Is man not really capable of seeking God?

[GodsGrace]

Actually, I go back to the koine Greek language that God wrote the original text in through the original authors, which I have studied for many years.
All the translations and transliterations have been altered to fit the English language.
My favorite go-to bible is also the NASB translation in English, but I have a whole library of Greek study tools that I mostly refer to in my studies and only use the NASB for reference when talking to someone not familiar with the ORIGINAL LANGUAGE, which is much deeper, more complete, and covers a much wider fullness of meaning.

ABSOLUTELY
Did you read the scriptures I posted to you??
GOD SAID EVERYTHING.
All I did was repeat what God said.
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SEEK - ekzeteo
Koine Greek- The common language of the day that Jesus and all the disciples spoke
The meaning is to search out or seek diligently and earnestly, our God, with deep sincerity for His favor.
The synonyms for the word seek are anazeteo, diaginosko, dierotao, exetazo, ereunao, prosecho, andpunthanomai
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No. I'm not showing off.
I'm merely showing you the difference between the MILK of the word and the MEAT of God's word.

Your thoughts you compare to others, but all of you are drinking the "MILK" of the word which is immaturity,
while others EAT the MEAT of the word, which is "MATURITY".
You don't have to feel bad or insulted.
Your on the road to maturity, but have much further to go than others.
It's all part of the process of learning.

I see that Fastfredy0 agrees with you.
He always does. You must be a closet calvinist.

Jesus spoke Aramaic...He knew Greek because Nazareth was not far from an important trade route used by those of the whole region. Greek would be like knowing English in other countries --- it makes life easier. He also spoke Hebrew...that was the religious language.

I don't feel bad or insulted.
It's others that would make me feel this way, but I'm rather respected in my circle.
But that's neither here nor there.

I do wish to repeat that it's not necessary to know Greek, or any other language, to understand what God is trying to tell us in the book HE inspired.

So the verse you're speaking of would be
John 6:44
44“No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up on the last day.

Two points:

1. Jesus must have been confused because in the following verse He says the opposite:
John 12:32
32“And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”

Please reconcile this for me since you have the meat....
Please answer this question regarding John 6:44:

Who does the Father draw to Himself?

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And, it seems to me that you might believe that man cannot seek God or that Jesus said he cannot....

So you'll also have to reconcile the following:

Jesus Himself said:
Matthew 7:7-8
7“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.
8“For everyone who asks receives, and he who seeks finds, and to him who knocks it will be opened.

And, it seems all the writers of the bible believed God could be sought and found.
In fact, it seems God absolutely wants this....
The source is theopenbible.info

I think this will require reconciling too.

Matthew 6:33 ESV / 2,164 helpful votes​

But seek first the kingdom of God and his righteousness, and all these things will be added to you.

Hebrews 11:6 ESV / 1,813 helpful votes​

And without faith it is impossible to please him, for whoever would draw near to God must believe that he exists and that he rewards those who seek him.

1 Chronicles 16:11 ESV / 1,768 helpful votes​

Seek the Lord and his strength; seek his presence continually!

Proverbs 8:17 ESV / 1,765 helpful votes​

I love those who love me, and those who seek me diligently find me.

Jeremiah 29:13 ESV / 1,669 helpful votes​

You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart.

Psalm 63:1 ESV / 1,570 helpful votes​

A Psalm of David, when he was in the wilderness of Judah. O God, you are my God; earnestly I seek you; my soul thirsts for you; my flesh faints for you, as in a dry and weary land where there is no water.

m are radiant, and their faces...​

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Deuteronomy 4:29 ESV / 1,556 helpful votes​

But from there you will seek the Lord your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul.

Matthew 7:7-8 ESV / 1,334 helpful votes​

“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.

Psalm 9:10 ESV / 1,286 helpful votes​

And those who know your name put their trust in you, for you, O Lord, have not forsaken those who seek you.

Psalm 14:2 ESV / 1,200 helpful votes​

The Lord looks down from heaven on the children of man, to see if there are any who understand, who seek after God.

Psalm 34:10 ESV / 1,160 helpful votes​

The young lions suffer want and hunger; but those who seek the Lord lack no good thing.

Isaiah 55:6-7 ESV / 1,119 helpful votes​

“Seek the Lord while he may be found; call upon him while he is near; let the wicked forsake his way, and the unrighteous man his thoughts; let him return to the Lord, that he may have compassion on him, and to our God, for he will abundantly pardon.

Psalm 119:10 ESV / 1,070 helpful votes​

With my whole heart I seek you; let me not wander from your commandments!

