Is the Ten Commandment Abolished?

[Ashua]

1 O foolish Galatians, who hath bewitched you, that ye should not obey the truth, before whose eyes Jesus Christ hath been evidently set forth, crucified among you?

2This only would I learn of you, Received ye the Spirit by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

3Are ye so foolish? having begun in the Spirit, are ye now made perfect by the flesh?

4Have ye suffered so many things in vain? if it be yet in vain.

5He therefore that ministereth to you the Spirit, and worketh miracles among you, doeth he it by the works of the law, or by the hearing of faith?

6Even as Abraham believed God, and it was accounted to him for righteousness.

7Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

8And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

9So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

10For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse: for it is written, Cursed is every one that continueth not in all things which are written in the book of the law to do them.

11But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.

12And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

13Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:

14That the blessing of Abraham might come on the Gentiles through Jesus Christ; that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

15Brethren, I speak after the manner of men; Though it be but a man's covenant, yet if it be confirmed, no man disannulleth, or addeth thereto.

16Now to Abraham and his seed were the promises made. He saith not, And to seeds, as of many; but as of one, And to thy seed, which is Christ.

17And this I say, that the covenant, that was confirmed before of God in Christ, the law, which was four hundred and thirty years after, cannot disannul, that it should make the promise of none effect.

18For if the inheritance be of the law, it is no more of promise: but God gave it to Abraham by promise.

19Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions, till the seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was ordained by angels in the hand of a mediator.

20Now a mediator is not a mediator of one, but God is one.

21Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

22But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.

23But before faith came, we were kept under the law, shut up unto the faith which should afterwards be revealed.

24Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us unto Christ, that we might be justified by faith.

25But after that faith is come, we are no longer under a schoolmaster.

26For ye are all the children of God by faith in Christ Jesus.

27For as many of you as have been baptized into Christ have put on Christ.

28There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

29And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise.

If you look at what Paul argues, he says that the Law came 430 years AFTER the promise, so that the LAW cannot OVERRIDE the promise to Abraham by faith. God also says in the Torah that his statute is eternal. How can this be?

Because the role of the LAW is not unto salvation --that doesn't mean that the LAW has NO purpose. The role of the Law is not to salvation, but in the working of righteousness. Our righteousness will never be true righteousness; that is the righteousness which is attained through Christ, but we are to be conformed to the likeness of Christ who obeyed the commandments. Keeping the commandments does not save you, but is a testimony bearing fruit -- an evidence or byproduct of those who truly have the faith of Christ.

You do not keep the commandments for any other reason but because it is in your heart to please God by choosing the things which please him. As it is written:

I beseech you therefore, brethren, by the mercies of God, that you present your bodies a living sacrifice, holy, acceptable to God, which is your reasonable service. And do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewing of your mind, that you may prove what is that good and acceptable and perfect will of God.

Our bodies are the temples of God. Do not commit sacrilege.

We are dead to sin. It is time to put off the old man. If the Holy Spirit dwells within us, we do the will of God. Name one commandment that is against the will of God. Why then do you reject them? As Paul says:

What shall we say then? [Is] the law sin? God forbid. Nay, I had not known sin, but by the law: for I had not known lust, except the law had said, Thou shalt not covet
But sin, taking occasion by the commandment, wrought in me all manner of concupiscence. For without the law sin [was] dead.
For I was alive without the law once: but when the commandment came, sin revived, and I died.
And the commandment, which [was ordained] to life, I found [to be] unto death.
For sin, taking occasion by the commandment, deceived me, and by it slew [me].
Wherefore the law [is] holy, and the commandment holy, and just, and good.
Was then that which is good made death unto me? God forbid. But sin, that it might appear sin, working death in me by that which is good; that sin by the commandment might become exceeding sinful.
For we know that the law is spiritual: but I am carnal, sold under sin.
or that which I do I allow not: for what I would, that do I not; but what I hate, that do I.
If then I do that which I would not, I consent unto the law that it is good.
Now then it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me.
For I know that in me (that is, in my flesh,) dwelleth no good thing: for to will is present with me; but how to perform that which is good I find not.
For the good that I would I do not: but the evil which I would not, that I do.
Now if I do that I would not, it is no more I that do it, but sin that dwelleth in me
I find then a law, that, when I would do good, evil is present with me.
For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.
O wretched man that I am! who shall deliver me from the body of this death?
I thank God through Jesus Christ our Lord. So then with the mind I myself serve the law of God; but with the flesh the law of sin.

