I didn't say "previous" believers.
I say what Paul teaches.
Those who are Christ's, at His Coming.
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IS THERE A RAPTURE? Who will go? WHO'S THE BRIDE?
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I didn't say "previous" believers.
I say what Paul teaches.
Those who are Christ's, at His Coming.
Chopper
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Even though you mis-spelled the word chialism, you are right. the school of interpretation for me is Futurism. Premillennialism is my thinking. Matt. 24:29-31 explains when Israel will be saved. God's promise to Abraham will find it's completion at this time, at the end of the tribulation. With much persuasion because of "Jacobs trouble" they will repent and believe by faith.
By your statement, your are saying the Apostles were not the Church!
How about saying i totally disagree. moderator
There is one Church, the body of Christ. Ie; those who are Christ's
Jesus was speaking to the Church in Matthew 24, as the Church was meeting with Him privately and asked Him the question that brought about His answer that spanned Matthew 24 & 25.
The Gathering is at His Coming.
The Coming in Matthew 24, is the same Coming in 1 Thessalonians 4;13-17, is the same Coming in Coming in 1 Corinthians 15, is the same Coming in 2 Thessalonians.
28 so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28
JLB
Chopper
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JLB, I don't understand our differences but I think there is a misunderstanding somewhere. ALL YOUR 6 SCRIPTURES ARE CORRECT! I love them. Jesus' "coming" is His second advent, right? And He does just what you say He does in your Scriptures. I think we our off, when I talk about His gathering the Bride (Christian elect) before the trib. I'm not speaking about God's elect Israel that He gathers at the end of the trib. I guess our only disagreement is over 2 gatherings, one for the Bride (pre-trib), and gathering of the Christians who were left behind from the Bride's gathering but they got serious during the first half of the trib. and are ready to be gathered at the mid-trib. That is where there will be a religious rebellion, and anti-christ will be revealed because He desecrates the temple.
Post number 328 answers your questions with scripture.
If you have any more questions, please post the question with the scripture you have.
Thanks, JLB
No homework required.
Only scripture.
This is the answer: Those who are His.
The Church is those who are His.
Those who are His will be Resurrected/Raptured (Gathered) at His Coming.
For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord. 1 Thessalonians 4:15-17
The antichrist will be destroyed by this SAME Coming, the brightness of His Coming. 2 Thessalonians 2:8
JLB
Chopper
Member
Also, after some study, I apologize for discounting a resurrection. There are two resurrections. Israel, at the end of the seven year tribulation, and the resurrection of the dead at the end of the millennium.
Please show the scriptures for this statement.
Those who are His covers all races creeds and colors. Jews and Gentiles.
His Coming is listed in 1 Corinthians 15 as well as 1 Thessalonians 4.
At His Coming , those who are His are Gathered at the Rapture and Resurrection.
There is no separating the Resurrection from the Rapture. It happens at His Coming.
At the same Coming the antichrist is destroyed.
Chopper
Member
As far as I know, a Hebrew is a Jewish person from Israel.
A descendant of Eber.
jasoncran
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ok., that is part of it.a Hebrew
1) of the kingdom of Judea, these are tribe of Judah and Benjamin and levites
2) of the northern kingdom and all the other tribes to include once again a levite
3) a goy who lives in isreal and becomes a Hebrew by circumcision and like rahab, ruth believe in the God of isreal.a large group of gentiles followed isreal into the promised land.
4) jew or gentile who practices Judaism
5) a jew who doesn't practice Judaism. a goy who was adopted and did practice judaism but left.
now then, that is for the most part from what I believe a jew would tell me what a Hebrew is. I didn't go into the birth mother ordeal with this. I would NOT be a jew by that definition because my mom is a gentile, but well my grandparents saw me as a jew.ok which of these will make up isreal in the millennium?
4 And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgment was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshiped the beast or his image, and had not received his mark on their foreheads or on their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. 5 But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection. Revelation 20:4-5
The Church who has gone through the tribulation and has remained faithful to Christ, is in the first Resurrection. That would be those who are Christ's. 1 Corinthians 15:23
Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first resurrection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years.
JLB
Both of these scriptures speak of hiding in the Lord, or being protected by the Lord in the day of trouble.
That certainly is Covenant language.
The Lord protected Noah in the day of trouble... just as in the days of Noah, so shall it be in the days of the Coming [there's that word again] of the Son of Man.
Daniel was protected.
The three Hebrew Children were protected.
However, there is always an exception!
Do you want to hear about the exception, to these that were protected by the Lord?
And others were tortured, not accepting deliverance, that they might obtain a better resurrection. Hebrews 11:35
JLB
turnorburn
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360 Posts has anyone posted these scriptures yet..
Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
tob
Colossians 3:1 If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
2 Set your affection on things above, not on things on the earth.
3 For ye are dead, and your life is hid with Christ in God.
4 When Christ, who is our life, shall appear, then shall ye also appear with him in glory.
tob