Psalm 119:2 ESV / 1,064 helpful votes​

Blessed are those who keep his testimonies, who seek him with their whole heart,

Lamentations 3:25 ESV / 1,012 helpful votes​

The Lord is good to those who wait for him, to the soul who seeks him.

Jeremiah 29:12-14 ESV / 980 helpful votes​

Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you, declares the Lord, and I will restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and all the places where I have driven you, declares the Lord, and I will bring you back to the place from which I sent you into exile.

2 Chronicles 7:14 ESV / 959 helpful votes​

If my people who are called by my name humble themselves, and pray and seek my face and turn from their wicked ways, then I will hear from heaven and will forgive their sin and heal their land.

1 Chronicles 28:9 ESV / 884 helpful votes​

“And you, Solomon my son, know the God of your father and serve him with a whole heart and with a willing mind, for the Lord searches all hearts and understands every plan and thought. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will cast you off forever.

James 4:8 ESV / 874 helpful votes​

Draw near to God, and he will draw near to you. Cleanse your hands, you sinners, and purify your hearts, you double-minded.

Matthew 7:7 ESV / 855 helpful votes​

“Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you.

Psalm 105:4 ESV / 842 helpful votes​

Seek the Lord and his strength; seek his presence continually!

Amos 5:4 ESV / 752 helpful votes​

For thus says the Lord to the house of Israel: “Seek me and live;

Isaiah 55:6 ESV / 748 helpful votes​

“Seek the Lord while he may be found; call upon him while he is near;

Psalm 40:16 ESV / 738 helpful votes​

But may all who seek you rejoice and be glad in you; may those who love your salvation say continually, “Great is the Lord!”

Acts 17:27 ESV / 706 helpful votes​

That they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us,

Job 5:8-9 ESV / 670 helpful votes​

“As for me, I would seek God, and to God would I commit my cause, who does great things and unsearchable, marvelous things without number:

Zephaniah 2:3 ESV / 625 helpful votes​

Seek the Lord, all you humble of the land, who do his just commands; seek righteousness; seek humility; perhaps you may be hidden on the day of the anger of the Lord.

Psalm 10:4 ESV / 614 helpful votes​

In the pride of his face the wicked does not seek him; all his thoughts are, “There is no God.”

Psalm 27:8 ESV / 606 helpful votes​

You have said, “Seek my face.” My heart says to you, “Your face, Lord, do I seek.”

Psalm 27:4 ESV / 573 helpful votes​

One thing have I asked of the Lord, that will I seek after: that I may dwell in the house of the Lord all the days of my life, to gaze upon the beauty of the Lord and to inquire in his temple.

aces shall never be ashamed. ...​

Luke 11:9-10 ESV / 569 helpful votes​

And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.

Luke 12:31 ESV / 551 helpful votes​

Instead, seek his kingdom, and these things will be added to you.

Hosea 10:12 ESV / 551 helpful votes​

Sow for yourselves righteousness; reap steadfast love; break up your fallow ground, for it is the time to seek the Lord, that he may come and rain righteousness upon you.

1 Chronicles 22:19 ESV / 543 helpful votes​

Now set your mind and heart to seek the Lord your God. Arise and build the sanctuary of the Lord God, so that the ark of the covenant of the Lord and the holy vessels of God may be brought into a house built for the name of the Lord.”

James 1:5 ESV / 535 helpful votes​

If any of you lacks wisdom, let him ask God, who gives generously to all without reproach, and it will be given him.

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2 Chronicles 15:2 ESV / 520 helpful votes​

And he went out to meet Asa and said to him, “Hear me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin: The Lord is with you while you are with him. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will forsake you.

Matthew 13:44-46 ESV / 516 helpful votes​

“The kingdom of heaven is like treasure hidden in a field, which a man found and covered up. Then in his joy he goes and sells all that he has and buys that field. “Again, the kingdom of heaven is like a merchant in search of fine pearls, who, on finding one pearl of great value, went and sold all that he had and bought it.

Psalm 34:4 ESV / 513 helpful votes​

I sought the Lord, and he answered me and delivered me from all my fears.

Romans 3:11 ESV / 490 helpful votes​

No one understands; no one seeks for God.

Psalm 119:45 ESV / 487 helpful votes​

And I shall walk in a wide place, for I have sought your precepts.

Acts 17:26-27 ESV / 483 helpful votes​

And he made from one man every nation of mankind to live on all the face of the earth, having determined allotted periods and the boundaries of their dwelling place, that they should seek God, in the hope that they might feel their way toward him and find him. Yet he is actually not far from each one of us,

Matthew 5:6 ESV / 480 helpful votes​

“Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

Romans 8:28 ESV / 471 helpful votes​

And we know that for those who love God all things work together for good, for those who are called according to his purpose.

