Is the Ten Commandment Abolished?

[Strangelove]

Yup. I agree with most people here. And I'm glad that the majority understand and are firm in their belief that all we need to do is follow Jesus' 2 commandments.

I would go as far as to say that the Gospels are all you need for your salvation.

(I've read parts of the OT and reference it often but the old laws held within it are of no consequence for us Christians)

 

[chakham]

Messiah said He did not come here to abolish the law but to fulfill it. So what does that statement prove? #1: He did not come to abolish law #2: He came to fulfill it, which says to us an innocent lamb was nailed to the cross.


Nothing in scripture says the law is abolished or gotten rid of or done away with in fact it is quite the contrary. He later said later that if you love me then do my commandments.

 

[PouringRain]

I think one can fall into sin and break the divine law and still be considered one who loves God

Of course. Man is not perfect. A man can slip into sin while still loving God. The man who lives in sin, willful sin, I would argue that man does not even if he claims he does. A man can not serve two masters.

By abolishing the law - christians have not made what was once forbidden ok, they have just abolished the law - like if the US made drugs legal, this would not lessen the detrimental effects of drugs - The laws sent by God to varrious nations were put inplace for our worldly benefit - as well as to demonstrate our submission to our Creator.

I made a good post on another forum about the law that you might be interested in reading. I'll PM you a link.

 

[Ashua]

None of the commandments are abolished. The Word of God says that they are eternal statutes.
Christ said that not one yod or tittle shall in any wise pass from the Law till Heaven and Earth pass away.
He also said, that if you "love me, you will keep my commandments"
David said that the Law of God is spiritual, converting the soul.
Paul said in Romans "What then? Should we make void the Law through faith? God forbid! We establish the Law."

Christ summarized every one of the commandments in this: that you shall love the LORD thy God with all thy heart and soul and might. (If you do, then you will not transgress his word)
and that you shall love your neighbor as yourself. (If you do, you would not sin against him either)

The fullness of the commandments are exercised if you can accomplish the two greatest commandments.

So what is abolished? The penalty of the Law. Not the Law itself. Moses' Law says that God lays before us this day life and death, blessings and cursings; therefore choose life.

In Christ we choose life. Christ took away the curse of the law and the second death which comes by it: All that remains are blessings and life for those who love him.

We should not grieve the Holy Spirit by sinning "because we THINK we can."

As it is written: Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

John defined sin as this: "Sin is the transgression of the Law (commandments of God)

If there are no commandments, then there is no such thing as sin. We know that sin prevails in this age; therefore the commandments arc off of sin as natural light in darkness.

 

[Strangelove]

So what is abolished? The penalty of the Law. Not the Law itself.

The written OT law is gone forever.

Christians dont even need to know what the ten commandments are!

We have Jesus Christ now.

 

[jasoncran]

The written OT law is gone forever.

Christians dont even need to know what the ten commandments are!

We have Jesus Christ now.

how can paul use the law agaisnt the homosexuals and others sin listed in the nt book romans 1 if we dont need to know the ot? paul a jew and the minister to the jew wouldnt make that mistake.

the law serves a purpose for both jew and gentile, for the jew its to point out that he cant be good enough, and the gentile what the standard was for the jew and that he the gentile follows that he cant make it either. both must then look to the cross.

 

[Strangelove]

how can paul use the law agaisnt the homosexuals and others sin listed in the nt book romans 1 if we dont need to know the ot? paul a jew and the minister to the jew wouldnt make that mistake.

The whole law is covered by Jesus' two commandments.

I've never read the OT ten commandments. Am I not Christian? Am I not saved through faith in Jesus alone?

the law serves a purpose for both jew and gentile, for the jew its to point out that he cant be good enough, and the gentile what the standard was for the jew and that he the gentile follows that he cant make it either. both must then look to the cross.

It SERVED a purpose. PAST tense. To show that we cant keep the law. That we need a saviour. Now we have Him. And a new Covenant. Its really astonishing how so many people are mixed up about this.

 

[jasoncran]

then should we just not read the ot and remove it then, and uh the law does serve a purpose

ok i will digreess.

where in the ten commandements is the acts of these called sin
beastillity
incest
and also homosexuality
and lets see rape.

God didbt write books so that YOU wouldnt need them.

they are there even if historically, you ought to read them, after all are we not debating the isreali propechies which are in the ot not nt!

and much of this end times is all over the bible not just the gospels and revalation!