If there remains no more commandments, then there is no need for Christ as sin does not take occasion to exist except a commandment defines it. The commandments are required. Where we fail in our flesh, Christ holds us up:

Though he fall, he shall not be utterly cast down: for the LORD upholdeth [him with] his hand. Psalm 37:24


Sin is not imputed on us because of Christ, but we still ought to live according to the will of God as Christ did.

For until the law sin was in the world: but sin is not imputed when there is no law.

14Nevertheless death reigned from Adam to Moses, even over them that had not sinned after the similitude of Adam's transgression, who is the figure of him that was to come.

15But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

16And not as it was by one that sinned, so is the gift: for the judgment was by one to condemnation, but the free gift is of many offences unto justification.

17For if by one man's offence death reigned by one; much more they which receive abundance of grace and of the gift of righteousness shall reign in life by one, Jesus Christ.)

 

[Strangelove]

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so wait according to you i dont have to change then. I CAN sin all i want just pray and make it to HEAVEN. i stopped looking at porn and being bi for nothing, man i really loved the former sin.

i guess my changing my heart when i prayed and actually stopping these things isnt required then so i guess i will come back to porn, after all didnt God say Go and sin no more?

but according to you we dont need to what is sin and what isnt.

the standard by what we live by is the ot. not the power, the power is the blood and the standard is the ten commandments, if we have christ in our hearts we will be found obeying the law.

but not accoriding to you.

Faith in Jesus Christ + Repentance of Sins + Babtism in the Holy Spirit + Following Jesus' 2 commandments.

Are you somehow in conflict with this approach to Christianity??

 

[jasoncran]

what is the definition of sin, if one isnt taught?

if we ignore ie never read the ot and to find out how can we know?
paul does say but he refers alot to the ot to get them?

those things listed in the book galatians are found also in ot all over the place in divers parts

the nt is the ot repeated!

i hope that you will see that.

i knew what you meant and one doesnt need baptism for salvation btw.

 

[Ashua]

Faith in Jesus Christ + Repentance of Sins + Babtism in the Holy Spirit + Following Jesus' 2 commandments.

Are you somehow in conflict with this approach to Christianity??

What does it mean to follow Jesus' two commandments? Is it an emotional thing or was Jesus actually summarizing every commandment in those two? If you love God you wont blaspheme and you wont worship idols and you wont break his covenant.

If you love your neighbor you wont murder or steal or lie or covet or commit adultery and so on.

Also, These two commandments are found in Deuteronomy and Leviticus.

Jesus was only quoting them. Nothing "new."

 

[jasoncran]

What does it mean to follow Jesus' two commandments? Is it an emotional thing or was Jesus actually summarizing every commandment in those two? If you love God you wont blaspheme and you wont worship idols and you wont break his covenant.

If you love your neighbor you wont murder or steal or lie or covet or commit adultery and so on.

Also, These two commandments are found in Deuteronomy and Leviticus.

Jesus was only quoting them. Nothing "new."

nothing the nt is actually new ,its a expounding of the ot. both testaments point to the cross, the ot forwards and the nt backwards.

 

[Strangelove]

what is the definition of sin, if one isnt taught?

if we ignore ie never read the ot and to find out how can we know?
paul does say but he refers alot to the ot to get them?

those things listed in the book galatians are found also in ot all over the place in divers parts

the nt is the ot repeated!

i hope that you will see that.

i knew what you meant and one doesnt need baptism for salvation btw.

Did you know what love is or did you need to be taught??

Do my children know that I love them or do they need to read a book about it to understand?

 

[Strangelove]

What does it mean to follow Jesus' two commandments? Is it an emotional thing or was Jesus actually summarizing every commandment in those two?

It's an emotional thing. It's called love. You might have felt it yourself if you were lucky.

 

[jasoncran]

being a former bisexual yes, as i didnt know what love is.(eros and phileo and storge)
and also as a former thief yes.

I learned from men and women that lived the bible out. EXAMPLE is the best way. they had to be taught.

so we shouldnt read the bible in public worship and in private?