Luke 19:10 ESV / 465 helpful votes​

For the Son of Man came to seek and to save the lost.”

Psalm 37:4 ESV / 463 helpful votes​

Delight yourself in the Lord, and he will give you the desires of your heart.

Romans 3:10-11 ESV / 461 helpful votes​

As it is written: “None is righteous, no, not one; no one understands; no one seeks for God.

Proverbs 3:5-6 ESV / 461 helpful votes​

Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and do not lean on your own understanding. In all your ways acknowledge him, and he will make straight your paths.

2 Chronicles 15:12-15 ESV / 454 helpful votes​

And they entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and with all their soul, but that whoever would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, should be put to death, whether young or old, man or woman. They swore an oath to the Lord with a loud voice and with shouting and with trumpets and with horns. And all Judah rejoiced over the oath, for they had sworn with all their heart and had sought him with their whole desire, and he was found by them, and the Lord gave them rest all around.

Amos 5:4-6 ESV / 450 helpful votes​

For thus says the Lord to the house of Israel: “Seek me and live; but do not seek Bethel, and do not enter into Gilgal or cross over to Beersheba; for Gilgal shall surely go into exile, and Bethel shall come to nothing.” Seek the Lord and live, lest he break out like fire in the house of Joseph, and it devour, with none to quench it for Bethel,

Psalm 119:105 ESV / 434 helpful votes​

Your word is a lamp to my feet and a light to my path.

John 17:3 ESV / 427 helpful votes​

And this is eternal life, that they know you the only true God, and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.

Romans 12:1-2 ESV / 424 helpful votes​

I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship. Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect.

John 6:44 ESV / 421 helpful votes​

No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws him. And I will raise him up on the last day.

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Ephesians 6:10 ESV / 415 helpful votes​

Finally, be strong in the Lord and in the strength of his might.

1 John 2:17 ESV / 411 helpful votes​

And the world is passing away along with its desires, but whoever does the will of God abides forever.

Isaiah 45:19 ESV / 405 helpful votes​

I did not speak in secret, in a land of darkness; I did not say to the offspring of Jacob, ‘Seek me in vain.’ I the Lord speak the truth; I declare what is right.

Jeremiah 29:11-14 ESV / 386 helpful votes​

For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope. Then you will call upon me and come and pray to me, and I will hear you. You will seek me and find me, when you seek me with all your heart. I will be found by you, declares the Lord, and I will restore your fortunes and gather you from all the nations and all the places where I have driven you, declares the Lord, and I will bring you back to the place from which I sent you into exile.

John 5:30 ESV / 384 helpful votes​

“I can do nothing on my own. As I hear, I judge, and my judgment is just, because I seek not my own will but the will of him who sent me.

Proverbs 14:12 ESV / 383 helpful votes​

There is a way that seems right to a man, but its end is the way to death.

2 Corinthians 6:2 ESV / 380 helpful votes​

For he says, “In a favorable time I listened to you, and in a day of salvation I have helped you.” Behold, now is the favorable time; behold, now is the day of salvation.

2 Chronicles 11:16 ESV / 356 helpful votes​

And those who had set their hearts to seek the Lord God of Israel came after them from all the tribes of Israel to Jerusalem to sacrifice to the Lord, the God of their fathers.

Acts 15:16-17 ESV / 353 helpful votes​

“‘After this I will return, and I will rebuild the tent of David that has fallen; I will rebuild its ruins, and I will restore it, that the remnant of mankind may seek the Lord, and all the Gentiles who are called by my name, says the Lord, who makes these things

Zechariah 8:20-23 ESV / 350 helpful votes​

“Thus says the Lord of hosts: Peoples shall yet come, even the inhabitants of many cities. The inhabitants of one city shall go to another, saying, ‘Let us go at once to entreat the favor of the Lord and to seek the Lord of hosts; I myself am going.’ Many peoples and strong nations shall come to seek the Lord of hosts in Jerusalem and to entreat the favor of the Lord. Thus says the Lord of hosts: In those days ten men from the nations of every tongue shall take hold of the robe of a Jew, saying, ‘Let us go with you, for we have heard that God is with you.’”

Amos 9:11-12 ESV / 333 helpful votes​

“In that day I will raise up the booth of David that is fallen and repair its breaches, and raise up its ruins and rebuild it as in the days of old, that they may possess the remnant of Edom and all the nations who are called by my name,” declares the Lord who does this.