 

[jasoncran]

well then, so i will sound like a catholic then when i say this
if its solo fide then why even obey the lord? after all the ten commandments have the first two. so when we repent we dont need to change our ways? or is it just pray a little prayer and then go back to sin , what is it.

 

[Theofilus]

The written OT law is gone forever.

As has already been pointed out, God said that many of the commandments in the Old Testament are eternal or everlasting statutes that are to be kept forever. Here is one example:

So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast to the LORD throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance. (Ex. 12:14)​

God says that Passover is an everlasting ordinance. You say it's not. Which of you should I believe?

 

[Theofilus]

GeorgeRollins,

re: “The ‘Sabbath’ is a ‘Saturday...â€

Except in much of Europe where the seventh day of the week is labeled “Sunday†on their calendars.

God doesn't change His laws just becaue our calendars are wrong.

 

[Strangelove]

then should we just not read the ot and remove it then,

Christians dont need to read the OT. It's not critical. It's handy to reference. Its a very interesting read. It's a great historical document. It details creation which is nice. And we know its all truth because its the Word of God! Yay! We have no interest in the written laws present there. It doesn't concern us in the slightest. We have Christs words now. Thats all we need.

and uh the law does serve a purpose

ok i will digreess.

where in the ten commandements is the acts of these called sin
beastillity
incest
and also homosexuality
and lets see rape.

I have no idea. I've never read the ten commandments, Why dont you tell me...your the expert//// I dont even know what your getting at:

and much of this end times is all over the bible not just the gospels and revalation!

Like I say they are very useful for referencing.

 

[Strangelove]

well then, so i will sound like a catholic then when i say this?
if its solo fide then why even obey the lord? after all the ten commandments have the first two. so when we repent we dont need to change our ways? or is it just pray a little prayer and then go back to sin , what is it.

What is it? Huh?

ITS FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST!

And obeying is two commandments. Why are you trying to melt Christianity into Judaism??

 

[Strangelove]

As has already been pointed out, God said that many of the commandments in the Old Testament are eternal or everlasting statutes that are to be kept forever. Here is one example:

So this day shall be to you a memorial; and you shall keep it as a feast to the LORD throughout your generations. You shall keep it as a feast by an everlasting ordinance. (Ex. 12:14)
​

God says that Passover is an everlasting ordinance. You say it's not. Which of you should I believe?

Ya....told to the ISREREALITES in Exodus. Bound by the OLD covenant. All bets are off now. We have Christ. We dont obey old law. Are you Jewish or Christian??

 

[Ashua]

The whole law is covered by Jesus' two commandments.

I've never read the OT ten commandments. Am I not Christian? Am I not saved through faith in Jesus alone?



It SERVED a purpose. PAST tense. To show that we cant keep the law. That we need a saviour. Now we have Him. And a new Covenant. Its really astonishing how so many people are mixed up about this.

OLD TESTAMENT SAYS:

And thou shalt love the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy might. -Deuteronomy 6:5

JESUS SAYS

Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind -Matthew 22:37

OLD TESTAMENT SAYS
'You shall not take vengeance, nor bear any grudge against the sons of your people, but you shall love your neighbor as yourself; I am the LORD. -Leviticus 19:18

JESUS SAYS

And the second is like, namely this, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these. -Mark 12:31


You're right though. We do have a New Covenant. But what is the New Covenant?

Jeremiah 31

31Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah:

32Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

34And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

The LAW of God will be written on the HEARTS of his people.

Not the LAW of God will be destroyed.

"For as many as have sinned without law will also perish without law, and as many as have sinned in the law will be judged by the law (for not the hearers of the law are just in the sight of God, but the doers of the law will be justified; for when Gentiles, who do not have the law, by nature do the things contained in the law, these, although not having the law, are a law to themselves, who show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience also bearing witness, and between themselves their thoughts accusing or else excusing them) in the day when God will judge the secrets of men by Jesus Christ, according to my gospel." Romans 2 12-16

What did Jesus say? Matthew 5:17-19

Think not that I am come to destroy the law, or the prophets: I am not come to destroy, but to fulfil.

For verily I say unto you, Till heaven and earth pass, one jot or one tittle shall in no wise pass from the law, till all be fulfilled.

Whosoever therefore shall break one of these least commandments, and shall teach men so, he shall be called the least in the kingdom of heaven: but whosoever shall do and teach [them], the same shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

If ye love me, keep my commandments. John 14:15

For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous. -1 John 5:3

Many will say to Me in that day, "Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?" And then I will declare to them, "I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!"

So many will profess his name but will be rejected-- they are workers of iniquity.