 

[jasoncran]

It's an emotional thing. It's called love. You might have felt it yourself if you were lucky.

are you married? love is an act not always an emotion.

uh by that thinking one could say that the sinner who does no wrong and simply loves his neighbor would make it to heaven as they dont steal and lie and so on.

 

[Ashua]

nothing the nt is actually new ,its a expounding of the ot. both testaments point to the cross, the ot forwards and the nt backwards.

With the exception of the narratives you are exactly right. Its all exogesis of Paul and quoting. Even Revelation isnt entirely original. Ezekiel and other prophets touched on it, although Revelation is a unique version given to John and reveals even more.

 

[Ashua]

being a former bisexual yes, as i didnt know what love is.(eros and phileo and storge)
and also as a former thief yes.

I learned from men and women that lived the bible out. EXAMPLE is the best way. they had to be taught.

so we shouldnt read the bible in public worship and in private?

once again, Jason you are right. The Hebrew concept of "love" is not the same as modern English. Context changes everything. The Greeks, as you listed had I believe four words to describe four kinds or degrees of love.

The Love of God is agape love. It goes far beyond emotional love. It is sacrificial love. sacrifice is action. What does it mean to repent?

6This they said, tempting him, that they might have to accuse him. But Jesus stooped down, and with his finger wrote on the ground, as though he heard them not.

7So when they continued asking him, he lifted up himself, and said unto them, He that is without sin among you, let him first cast a stone at her.

8And again he stooped down, and wrote on the ground.

9And they which heard it, being convicted by their own conscience, went out one by one, beginning at the eldest, even unto the last: and Jesus was left alone, and the woman standing in the midst.

10When Jesus had lifted up himself, and saw none but the woman, he said unto her, Woman, where are those thine accusers? hath no man condemned thee?

11She said, No man, Lord. And Jesus said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.

Notice how he didn't say "Neither do I condemn thee: For I will go up and die for your sins. Go, therefore and do as ye like. Ye now have liberty from the Holy commandment.

 

[Strangelove]

being a former bisexual yes, as i didnt know what love is.(eros and phileo and storge)
and also as a former thief yes.

I learned from men and women that lived the bible out. EXAMPLE is the best way. they had to be taught.

so we shouldnt read the bible in public worship and in private?

Did you know when you were a child that your parents loved you? Or am I tempting fate again?

 

[Theofilus]

It's an emotional thing. It's called love. You might have felt it yourself if you were lucky.

The Old Testament says:

Thou shalt not commit adultery. (Exodus 20:14)​

Since the Old Testament law has been done away with and loving your neighbor is a purly emotional thing, is it ok to commit adultery as long as we have the right emotions while we do it?

 

[Strangelove]

are you married? love is an act not always an emotion.

uh by that thinking one could say that the sinner who does no wrong and simply loves his neighbor would make it to heaven as they dont steal and lie and so on.

Yes I'm married. Love is always an emotion. Sex is an act.

I'll edit your statement above:::

uh by that thinking one could say that the sinner who does no wrong and simply loves his neighbor and God would make it to heaven as they dont steal and lie and so on.

Yes correct.

 

[Strangelove]

The Old Testament says:

Thou shalt not commit adultery. (Exodus 20:14)
​

Since the Old Testament law has been done away with and loving your neighbor is a purly emotional thing, is it ok to commit adultery as long as we have the right emotions while we do it?

No because that would be breaking the love you have for your wife. Simple.

By cheating on her you are making a mockery of your love for her. You are cheating on love. You are breaking Jesus' commandment to love others. Your also showing the opposite of love to the spouse of the person your cheating with. Thats the rule broken again. Your also not loving your children by making a mockery of the love of your family unit. No love for others again. Also your not loving God. Becasue you know God wants you to love others and so you've broken the first law and the second.

This isn't rocket science folks. Jesus has us covered against any sin. Go ahead gimme another sin. give me any OT law and I'll break it down to love.

 

[Ashua]

Yes I'm married. Love is always an emotion. Sex is an act.

I'll edit your statement above:::

uh by that thinking one could say that the sinner who does no wrong and simply loves his neighbor and God would make it to heaven as they dont steal and lie and so on.

Yes correct.

For I say unto you, That except your righteousness shall exceed the righteousness of the scribes and Pharisees, ye shall in no case enter into the kingdom of heaven.