Matthew 5:3 ESV / 327 helpful votes​

“Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

Psalm 69:32 ESV / 327 helpful votes​

When the humble see it they will be glad; you who seek God, let your hearts revive.

Matthew 6:22-24 ESV / 326 helpful votes​

“The eye is the lamp of the body. So, if your eye is healthy, your whole body will be full of light, but if your eye is bad, your whole body will be full of darkness. If then the light in you is darkness, how great is the darkness! “No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

Deuteronomy 4:29-31 ESV / 325 helpful votes​

But from there you will seek the Lord your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul. When you are in tribulation, and all these things come upon you in the latter days, you will return to the Lord your God and obey his voice. For the Lord your God is a merciful God. He will not leave you or destroy you or forget the covenant with your fathers that he swore to them.

Isaiah 65:1 ESV / 323 helpful votes​

I was ready to be sought by those who did not ask for me; I was ready to be found by those who did not seek me. I said, “Here am I, here am I,” to a nation that was not called by my name.

Proverbs 28:5 ESV / 323 helpful votes​

Evil men do not understand justice, but those who seek the Lord understand it completely.

Amos 5:14 ESV / 320 helpful votes​

Seek good, and not evil, that you may live; and so the Lord, the God of hosts, will be with you, as you have said.

Hosea 5:13-15 ESV / 301 helpful votes​

When Ephraim saw his sickness, and Judah his wound, then Ephraim went to Assyria, and sent to the great king. But he is not able to cure you or heal your wound. For I will be like a lion to Ephraim, and like a young lion to the house of Judah. I, even I, will tear and go away; I will carry off, and no one shall rescue. I will return again to my place, until they acknowledge their guilt and seek my face, and in their distress earnestly seek me.

Hosea 3:4-5 ESV / 301 helpful votes​

For the children of Israel shall dwell many days without king or prince, without sacrifice or pillar, without ephod or household gods. Afterward the children of Israel shall return and seek the Lord their God, and David their king, and they shall come in fear to the Lord and to his goodness in the latter days.

Matthew 6:24 ESV / 297 helpful votes​

“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.

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Jeremiah 50:4 ESV / 295 helpful votes​

“In those days and in that time, declares the Lord, the people of Israel and the people of Judah shall come together, weeping as they come, and they shall seek the Lord their God.

Proverbs 18:22 ESV / 288 helpful votes​

He who finds a wife finds a good thing and obtains favor from the Lord.

2 Chronicles 15:1-2 ESV / 286 helpful votes​

The Spirit of God came upon Azariah the son of Oded, and he went out to meet Asa and said to him, “Hear me, Asa, and all Judah and Benjamin: The Lord is with you while you are with him. If you seek him, he will be found by you, but if you forsake him, he will forsake you.

Luke 21:36 ESV / 283 helpful votes​

But stay awake at all times, praying that you may have strength to escape all these things that are going to take place, and to stand before the Son of Man.”

Colossians 3:1-2 ESV / 281 helpful votes​

If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth.

1 John 1:9 ESV / 280 helpful votes​

If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.

1 Chronicles 22:17-19 ESV / 278 helpful votes​

David also commanded all the leaders of Israel to help Solomon his son, saying, “Is not the Lord your God with you? And has he not given you peace on every side? For he has delivered the inhabitants of the land into my hand, and the land is subdued before the Lord and his people. Now set your mind and heart to seek the Lord your God. Arise and build the sanctuary of the Lord God, so that the ark of the covenant of the Lord and the holy vessels of God may be brought into a house built for the name of the Lord.”

Colossians 3:17 ESV / 276 helpful votes​

And whatever you do, in word or deed, do everything in the name of the Lord Jesus, giving thanks to God the Father through him.

Matthew 6:10 ESV / 274 helpful votes​

Your kingdom come, your will be done, on earth as it is in heaven.

Deuteronomy 4:27-29 ESV / 272 helpful votes​

And the Lord will scatter you among the peoples, and you will be left few in number among the nations where the Lord will drive you. And there you will serve gods of wood and stone, the work of human hands, that neither see, nor hear, nor eat, nor smell. But from there you will seek the Lord your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul.

2 Chronicles 30:18-20 ESV / 271 helpful votes​

For a majority of the people, many of them from Ephraim, Manasseh, Issachar, and Zebulun, had not cleansed themselves, yet they ate the Passover otherwise than as prescribed. For Hezekiah had prayed for them, saying, “May the good Lord pardon everyone who sets his heart to seek God, the Lord, the God of his fathers, even though not according to the sanctuary's rules of cleanness.” And the Lord heard Hezekiah and healed the people.

