IS THERE A RAPTURE? Who will go? WHO'S THE BRIDE?

[Chopper]

Ok. We will walk this thing out together , with input from Edward and Reba.

OK, can you walk me through your position? Can you identify that position like mid-trib or post-trib, or whatever?

 

[Chopper]

360 Posts has anyone posted these scriptures yet..

Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.

2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.

3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.

4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.

tob

Great Scriptures Brother, I'm trying to practice them, especially now.

 

[JLB]

OK, can you walk me through your position? Can you identify that position like mid-trib or post-trib, or whatever?

The Gathering happens when He Comes after the Tribulation.

Post tribulation.

 

[Chopper]

The Gathering happens when He Comes after the Tribulation.

Post tribulation.

I just came to that conclusion because of the words "the day of the Lord" in 2 Thess. 2:2. That is post trib.

 

[JLB]

I just came to that conclusion because of the words "the day of the Lord" in 2 Thess. 2:2. That is post trib.

Yes sir, He comes after the antichrist is revealed, to destroy him with the brightness of His Coming.

1 Thessalonians 4 & 5 also says the Rapture happens on the Day of the Lord and will not come as a thief in the night for us.


JLB

 

[Chopper]

Yes sir, He comes after the antichrist is revealed, to destroy him with the brightness of His Coming.

1 Thessalonians 4 & 5 also says the Rapture happens on the Day of the Lord and will not come as a thief in the night for us.


JLB

OK got it. I'm going to bed, good nite.

 

[Chopper]

JLB, I have a question on Revelation 3:10, Does not the church at Philadelphia represent the "faithful" Christians? And their escape from the tribulation?

 

[JLB]

JLB, I have a question on Revelation 3:10, Does not the church at Philadelphia represent the "faithful" Christians? And their escape from the tribulation?

That church was areal Church that John was over during that time.

Can we learn from there example?
Yes.

Did they get Raptured to heaven.

No. They were kept like Noah was.

 

[Chopper]

That church was areal Church that John was over during that time.

Can we learn from there example?
Yes.

Did they get Raptured to heaven.

No. They were kept like Noah was.

I was thinking that. I re-studied the Woman, in Rev. 12:1-6 and discovered that it is not the church, as I previously thought, but Israel. Israel flees to the wilderness and is protected by God during the tribulation and the church in Rev. 3:10 would be protected as well. Am I warm?

 

[JLB]

I was thinking that. I re-studied the Woman, in Rev. 12:1-6 and discovered that it is not the church, as I previously thought, but Israel. Israel flees to the wilderness and is protected by God during the tribulation and the church in Rev. 3:10 would be protected as well. Am I warm?

Flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, But my Father in Heaven.

Believing Israel.

 

[JLB]

I was thinking that. I re-studied the Woman, in Rev. 12:1-6 and discovered that it is not the church, as I previously thought, but Israel. Israel flees to the wilderness and is protected by God during the tribulation and the church in Rev. 3:10 would be protected as well. Am I warm?

My opinion is, the Woman's name is Jerusalem.

 

[reba]

Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Rom_2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:


Does God have more then one Body ?

 

[JLB]

Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Rom_2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:


Does God have more then one Body ?

Yes

 

[Chopper]

Rom 10:12 For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him.

Gal_3:28 There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither bond nor free, there is neither male nor female: for ye are all one in Christ Jesus.

Rom_2:28 For he is not a Jew, which is one outwardly; neither is that circumcision, which is outward in the flesh:


Does God have more then one Body ?

In my opinion, yes. The Church of Jesus Christ, and the Nation of believing Israel. I believe they are both called the elect. Actually, because of the Scriptures that you quoted, they would be ONE, but treated as two during the tribulation.

 

[JLB]

14 But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. 15 So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. 16 But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. Revelation 12:14-17

There is the woman, then, there is the rest of her offspring.

 

[reba]

but treated as two during the tribulation.

and the passage of scripture for this idea is which?

 

[reba]

Col 2:19 And not holding the Head, from which all the body by joints and bands having nourishment ministered, and knit together, increaseth with the increase of God.
Rom_12:5 So we, being many, are one body in Christ, and every one members one of another.

1Co_10:17 For we being many are one bread, and one body: for we are all partakers of that one bread.
1Co_12:12 For as the body is one, and hath many members, and all the members of that one body, being many, are one body: so also is Christ.

1Co_12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Co_12:18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
1Co_12:19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
1Co_12:20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.

1Co_12:25 That there should be no schism in the body; but that the members should have the same care one for another.
1Co_12:27 Now ye are the body of Christ, and members in particular.

Eph 2:14 For he is our peace, who hath made both one, and hath broken down the middle wall of partition between us;
Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;
Eph 2:16 And that he might reconcile both unto God in one body by the cross, having slain the enmity thereby:
Eph 2:17 And came and preached peace to you which were afar off, and to them that were nigh.
Eph 2:18 For through him we both have access by one Spirit unto the Father.
Eph 2:19 Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God;

Eph_4:4 There is one body, and one Spirit, even as ye are called in one hope of your calling;
Eph_4:12 For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ:
Eph_4:16 From whom the whole body fitly joined together and compacted by that which every joint supplieth, according to the effectual working in the measure of every part, maketh increase of the body unto the edifying of itself in love.

 

[jasoncran]

keep in that theres trib saints that aren't Hebrews but gentiles.

 

[JLB]

and the passage of scripture for this idea is which?

17 And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring,

 

[JLB]

The term is "Remnant".

Even so then, at this present time there is a remnant according to the election of grace. Romans 11:5

13 For I speak to you Gentiles; inasmuch as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I magnify my ministry, 14 if by any means I may provoke to jealousy those who are my flesh and save some of them. 15 For if their being cast away is the reconciling of the world, what will their acceptance be but life from the dead? Romans 11:13-15

25 For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. Romans 11:25

28 Concerning the gospel they are enemies for your sake, but concerning the election they are beloved for the sake of the fathers. 29 For the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable. Romans 11:28-29