21Ye have heard that it was said of them of old time, Thou shalt not kill; and whosoever shall kill shall be in danger of the judgment:

22But I say unto you, That whosoever is angry with his brother without a cause shall be in danger of the judgment: and whosoever shall say to his brother, Raca, shall be in danger of the council: but whosoever shall say, Thou fool, shall be in danger of hell fire.

23Therefore if thou bring thy gift to the altar, and there rememberest that thy brother hath ought against thee;

24Leave there thy gift before the altar, and go thy way; first be reconciled to thy brother, and then come and offer thy gift.

25Agree with thine adversary quickly, whiles thou art in the way with him; lest at any time the adversary deliver thee to the judge, and the judge deliver thee to the officer, and thou be cast into prison.

26Verily I say unto thee, Thou shalt by no means come out thence, till thou hast paid the uttermost farthing.

27Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:

28But I say unto you, That whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.

29And if thy right eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

30And if thy right hand offend thee, cut it off, and cast it from thee: for it is profitable for thee that one of thy members should perish, and not that thy whole body should be cast into hell.

31It hath been said, Whosoever shall put away his wife, let him give her a writing of divorcement:

32But I say unto you, That whosoever shall put away his wife, saving for the cause of fornication, causeth her to commit adultery: and whosoever shall marry her that is divorced committeth adultery.


If you want to use emotions as a standard, you're even worse off than before. Not only may you not murder, adulterate, and break any actual commandment, but if your heart is corrupted to that end; you are just as guilty.

If your emotions cause you to in effect 'murder' or 'fornicate' you break both the two greatest commandments.

Man is desperately wicked. Christ is the only solution -- not because there remains no Holy Commandments-- but because There ARE Holy Commandments which bare witness against us. We should not sin because of the grace of God, but we should live righteous lives BECAUSE of the grace of God has delivered us from the second death.

Is the New Covenant nothing more than an occasion to sin and an "insurance policy" to you? Don't tempt God.

 

[jasoncran]

so when the wife is a jerk and is one for days on end and you cant change her then do you just leave then as that is all its a feel good emotion. surely as a parent you know that kids annoy and also that when you are tired and need attention you talk to them or do you always ignore then

we love at times when we act, but all forms of love have feet behind them

i can give my wife food and not love her.

 

[Strangelove]

Man is desperately wicked. Christ is the only solution -- not because there remains no Holy Commandments-- but because There ARE Holy Commandments which bare witness against us. We should not sin because of the grace of God, but we should live righteous lives BECAUSE of the grace of God has delivered us from the second death.

Is the New Covenant nothing more than an occasion to sin and an "insurance policy" to you? Don't tempt God.

Love God, Love others. Sinning is against this. Thats why I repent.

It's so simple even a child can understand.

Nothing else needed. Just Jesus Christ. He is the root of our salvation. Faith.

 

[Ashua]

Lusts of the flesh are emotions.
Emotions give occasion to sin.
Emotions are the seed of sin.

Love is an emotion.
Love gives occasion to righteousness.
Love is the seed of righteousness.

 

[Theofilus]

No because that would be breaking the love you have for your wife. Simple.

By cheating on her you are making a mockery of your love for her. You are cheating on love. You are breaking Jesus' commandment to love others. Your also showing the opposite of love to the spouse of the person your cheating with. Thats the rule broken again. Your also not loving your children by making a mockery of the love of your family unit. No love for others again. Also your not loving God. Becasue you know God wants you to love others and so you've broken the first law and the second.

This isn't rocket science folks. Jesus has us covered against any sin. Go ahead gimme another sin. give me any OT law and I'll break it down to love.

I agree with what you say, but I was really thinking this from a different angle. I forgot to mention the little detail that I'm not married (never have been) and have no children. Imagine this hypothetical scenario:

Suppose I know a married couple and that they are childless. They ask me to take part in a threesome with them. To me, that would be adultery and forbidden by God's law. But what do you think? As long as I love them and they love each other and me, is it ok?

The reason I'm asking is that it sounds to me like you're saying that we don't have to obey any of the OT commandments as long as we love each other and God. Here I have given a scenario where everybody loves everybody else, but they are violating one of the commandments. If their emotions justify their actions, then we can justify pretty much anything we may want to do. But if emotions don't justify their actions, then we must admit that at least this one commandment is still valid.