Jeremiah 29:11 ESV / 270 helpful votes​

For I know the plans I have for you, declares the Lord, plans for welfare and not for evil, to give you a future and a hope.

Psalm 22:26 ESV / 270 helpful votes​

The afflicted shall eat and be satisfied; those who seek him shall praise the Lord! May your hearts live forever!

Isaiah 26:9 ESV / 268 helpful votes​

My soul yearns for you in the night; my spirit within me earnestly seeks you. For when your judgments are in the earth, the inhabitants of the world learn righteousness.

Deuteronomy 4:29-30 ESV / 265 helpful votes​

But from there you will seek the Lord your God and you will find him, if you search after him with all your heart and with all your soul. When you are in tribulation, and all these things come upon you in the latter days, you will return to the Lord your God and obey his voice.

Revelation 1:1-20 ESV / 258 helpful votes​

The revelation of Jesus Christ, which God gave him to show to his servants the things that must soon take place. He made it known by sending his angel to his servant John, who bore witness to the word of God and to the testimony of Jesus Christ, even to all that he saw. Blessed is the one who reads aloud the words of this prophecy, and blessed are those who hear, and who keep what is written in it, for the time is near. John to the seven churches that are in Asia: Grace to you and peace from him who is and who was and who is to come, and from the seven spirits who are before his throne, and from Jesus Christ the faithful witness, the firstborn of the dead, and the ruler of kings on earth. To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood ...

John 7:38 ESV / 258 helpful votes​

Whoever believes in me, as the Scripture has said, ‘Out of his heart will flow rivers of living water.’”

Malachi 3:1 ESV / 246 helpful votes​

“Behold, I send my messenger, and he will prepare the way before me. And the Lord whom you seek will suddenly come to his temple; and the messenger of the covenant in whom you delight, behold, he is coming, says the Lord of hosts.

Colossians 3:1-25 ESV / 236 helpful votes​

If then you have been raised with Christ, seek the things that are above, where Christ is, seated at the right hand of God. Set your minds on things that are above, not on things that are on earth. For you have died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. When Christ who is your life appears, then you also will appear with him in glory. Put to death therefore what is earthly in you: sexual immorality, impurity, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. ...

Romans 12:1 ESV / 234 helpful votes​

I appeal to you therefore, brothers, by the mercies of God, to present your bodies as a living sacrifice, holy and acceptable to God, which is your spiritual worship.

2 Chronicles 26:5 ESV / 231 helpful votes​

He set himself to seek God in the days of Zechariah, who instructed him in the fear of God, and as long as he sought the Lord, God made him prosper.

Amos 5:1-27 ESV / 226 helpful votes​

Hear this word that I take up over you in lamentation, O house of Israel: “Fallen, no more to rise, is the virgin Israel; forsaken on her land, with none to raise her up.” For thus says the Lord God: “The city that went out a thousand shall have a hundred left, and that which went out a hundred shall have ten left to the house of Israel.” For thus says the Lord to the house of Israel: “Seek me and live; but do not seek Bethel, and do not enter into Gilgal or cross over to Beersheba; for Gilgal shall surely go into exile, and Bethel shall come to nothing.” ...

Amos 5:4-15 ESV / 222 helpful votes​

For thus says the Lord to the house of Israel: “Seek me and live; but do not seek Bethel, and do not enter into Gilgal or cross over to Beersheba; for Gilgal shall surely go into exile, and Bethel shall come to nothing.” Seek the Lord and live, lest he break out like fire in the house of Joseph, and it devour, with none to quench it for Bethel, O you who turn justice to wormwood and cast down righteousness to the earth! He who made the Pleiades and Orion, and turns deep darkness into the morning and darkens the day into night, who calls for the waters of the sea and pours them out on the surface of the earth, the Lord is his name; ...

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[Seasoned by Grace]

He also spoke Hebrew...that was the religious language.

wondering my brother. We are certainly having fun, aren't we? I love this. .

If you study history, Jesus only read from the Talmud in Hebrew in the synagogues, he didn't speak it as a conversational language.
By the time Jesus was born, the Hebrew language was an obsolete language for 300 years thanks to Alexander the Great, 356BC - 323BC.
Alexander conquered much of the known world including Persia and Babalon, and took with him his favorite language, koine Greek, and forced all the countries to start speaking Greek, and thus God using Alexander, made it possible for the Gospel to be spread all over the world in the language God used to write the bible.
From that point on everyone could understand the good news of Jesus Christ, thanks to Alexander.

 

[GodsGrace]

wondering my brother. We are certainly having fun, aren't we? I love this. .

