Christ is the Word, which means He is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not a god, but Divine Truth that proceeds from God the Saviour Jesus Christ. Jehovah God the Father had spoken to the Prophets by means of the Holy Spirit, which means, by means of Divine Truth. The Holy Spirit is the Divine Truth and also the Divine Energy and Operation done by God the Saviour Jesus Christ.

Jesus sending the Holy Spirit from the Father to the Disciples, was from Himself. When the Comforter is come whom I will send unto you from the Father, the Spirit of truth that goes forth from the Father, He shall bear witness of Me, John 15:26. From the Father means from the Divine Love in Jesus. The Lord's Soul is the Father. That is His Divine Love. He is sending the Holy Spirit from Himself, not from another.

Harry :fadein:

Harry, as the "bible answer man" is want to say, what you believe is way beyond or outsite of the "pale of orthodxy," that has been the mainstream beliefs down through the centuries. How can you have Jesus and the HS as one, when Jesus was coming up from the water and the HS was coming down like a dove? How can you have Jesus be the HS, when Jesus said, if I don't go, I can't send Him? If Jesus was Himself, He would have to go where the HS was; yet Jesus is saying that He cannot send the HS until He leaves the earth.

Jesus called the Spirit "another" comforter. He therefore cannot be one and the same as the HS. Interesting though, in the very next verse Jesus says "I will come back to you." What does this mean? That Jesus and the HS are part of the same being. It is for sure that the spiritual body of Jesus, with the holes in His hands, is not dwelling in me. No, it is the HS, the third person of the Godhead that is dwelling in us, while the Father and Jesus are standing side by side at the throne. They two cannot be one, for it would be impossible to stand beside yourself.

Notice how Jesus puts this: "Whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of Truth Who comes (proceeds) from the Father. (John 15:26)

First, who is the "I?" He is the second person of the Godhead, Jesus. Who is the Father? He is the first person of the Godhead. Finally, who is the Spirit of Truth? He is the third person of the Godhead.

"...but if I go away, I will send Him..." (John 16:7)

Who is the "I?" It is Jesus. Who is the "Him?" It is the HS. Notice that Jesus calls the HS a "Him." Divine Truth is truth, but not a "him." A person is a him.

John 25:8 And when He comes, He will...

Only a person is a "He." Truth is not a "He."

Acts 10:19
While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

Beings can speak, but truth is spoken.

As I see it

Coop

 

[SpiritualSon]

Btw, where do you see the spirit of the human, compared to God? If we are created in his image, why would we have three parts, and God only two?

If the Father is the soul while Jesus is walking the earth, where is the Holy Spirit?

It is interesting that the second person of God, the redeemer from the old covenant, because the spirit inside the body of Jesus, rather than the HS.

Coop

Coop,
The Holy Spirit means Divine Truth. Divine Truth is the Word, and Jesus Christ is the Word, which means He is the Holy Spirit. The Holy Spirit is not a god, but Divine Truth that proceeds from God the Saviour Jesus Christ. Jehovah God the Father had spoken to the Prophets by means of the Holy Spirit, which means, by means of Divine Truth. The Holy Spirit is the Divine Truth and also the Divine Energy and Operation done by God the Saviour Jesus Christ.

Jesus sending the Holy Spirit from the Father to the Disciples, was from Himself. When the Comforter is come whom I will send unto you from the Father, the Spirit of truth that goes forth from the Father, He shall bear witness of Me, John 15:26. From the Father means from the Divine Love in Jesus. The Lord's Soul is the Father. That is His Divine Love. He is sending the Holy Spirit from Himself, not from another.

Harry :fadein:

Harry, as the "bible answer man" is want to say, what you believe is way beyond or outsite of the "pale of orthodxy," that has been the mainstream beliefs down through the centuries. How can you have Jesus and the HS as one, when Jesus was coming up from the water and the HS was coming down like a dove? How can you have Jesus be the HS, when Jesus said, if I don't go, I can't send Him? If Jesus was Himself, He would have to go where the HS was; yet Jesus is saying that He cannot send the HS until He leaves the earth.

Here is proof that the Lord is the Holy Spirit:
I baptise you with water for repentance, but he who will come after me will baptise with the Holy Spirit and with fire. Matthew 3:11; Mark 1:8; Luke 3:16.

The Holy Spirit was not yet, because Jesus was not yet glorified. John 7:39.

and after His glorification:

He breathed on His disciples and said, Receive the Holy Spirit. John 20:22.

The HS came from inside Jesus. He breath on the Disciples. In the book of Genesis God the Creator breath on Adam:Jehovah God breathed into Adam's nostrils the breath of life, and he became a living soul Genesis 2:7.

Jesus called the Spirit "another" comforter. He therefore cannot be one and the same as the HS. Interesting though, in the very next verse Jesus says "I will come back to you." What does this mean? That Jesus and the HS are part of the same being. It is for sure that the spiritual body of Jesus, with the holes in His hands, is not dwelling in me. No, it is the HS, the third person of the Godhead that is dwelling in us, while the Father and Jesus are standing side by side at the throne. They two cannot be one, for it would be impossible to stand beside yourself.

Notice how Jesus puts this: "Whom I will send to you from the Father, the Spirit of Truth Who comes (proceeds) from the Father. (John 15:26)

First, who is the "I?" He is the second person of the Godhead, Jesus. Who is the Father? He is the first person of the Godhead. Finally, who is the Spirit of Truth? He is the third person of the Godhead.

"...but if I go away, I will send Him..." (John 16:7)

Who is the "I?" It is Jesus. Who is the "Him?" It is the HS. Notice that Jesus calls the HS a "Him." Divine Truth is truth, but not a "him." A person is a him.

John 25:8 And when He comes, He will...

Only a person is a "He." Truth is not a "He."

Acts 10:19
While Peter thought on the vision, the Spirit said unto him, Behold, three men seek thee.

Beings can speak, but truth is spoken.

As I see it

Coop

 

[Klee shay]

God testified of the Son and the Son testified of the Comforter and the Comforter testified of truth. If these were not three separate beings united in one spirit, then all their testimonies would be lies.

They needed to be separate to give authority to their testimonies. One man testifying of himself could be a liar, but two men established truth.

God is not a man but he came in the body of one - therefore he was a being separate from God. If Jesus was God in the flesh then his very presence would have destoryed all of mankind. I can agree the spirit was the same but the beings were separate.

There just my thoughts. :D

 

[Solo]

God testified of the Son and the Son testified of the Comforter and the Comforter testified of truth. If these were not three separate beings united in one spirit, then all their testimonies would be lies.

They needed to be separate to give authority to their testimonies. One man testifying of himself could be a liar, but two men established truth.

God is not a man but he came in the body of one - therefore he was a being separate from God. If Jesus was God in the flesh then his very presence would have destoryed all of mankind. I can agree the spirit was the same but the beings were separate.

There just my thoughts. :D

In the following scripture, why did the Jews pick up stones to kill Jesus with?

54 Jesus answered, If I honour myself, my honour is nothing: it is my Father that honoureth me; of whom ye say, that he is your God: 55 Yet ye have not known him; but I know him: and if I should say, I know him not, I shall be a liar like unto you: but I know him, and keep his saying. 56 Your father Abraham rejoiced to see my day: and he saw it, and was glad. 57 Then said the Jews unto him, Thou art not yet fifty years old, and hast thou seen Abraham? 58 Jesus said unto them,[coilor=red] Verily, verily, I say unto you, Before Abraham was, I am.[/color] 59 Then took they up stones to cast at him: but Jesus hid himself, and went out of the temple, going through the midst of them, and so passed by. John 8:54-59