Israelis demand Third Temple

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Jesus said to the High Priest direcrly that he would see the Son of Man coming in the clouds of heaven.

Do you think the High Priest sometime in his lifetime from say the times of 66-70ad seen the Son of Man come in the clouds with his army?, or do you think Jesus is a liar?.

Jesus said to his diciples when you see all these things look up, when Jerusalem is surrounded flee to the mountains.That generation. He was not speaking to people in 2017. Everything the Prophets said and Jesus said happened as they said because they are not liars.

 

[JLB]

Jesus said 'i am the ressurection'.

All im saying is I believe no scripture is written to us. It was first century from Christ to 70ad.

Paul writes a private letter saying To my dear son Timothy, and Christians think its written to them. To the ephesians, To the corinthians, To the Thessalonians. John, To the seven churches in Asia.

Jesus spoke to his diciples and said when you see these things, and Christians think scripture is talking to them and its when they see the signs. If the people in that generation did not see all the signs then Jesus is a liar, but i dont make Jesus out to be a liar.


No scripture is written to or for anyone today. Thats my opinion.

So be it.

 

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So be it.

I mean not written as in, I believe no Prophecy is for the people of today. We live under Gods grace and heaven and earth passed away, but Jesus words stand forever.

 

[JLB]

I mean not written as in, I believe no Prophecy is for the people of today. We live under Gods grace and heaven and earth passed away, but Jesus words stand forever.

Believe me, I know what you mean.

Do you believe the resurrection is past?



JLB

 

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Believe me, I know what you mean.

Do you believe the resurrection is past?



JLB

I dont know where I stand on ressurection. I just believe people are being misled from reading letters or thinking scripture is talking to them or about events in a later time when it is clear scripture was talking to others and events to take place in there time.

 

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Dan,

The
Resurrection has not happened and if it had we would be saddest people of all because we would have zero hope of ever getting to Heaven and you're missing the mark because you have removed the verse from the context, Brother. Jesus gave us the time marker in that context of the fig tree and the fig tree, the fruit, is Israel and Israel bloomed May 14, 1948. I was born in 45 making my generation, about 45-65, the generation that will not pass before He returns to Rapture us out. It could, very well be that even I, as old as I am will be riding in my wheelchair and be Raptured.

Jesus didn't give us anything. He gave others the time marker when he was speaking to them, he was talking to those people in that day and told them they will see those things, not us. Even as revelation was written for the seven churches in Asia, when the temple was still standing, Prophecy specifically written for them in there time, and they would have understood, it was not written for Bill and Dan.

Show me a scripture where Jesus was speaking to you and me.

People think revelation was written after 70ad, impossible because John was told to rise and measure the temple, and the gentiles would tread the city 42 months, 66-70ad. The second temple was still standing.

The only Jerusalem is the Heavenly Jerusalem. There is no third literal temple that is relevant to any prophecy.

 

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As Jesus was sitting on the Mount of Olives, the disciples came to him privately. “Tell us,” they said, “when will this happen, and what will be the sign of your coming and of the end of the age? Jesus answered: “Watch out that no one deceives you. For many will come in my name, claiming, ‘I am the Messiah,’ and will deceive many. You will hear of wars and rumors of wars, but see to it that you are not alarmed....and so on so on.

People would come to the diciples he was talking to trying to decieve them, and the diciples he was talking to would hear of wars and roumors of wars, and the diciples he was talking to should not be alarmed, and the diciples he was talking to would be handed over to be persecuted, and when the diciples he was talking to see the abomination of desolation,..and so on so on.

Even if Gentile Christians dont know what the mark of the beast or the AOD is, its been and gone.

And Jesus was speaking to Jews, his diciples were all Jews, and Jews had and read the scriptures of Daniel.

 

[th1b.taylor]

Jesus didn't give us anything. He gave others the time marker when he was speaking to them, he was talking to those people in that day and told them they will see those things, not us. Even as revelation was written for the seven churches in Asia, when the temple was still standing, Prophecy specifically written for them in there time, and they would have understood, it was not written for Bill and Dan.

Show me a scripture where Jesus was speaking to you and me.

People think revelation was written after 70ad, impossible because John was told to rise and measure the temple, and the gentiles would tread the city 42 months, 66-70ad. The second temple was still standing.

The only Jerusalem is the Heavenly Jerusalem. There is no third literal temple that is relevant to any prophecy.