Enter through the narrow gate. For wide is the gate and broad is the road that leads to destruction, and many enter through it. But small is the gate and narrow the road that leads to life, and only a few find it

For the time will come when they will not endure sound doctrine; but after their own lusts shall they heap to themselves teachers, having itching ears; 4 And they shall turn away their ears from the truth, and shall be turned unto fables. 2Ti 4:3,4

Revelation says:

Here is the patience of the saints: here are they that keep the commandments of God, and the faith of Jesus.
And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Rev: 12:17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me write: Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: yeah saith the spirit that they may rest from their labours and their works do follow them.

Romans 3: Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Paul himself did keep the Law in Acts it is written:

Them take, and purify thyself with them, and be at charges with them, that they may shave [their] heads: and all may know that those things, whereof they were informed concerning thee, are nothing; but [that] thou thyself also walkest orderly, and keepest the law.

Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?

Sinning despite grace grieves the Holy Spirit. Grieving the Holy Spirit is not loving God with all your heart soul and might. If you are guilty of this, you fail the first and greatest commandment and how will you ever escape judgment? You have treated the Blood of the Covenant as if it were nothing.

And unto the angel of the church of the Laodiceans write; These things saith the Amen, the faithful and true witness, the beginning of the creation of God;

I know thy works, that thou art neither cold nor hot: I would thou wert cold or hot.

So then because thou art lukewarm, and neither cold nor hot, I will spue thee out of my mouth.

But the fearful, and unbelieving, and the abominable, and murderers, and whoremongers, and sorcerers, and idolaters, and all liars, shall have their part in the lake which burneth with fire and brimstone: which is the second death.


Blessed are they that do his commandments, that they may have right to the tree of life, and may enter in through the gates into the city.
For without are dogs, and sorcerers, and whoremongers, and murderers, and idolaters, and whosoever loveth and maketh a lie.

This could go on forever. Please read this and give it serious thought before you continue in the error that commandment keeping is vain.

My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge: because thou hast rejected knowledge, I will also reject thee, that thou shalt be no priest to me: seeing thou hast forgotten the law of thy God, I will also forget thy children.
Hosea 4:6

 

[Theofilus]

Ya....told to the ISREREALITES in Exodus. Bound by the OLD covenant. All bets are off now. We have Christ. We dont obey old law. Are you Jewish or Christian??

You didn't answer my question. God said that His commandments are eternal. That means that they were never to be abolished. By contradicting this, you are saying that God is a liar. Do you really expect us to believe you rather than the Bible?

 

[jasoncran]

/,hbvcfd`

What is it? Huh?

ITS FAITH IN JESUS CHRIST!

And obeying is two commandments. Why are you trying to melt Christianity into Judaism??

so wait according to you i dont have to change then. I CAN sin all i want just pray and make it to HEAVEN. i stopped looking at porn and being bi for nothing, man i really loved the former sin.

i guess my changing my heart when i prayed and actually stopping these things isnt required then so i guess i will come back to porn, after all didnt God say Go and sin no more?

but according to you we dont need to what is sin and what isnt.

the standard by what we live by is the ot. not the power, the power is the blood and the standard is the ten commandments, if we have christ in our hearts we will be found obeying the law.

but not accoriding to you.

 

[walter]

This is what Jesus says about this debate.

Matthew 22:34-40 “But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great Commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.â€

Jesus didn't do away with the law. He fulfilled the law.

Elementary stuff for mature christians to be arguing about, don't you think?

 

[jasoncran]

This is what Jesus says about this debate.

Matthew 22:34-40 “But when the Pharisees had heard that he had put the Sadducees to silence, they were gathered together. 35 Then one of them, which was a lawyer, asked him a question, tempting him, and saying, 36 Master, which is the great Commandment in the law? 37 Jesus said unto him, You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all your soul, and with all your mind. 38 This is the first and great commandment. 39 And the second is like unto it, You shall love your neighbour as thyself. 40 On these two commandments hang ALL the law and the prophets.â€

Jesus didn't do away with the law. He fulfilled the law.

Elementary stuff for mature christians to be arguing about, don't you think?

i dont think some here (myself at times) are all that mature. fyi most of these debates arent on the real meaty stuff in the bible but basics

such as:
who's jesus
eternal security
then ot law

 

[walter]

i dont think some here (myself at times) are all that mature. fyi most of these debates arent on the real meaty stuff in the bible but basics

such as:
who's jesus
eternal security
then ot law

touche'

Lol, thanks buddy!