If you study history, Jesus only read from the Talmud in Hebrew in the synagogues, he didn't speak it as a conversational language.
By the time Jesus was born, the Hebrew language was an obsolete language for 300 years thanks to Alexander the Great, 356BC - 323BC.
Alexander conquered much of the known world including Persia and Babalon, and took with him his favorite language, koine Greek, and forced all the countries to start speaking Greek, and thus God using Alexander, made it possible for the Gospel to be spread all over the world in the language God used to write the bible.
From that point on everyone could understand the good news of Jesus Christ, thanks to Alexander.

I'm a sister.
What you post is true.
What I posted is true.
I did say that Hebrew was the religious language.
Check it out....jesus spoke Aramaic.

And how did you like that carpet bombing??
And you gonna reconcile the problems you created by making biblical conflicts?

This has been going on here lately.
I can if you can't....BTW.

See, you make the problem and poor me has to resolve it!


But for now.
Good Night.

 

[Seasoned by Grace]

See, you make the problem and poor me has to resolve it!

wondering
And I thought we were having fun and you go and spoil it by trying to make me feel guilty, but I don't do guilty, I just do fun and enjoy talking about the lord with people, even if they are WRONG and a GIRL.
It's OK with me if you're wrong. I won't hold it against you.

 

[JLB]

1. Jesus must have been confused because in the following verse He says the opposite:
John 12:32
32“And I, if I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself.”

Please reconcile this for me since you have the meat....
Please answer this question regarding John 6:44:

Who does the Father draw to Himself?

All men.

However being “drawn” to Jesus does not equal salvation.

We are empowered to repent and believe, but the choice is up to each person.




JLB

 

[PeterJens]

I know what you mean.

I won't go back and read my post again...I'm 99.9% sure I said what I wanted it to say.

We are born tainted with sin.

We are NOT born TOTALLY DEPRAVED.

This is a definition of mankind that is found only in calvinist circles.
It means what I described in the other post.

Man has the capacity to seek God.
In the doctrine of TOTAL DEPRAVITY man does NOT have the capacity to seek God.

Read Romans 3:9-12 again

Being unrighteous
Not understanding
Not seeking God
Turning away from Him
Being worthless
Not doing good

Does not mean one is depraved...let alone TOTALLY DEPRAVED.
(totally meaning every part of the human soul)

Definition of depraved​

: marked by corruption or evil
a depraved attack

especially : PERVERTED
the work of depraved minds

And, let's say here that Romans is hyperbole.
(for obvious reasons)

Hi wondering,

In the generosity of my heart I believe the emphasis some use is right, but their expression goes too far. Part of self realisation is to see we could do any of the most depraved acts man has ever done. It is because it is like boiling a frog, one small step at a time.

Subjective self justification hardens the heart, and blinds to the soul what it has become. The deeper in the more dead one is and the more blind. Some would call this potential total depravity.

I have mentioned before, that to empathise we feel the emotions of another, and let it affect us. It is how we know what is going on in another. Feeling the emotions, having emotions we do not understand can be disturbing. Do these emotions define us or are the just part of the way we connect with the world around us? Once you realise emotions are messengers of paths one is treading and could follow, which gives a choice. Sow to the flesh and indulgence or walk the path of life.

To be alive is to feel the situation around us, and still keep ourselves focused. Group pressure is a very strong affect. It can be shown if the group believe something, then we will tend to just agree even if we actually do not. In this crazy mixture of behaviours and feelings it is the Holy Spirit teaching us the straight path, to let the feelings wash over us and move on.

Take for instance an intimate encounter. Chemistry can be very strong, and both parties could get involved. But when you know it is just chemistry, and the other individual is actually someone you could never get on with, let alone have a long term relationship with, the chemistry goes away. Taken even further, Saul was in a cave with David, and he could have killed him, but he spared him because it was Gods to give, and not his to take.

Jesus talked of understanding the higher road, faithfulness, loyalty, context. Jesus is first then everything else. It can seem hard, yet the emotions seem very powerful to escape into, but they are like dreams, illusions and mirages.

True righteousness and love, is seeing this, and walking on with Jesus. One could have the company of fools and hired friends, but just one day with faithful folk who speak and live the truth is worth so much more.

For some the knowledge of their feelings is their impurity, rather than their choice and walk in the righteousness of Christ. One can be in a crowd and totally lonely, or alone and in complete rapture with love and life and those you know and can share with.

God bless you

 

[GodsGrace]

Hi wondering,

In the generosity of my heart I believe the emphasis some use is right, but their expression goes too far. Part of self realisation is to see we could do any of the most depraved acts man has ever done. It is because it is like boiling a frog, one small step at a time.