Dan,
No man ever saw that Fig Tree bud again and you can't afford to play with the Word of God. You have taken these scriptures that tells all of signs to recognize the generation He spoke of and He was speaking of the generation that is about to bow out of this world. I can tell fifty times but until you read the entire chapter, say, Mark 13 no one can help you because you're busy practicing being stubborn.

 

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Dan,
No man ever saw that Fig Tree bud again and you can't afford to play with the Word of God. You have taken these scriptures that tells all of signs to recognize the generation He spoke of and He was speaking of the generation that is about to bow out of this world. I can tell fifty times but until you read the entire chapter, say, Mark 13 no one can help you because you're busy practicing being stubborn.

How can I be taking anything out of context when Jesus looked at his diciples and said 'when YOU see all these things'. He never said when people 2000 years later reading a book that was penned down of my account see these things.

 

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Dan,
No man ever saw that Fig Tree bud again and you can't afford to play with the Word of God. You have taken these scriptures that tells all of signs to recognize the generation He spoke of and He was speaking of the generation that is about to bow out of this world.

No, Jesus said 'this generation will not pass until it's fullfilled' and he was speaking directly to the people within a 1st century generation. Im not taking anything out of context.

"Verily I say unto you (the people he was speaking with), This generation (the people he was speaking with) shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled"

And when the diciples see all those things.

"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Was Jesus a liar and they never seen all those things Jesus was speaking in Luke 21.

So your saying it's not all fullfilled and the generation of diciples that he was directly talking with passed away without all being fullfilled?. Or do you think a generation is 2000 years +?

I understand why people feel that they must hold on so tight and scripture has to be talking to them because they think of all is fullfilled as was spoken, then where is the hope of there resurrection and there doomed and there faith is dead. Because thats the way people think because they dont understand and get all paranoid Christ has forsaken them because there Spirit is still living before Christ fullfilled all things. Many Christians are still waiting for there Messiah.

There are a couple ressurections that are in scripture, even as this earth fades away as heaven and this earth has already passed away, and the last person gives up there last breath and people don't get beamed into the sky, Christ is the ressurection. He was and still is.

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"

Paul also spoke about the things that were about to pass, and John in Revelation.

 

[JLB]

I dont know where I stand on ressurection. I just believe people are being misled from reading letters or thinking scripture is talking to them or about events in a later time when it is clear scripture was talking to others and events to take place in there time.

Concerning the coming of the Lord and the resurrection and rapture, Jesus said this:


24 “But in those days, after that tribulation, the sun will be darkened, and the moon will not give its light; 25 the stars of heaven will fall, and the powers in the heavens will be shaken. 26 Then they will see the Son of Man coming in the clouds with great power and glory. 27 And then He will send His angels, and gather together His elect from the four winds, from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.
28 “Now learn this parable from the fig tree: When its branch has already become tender, and puts forth leaves, you know that summer is near.29 So you also, when you see these things happening, know that it is near—at the doors! 30 Assuredly, I say to you, this generation will by no means pass away till all these things take place. 31 Heaven and earth will pass away, but My words will by no means pass away.
32 “But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels in heaven, nor the Son, but only the Father. 33 Take heed, watch and pray; for you do not know when the time is. 34 It is like a man going to a far country, who left his house and gave authority to his servants, and to each his work, and commanded the doorkeeper to watch. 35 Watch therefore, for you do not know when the master of the house is coming—in the evening, at midnight, at the crowing of the rooster, or in the morning— 36 lest, coming suddenly, he find you sleeping.

37 And what I say to you, I say to all: Watch!” Mark 13:24-37

All includes you and I.


Paul in writing to Timothy said this:

19 Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ depart from iniquity.”

20 But in a great house there are not only vessels of gold and silver, but also of wood and clay, some for honor and some for dishonor. 21 Therefore if anyone cleanses himself from the latter, he will be a vessel for honor, sanctified and useful for the Master, prepared for every good work. 22 Flee also youthful lusts; but pursue righteousness, faith, love, peace with those who call on the Lord out of a pure heart. 23 But avoid foolish and ignorant disputes, knowing that they generate strife. 24 And a servant of the Lord must not quarrel but be gentle to all, able to teach, patient, 25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth, 26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will. 2 Timothy 2:20-26


Everyone who names the name of Christ, includes you and I.


There are more, but I think you understand that we can read and study God's word, filling our heart and mind with that which is profitable for instruction in righteousness, and correction, and things that will help us to be approved workers for the Lord.



