Is TULIP biblical?

[JLB]

No one is saved apart from hearing and believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ; the Gospel of grace.

 

[JLB]

Men were dead to God following the sin of Adam, in Adam all died, so man must be made alive to God in order to act towards God.

The way anyone is made alive is by hearing and believing the Gospel.


That’s why it’s called the power of God unto salvation.

 

[brightfame52]

It’s too bad you reject the truth of Gods word in favor of a doctrine of man.

How can you obey God and Christ and reject their Gospel as the word of men and not God, thats disobedience. 2 thess 1:8

In flaming fire taking vengeance on them that know not God, and that obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ:

 

[brightfame52]

No one is saved apart from hearing and believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ; the Gospel of grace.

You reject it, TULIP is the Gospel

 

[brightfame52]

The way anyone is made alive is by hearing and believing the Gospel.


That’s why it’s called the power of God unto salvation.

One is made alive in order to hear, dead people cant hear. Jesus said so to dead people

Jn 8:43

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

I think I am starting to see what Jesus did so that humanity can be victotius.

Yes. He turned His wrath away from His creation, as mankind treated Him miserably.

Total depravity was defeated by the flood. The ark symbolized the work of Jesus.
We should not rehash total depravity today.

I'm not rehashing it. I'm out right refuting it.
Total depravity is defeated by the work of Jesus as He works through us bringing in the harvest. Jesus told Adam what to expect while preaching the gospel (Gen.3:17-19) and the pain Eve (the church) would have in bearing and raising children while loving Christ (Gen.3:16.)

Unmerited favor when Israel crossed Jordan into the promised land, may be a symbol of Repentance.

I don't like the term "unmerited favor, because as a father and grandfather, I don't look at my own children that way.

I love my children in spite of their sins and our Savior did the same for me.

But of the men of Israel who left Egypt (bondage) over 20 years old, only two entered the promised land..

for they have wholly followed the LORD. Num.32;12

Today we have favor through the work of Repentance and the work of Jesus.

it has been that way since Eden.

Limited atonement the law was a stop gap short term limited way till Jesus came and fulfilled the law.

The purpose of the law is to show us that we are all sinners. That doesn't mean people are completely completely depraved. Total depravity happens over time,

He, that being often reproved hardeneth his neck, shall suddenly be destroyed, and that without remedy. Pro.29:1

Will stop for now.

Comments?

Mississippi redneck
eddif

that's about it.

 

[eddif]

Men were dead to God following the sin of Adam, in Adam all died, so man must be made alive to God in order to act towards God.

I sure thought Able had the right sacrifice.

eddif

 

[jasonc]

There is IMHO a difference in seeing the depravity of man and the Total Depravity that almost caused God to wipe men and animals off the face of the earth.


I see TULIP as having swung way off course. I am not out to abolish TULIP, but I am for understanding TULIP. Much like I try and help the law be used lawfully. Which seems to not haven too Great.

Free may be saying a similar thing.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

No,we haven't learned .

God simply said how he will destroy the earth in his promise .

Noah preached one hundred years ,they were offered a chance .you seem to think that man don't

Kill and plot continuelly as a whole .peace between wars mshoot in my 50

Grenada,Falkland war,panama ,desertStorm,Kosovo ,Somalia ,Haiti ,Iraq, Afghanistan,Libya .this is counting NATO .not what civil wars of other nations we also helped egg on to gain an ally or destroy a foe.

Abortions,gay rights ,marriage that isn't even close to godly manners that heterosexual do ,greed etc .look at trump .how many divorces he had and how he talks about woman ,porn in the elders of the churches ,divorce in church ,few in the church bother to reach the lost ,give and help the church in anyway .

Never one that well church Germany ,Italy had the Holocaust and few churches bothered to save and stop the evil .Dietrich bonhoffer was told to stay in the UK .he was a pacifist at first then saw the evil in Germany and sought to kill Hitler to end it .

He didn't fear death .but nah that level of genocidal isn't in America or the world now .no church folk get abortions . depravity Is simply the fallen nature of man that He by nature hates God and seeks sin out .


Yet you think that we learned from sodom and gommorah and the flood?

I have been to war . You won't see a dog the same after that or children .

I just can't believe that the church can't see that basic broken sin loving man person is damned without Jesus .

Depravity means we are by nature children of the devil until God changes us

 

[JLB]

One is made alive in order to hear, dead people cant hear. Jesus said so to dead people

Jn 8:43

Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

Yes the Pharisee’s were blind and deaf spiritually.


Many of them eventually believed the Gospel and were made alive.

Saul of Tarsus being one of them.


Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.” Acts 2:37-39


No one is saved apart from hearing and believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ.






JLB

 

[brightfame52]

I sure thought Able had the right sacrifice.

eddif

He did, so that means he had to be born again, spiritually alive. Once a person is born again and made spiritually alive, they can come to God in Faith, but not until then

 

[brightfame52]

Yes the Pharisee’s were blind and deaf spiritually.


Many of them eventually believed the Gospel and were made alive.

Saul of Tarsus being one of them.


Now when they heard this, they were cut to the heart, and said to Peter and the rest of the apostles, “Men and brethren, what shall we do?”
Then Peter said to them, “Repent, and let every one of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. For the promise is to you and to your children, and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call.” Acts 2:37-39


No one is saved apart from hearing and believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ.