Subjective self justification hardens the heart, and blinds to the soul what it has become. The deeper in the more dead one is and the more blind. Some would call this potential total depravity.

I have mentioned before, that to empathise we feel the emotions of another, and let it affect us. It is how we know what is going on in another. Feeling the emotions, having emotions we do not understand can be disturbing. Do these emotions define us or are the just part of the way we connect with the world around us? Once you realise emotions are messengers of paths one is treading and could follow, which gives a choice. Sow to the flesh and indulgence or walk the path of life.

To be alive is to feel the situation around us, and still keep ourselves focused. Group pressure is a very strong affect. It can be shown if the group believe something, then we will tend to just agree even if we actually do not. In this crazy mixture of behaviours and feelings it is the Holy Spirit teaching us the straight path, to let the feelings wash over us and move on.

Take for instance an intimate encounter. Chemistry can be very strong, and both parties could get involved. But when you know it is just chemistry, and the other individual is actually someone you could never get on with, let alone have a long term relationship with, the chemistry goes away. Taken even further, Saul was in a cave with David, and he could have killed him, but he spared him because it was Gods to give, and not his to take.

Jesus talked of understanding the higher road, faithfulness, loyalty, context. Jesus is first then everything else. It can seem hard, yet the emotions seem very powerful to escape into, but they are like dreams, illusions and mirages.

True righteousness and love, is seeing this, and walking on with Jesus. One could have the company of fools and hired friends, but just one day with faithful folk who speak and live the truth is worth so much more.

For some the knowledge of their feelings is their impurity, rather than their choice and walk in the righteousness of Christ. One can be in a crowd and totally lonely, or alone and in complete rapture with love and life and those you know and can share with.

God bless you

Of course I agree with all.
I thought about loneliness some time ago.
I've never really felt lonely.....
I decided why people feel lonely...
maybe it's not so much that no one loves...
maybe it's because they don't love anyone?

 

[GodsGrace]

All men.

However being “drawn” to Jesus does not equal salvation.

We are empowered to repent and believe, but the choice is up to each person.




JLB

Agreed.
The reason I brought up John 12:32 is because Seasoned by Grace brought up John 6:44.
These two verses seem to be in direct opposition to each other.
There seems to be a conflict here.

Since the other member feels I still have too much study to do, I asked that HE reconcile the two verses
since there can be no conflict in the N.T.

 

[GodsGrace]

wondering
And I thought we were having fun and you go and spoil it by trying to make me feel guilty, but I don't do guilty, I just do fun and enjoy talking about the lord with people, even if they are WRONG and a GIRL.
It's OK with me if you're wrong. I won't hold it against you.

What am I wrong about?
Don't you know that I'm never wrong?
You better learn this before you get married:
Girls are never wrong.

OK. So let's get back to what we were discussing.
Use Greek or English or whatever language you wish to use...
however,,,you're going to have to explain an apparent conflict in the N.T.

John 6:44 which YOU posted
"No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him...."

John 12:32
"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."


Jesus said both statements.
So who does the drawing...Father or Son?
Is this a conflict?

 

[GodsGrace]

Of course I agree with all.
I thought about loneliness some time ago.
I've never really felt lonely.....
I decided why people feel lonely...
maybe it's not so much that no one loves...
maybe it's because they don't love anyone?

PeterJens
Ooops.
It should read:
maybe it's not so much that no one loves THEM...

 

[Seasoned by Grace]

wondering
Hey, lassy.

Don't you know that I'm never wrong?

You better learn this before you get married.

Girls are never wrong.

I don't see any conflict.

Is this a conflict?

1 Corinthians 14:33​

"for God is not a God of confusion, but of order."

Proverbs 30:5​

"Every word of God proves true"

The word of God is perfect

Psalm 119:160​

The sum of your word is truth,

John 17:17​

Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth

Proverbs 30:5​

Every word of God proves true;

When I hear these conflicting questions about God making conflicting statements, it seems to be because of one of 2 things.
Either the person is arrogant and egotistical, NOT YOU, and thinks he knows more than God, or, they haven't learned they haven't studied the topic enough to find unity and harmony in the topic.

Every Christian, at the beginning of their faith, needs to be taught that God is perfect and NEVER CONTRADICTS Himself - EVER.
Otherwise, how does a Christian ever find confidence and trust in GOD?
When we question God, we call Him a LIAR, and say that the truth is not in Him.

Jesus said both statements.
So who does the drawing...Father or Son?
Is this a conflict?

There are no conflicts wondering, what your searching in just needs to be studied more by you to find unity and harmony.

God bless you sister
Seasoned by Grace

 

[Fastfredy0]

When I hear these conflicting questions about God making conflicting statements, it seems to be because of one of 2 things.
Either the person is arrogant and egotistical, NOT YOU, and thinks he knows more than God, or, they haven't learned they haven't studied the topic enough to find unity and harmony in the topic.

Agreed .... add to the list: What you want to believe you tend to believe and you tend to look for excuses to believe it. - Ben Shapiro
My reason is my ultimate authority because it seems reasonable to me to make it so

There are no conflicts @wondering, what your searching in just needs to be studied more by you to find unity and harmony.

Agreed.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Agreed .... add to the list: What you want to believe you tend to believe and you tend to look for excuses to believe it. - Ben Shapiro
My reason is my ultimate authority because it seems reasonable to me to make it so



Agreed.

False
Christianity is without reason.
You are simply obedient regardless.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

wondering
Hey, lassy.











I don't see any conflict.

1 Corinthians 14:33​

"for God is not a God of confusion, but of order."

Proverbs 30:5​

"Every word of God proves true"

The word of God is perfect

Psalm 119:160​

The sum of your word is truth,

John 17:17​

Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth

Proverbs 30:5​

Every word of God proves true;

When I hear these conflicting questions about God making conflicting statements, it seems to be because of one of 2 things.
Either the person is arrogant and egotistical, NOT YOU, and thinks he knows more than God, or, they haven't learned they haven't studied the topic enough to find unity and harmony in the topic.

Every Christian, at the beginning of their faith, needs to be taught that God is perfect and NEVER CONTRADICTS Himself - EVER.
Otherwise, how does a Christian ever find confidence and trust in GOD?
When we question God, we call Him a LIAR, and say that the truth is not in Him.

There are no conflicts wondering, what your searching in just needs to be studied more by you to find unity and harmony.

God bless you sister
Seasoned by Grace

Women are subject to the authority of man.
Now that's in the Bible.

 

[GodsGrace]

wondering
Hey, lassy.











I don't see any conflict.

1 Corinthians 14:33​

"for God is not a God of confusion, but of order."

Proverbs 30:5​

"Every word of God proves true"

The word of God is perfect

Psalm 119:160​

The sum of your word is truth,

John 17:17​

Sanctify them in the truth; your word is truth

Proverbs 30:5​

Every word of God proves true;

When I hear these conflicting questions about God making conflicting statements, it seems to be because of one of 2 things.
Either the person is arrogant and egotistical, NOT YOU, and thinks he knows more than God, or, they haven't learned they haven't studied the topic enough to find unity and harmony in the topic.

Every Christian, at the beginning of their faith, needs to be taught that God is perfect and NEVER CONTRADICTS Himself - EVER.
Otherwise, how does a Christian ever find confidence and trust in GOD?
When we question God, we call Him a LIAR, and say that the truth is not in Him.

There are no conflicts wondering, what your searching in just needs to be studied more by you to find unity and harmony.

God bless you sister
Seasoned by Grace

OK smarty....

Here's the story:

YOU said Jesus gets those that the Father draws to Him...or gives Him.
I replied that Jesus said HE will draw all to Himself.

This is a conflict.
But, as there can be no conflict in the N.T.,,,,
there must surely be an answer.

John 6:44 which YOU posted
"No one can come to Me, unless the Father who sent Me draws him...."

John 12:32
"And I, if I be lifted up from the earth, will draw all men to Myself."


The big question is: WHO does the Father draw???
JLB answered this for you (us)....
God draws ALL MEN to Himself.
And He's been doing this since the dawn of time...
I refer you to Romans 1:19-20.

God reveals Himself to a man...somehow, it doesn't matter how.
That man has the opportunity to reply to God with a YES or with a NO.
So God has drawn that person...and the person decides what his answer will be.
This will refer to John 6:44

John 12:32 is ALSO correct!
Why? Because when a person hears of the great love Jesus has for us and the great sacrifice He made for us...
Not only the cross,,,but consider that He left heaven to become one of us....have you ever pondered this?

Jesus became as a lowly man....
so that a lowly man could become as Jesus.

So, yes, Jesus will draw all who hear about Him to Himself.
Even those that do not believe consider Him to be a great person.
He split time in half....Before His birth and After His birth.
But, again, it's up to the individual to say YES to Him.

And that, Mr. Seasoned by Grace, is the answer to the conflict.

 

[GodsGrace]

Women are subject to the authority of man.
Now that's in the Bible.

Oh yeah?
Who's holding the pin?