JLB

All men are born without hearing like those pharisees.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

The word came to Jeremiah concerning all the people of Judah in the fourth year of Jehoiakim son of Josiah king of Judah, which was the first year of Nebuchadnezzar king of Babylon. So Jeremiah the prophet said to all the people of Judah and to all those living in Jerusalem: For twenty-three years—from the thirteenth year of Josiah son of Amon king of Judah until this very day—the word of the LORD has come to me and I have spoken to you again and again, but you have not listened. And though the LORD has sent all his servants the prophets to you again and again, you have not listened or paid any attention. They said, “Turn now, each of you, from your evil ways and your evil practices, and you can stay in the land the LORD gave to you and your ancestors for ever and ever. Do not follow other gods to serve and worship them; do not arouse my anger with what your hands have made. Then I will not harm you.” “But you did not listen to me,” declares the LORD, “and you have aroused my anger with what your hands have made, and you have brought harm to yourselves.” Jer.25:1-7 NIV

There's a difference between won't listen and can't listen.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

God, who at sundry times and in divers manners spakein time past unto the fathers by the prophets, Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds; Heb.1:1-2 KJV

So after the prophets, Jesus came and was mistreated also, except sinners were sinning against God himself.

If one man sin against another, the judge shall judge him: but if a man sin against the LORD, who shall intreat for him? Notwithstanding they hearkened not unto the voice of their father, because the LORD wouldslay them. 1Sam.2:25 KJV

 

[journeymanisnothing]

It sounds strange to say "Jesus was being horrifically sinned against", but that's what happened to Him.

There was a report a few weeks ago of a young Arab woman who was kidnapped and beheaded by fanatics. Any descent person is sickened by hearing of such viscious acts.

That's how we need to understand our Lords' sacrifice. that's what it means that He bore our sins,

And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends. Zech.13:6

We haven't always been His friends, but He has always been ours.

 

[eddif]

He did, so that means he had to be born again, spiritually alive. Once a person is born again and made spiritually alive, they can come to God in Faith, but not until then

You seem to see it that way. I would say. Able was post sin of his father, sin had not grown to the point of the intent of men’s hearts was only evil continually.

Others may see that sin had not yet grown to the point of total dominion over men.

After the flood, sin did not have total Dominion, there were good and bad times.

Finally sin increased to the end of the 12 prophets. In Jerusalem some people were destroyed, and those who grieved over the sins of Israel were put into protective custody in the nations (modern term).

400 years later John the Baptist and Jesus appeared on the scene. The teaching turned to kingdom teaching. The Gospel was taught.
Luke 16:16 kjv
16. The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

At Pentecost the new birth occurred. Although a little rocky the Gospel was preached to Jew and gentile alike. (The Great Commission was carried out).

We now await the great falling away and the Resurrection and judgement. Since time will end, there can be no date setting.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

 

[brightfame52]

You seem to see it that way. I would say. Able was post sin of his father, sin had not grown to the point of the intent of men’s hearts was only evil continually.

Others may see that sin had not yet grown to the point of total dominion over men.

After the flood, sin did not have total Dominion, there were good and bad times.

Finally sin increased to the end of the 12 prophets. In Jerusalem some people were destroyed, and those who grieved over the sins of Israel were put into protective custody in the nations (modern term).

400 years later John the Baptist and Jesus appeared on the scene. The teaching turned to kingdom teaching. The Gospel was taught.
Luke 16:16 kjv
16. The law and the prophets were until John: since that time the kingdom of God is preached, and every man presseth into it.

At Pentecost the new birth occurred. Although a little rocky the Gospel was preached to Jew and gentile alike. (The Great Commission was carried out).

We now await the great falling away and the Resurrection and judgement. Since time will end, there can be no date setting.

Mississippi redneck
eddif

Abel like any other dead sinner by nature, had to be made alive first in order to act spiritually, otherwise he would have remained dead, see all in Adam died Rom 5:12,15

12 Wherefore*, as by one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:

15 But not as the offence, so also is the free gift. For if through the offence of one many be dead, much more the grace of God, and the gift by grace, which is by one man, Jesus Christ, hath abounded unto many.

Abel was included in the many be dead by what Adam did.

 

[JLB]

All men are born without hearing like those pharisees.

Please post the scripture that says all men are born without hearing?

Men must first hear the message of salvation, then once having heard, they must believe and obey.


Abraham was born into a family that served other gods.

Abraham heard and obeyed the Gospel, and began to follow (obey) the LORD.


First he heard, then he obeyed, which is the pattern of how Gentiles would come to be saved, and justified by faith.


Hear and believe is the pattern of salvation.


By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. Hebrews 11:8


So again, please post the scripture that says all men are born with no ability to hear.



JLB

 

[brightfame52]

Please post the scripture that says all men are born without hearing?

Men must first hear the message of salvation, then once having heard, they must believe and obey.


Abraham was born into a family that served other gods.

Abraham heard and obeyed the Gospel, and began to follow (obey) the LORD.


First he heard, then he obeyed, which is the pattern of how Gentiles would come to be saved, and justified by faith.


Hear and believe is the pattern of salvation.


By faith Abraham obeyed when he was called to go out to the place which he would receive as an inheritance. And he went out, not knowing where he was going. Hebrews 11:8


So again, please post the scripture that says all men are born with no ability to hear.



JLB

Man is born dead to God, so how can he hear God. Jesus told men they cannot hear Jn 8:43

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

 

[JLB]

Man is born dead to God, so how can he hear God. Jesus told men they cannot hear Jn 8:43

43 Why do ye not understand my speech? even because ye cannot hear my word.

So far, you have provided no scripture that says all men are without the ability to hear.


Try again.

 

[brightfame52]

So far, you have provided no scripture that says all men are without the ability to hear.


Try again.

Men can hear Spiritually when they are given spiritual ears in the new birth. In new birth men are given spiritual circumcised ears to hear Matt 11:15

He that hath ears to hear, let him hear.

Acts 7:51
Ye stiffnecked and uncircumcised in heart and ears, ye do always resist the Holy Ghost: as your fathers did, so do ye.