JLB

 

[th1b.taylor]

No, Jesus said 'this generation will not pass until it's fullfilled' and he was speaking directly to the people within a 1st century generation. Im not taking anything out of context.

"Verily I say unto you (the people he was speaking with), This generation (the people he was speaking with) shall not pass away, till all be fulfilled"

And when the diciples see all those things.

"Watch ye therefore, and pray always, that ye may be accounted worthy to escape all these things that shall come to pass, and to stand before the Son of man."

Was Jesus a liar and they never seen all those things Jesus was speaking in Luke 21.

So your saying it's not all fullfilled and the generation of diciples that he was directly talking with passed away without all being fullfilled?. Or do you think a generation is 2000 years +?

I understand why people feel that they must hold on so tight and scripture has to be talking to them because they think of all is fullfilled as was spoken, then where is the hope of there resurrection and there doomed and there faith is dead. Because thats the way people think because they dont understand and get all paranoid Christ has forsaken them because there Spirit is still living before Christ fullfilled all things. Many Christians are still waiting for there Messiah.

There are a couple ressurections that are in scripture, even as this earth fades away as heaven and this earth has already passed away, and the last person gives up there last breath and people don't get beamed into the sky, Christ is the ressurection. He was and still is.

"Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believeth in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:"

Paul also spoke about the things that were about to pass, and John in Revelation.

Dan,
I am tiring of asking you deal with the context because Jesus did identify the generation He was addressing. He was slick but not deceptive in His wording so that every generation from that point forward would expect Him in their generation and strive hard to live a God honoring life.

What He spoke would be akin to teaching one of my children to pay attention to everything that is said while using a box of Exam Gloves and I would tell them the first glove out of the box always goes on my right hand, it's amazing! And then remove the first silicone glove and put it on my left hand. Of course they would here that the first glove out of the box was a right handed glove but that would not be what I said, at all. Jesus used this form of speech to keep the Spiritually Dead from interpreting what He said correctly and thus trying to repent at the correct time.

 

[th1b.taylor]

So your saying it's not all fullfilled and the generation of diciples that he was directly talking with passed away without all being fullfilled?. Or do you think a generation is 2000 years +?

That is a dumb question and you only ask because you are not placing this string of messages into one context and though each is a separate message they are all about the same point, of one context. The same is true of all scripture and you are raping this passage by jerking and singling it out when just before these two scriptures He qualified the generation. He was not speaking to the first century!

 

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That is a dumb question and you only ask because you are not placing this string of messages into one context and though each is a separate message they are all about the same point, of one context. The same is true of all scripture and you are raping this passage by jerking and singling it out when just before these two scriptures He qualified the generation. He was not speaking to the first century!

So he was not speaking to the first century thats why he was speaking to people in the first century and said to them when you see Jerusalem surrounded by a army, and 30 years later, that is still that generation, as Jesus said everything be fullfilled within this generation, Jerusalem was surrounded by a army and the people he spoke to years earlier seen it. Its just a coincedence.

 

[JLB]

 

[th1b.taylor]

So he was not speaking to the first century thats why he was speaking to people in the first century and said to them when you see Jerusalem surrounded by a army, and 30 years later, that is still that generation, as Jesus said everything be fullfilled within this generation, Jerusalem was surrounded by a army and the people he spoke to years earlier seen it. Its just a coincedence.

Dan,
Those a4e approaching fighting words and that is not going. to happen, old friend and you know it. Begin conversiñg like the man I know you to be and I will respond,,

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Dan,
Those a4e approaching fighting words and that is not going. to happen, old friend and you know it. Begin conversiñg like the man I know you to be and I will respond,,

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Ok. if Jesus was speaking directly to people and told them directly that they would see all the signs, why do people from then on up to 2000 years later think the signs are for them?.

The signs were for who Jesus told them they would see all those things like Jerusalum surrounded by an Army.

And the AOD was the Romans surrounding Jerusalum and The city and temples fall, because scripture says it directly. Go look at the parallel. In Matthew and Mark Jesus said to them when they see the AOD flee to the mountains and dont go back for your cloak or whatever, and Luke says when they see Jerusalem surrounded by army flee the mountains and so on.

 

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Matthew 24
"And this gospel of the Kingdom will be preached in the whole world as a testimony to all nations, and then the end will come."

Romans 10
"But I say, Have they not heard? Yes verily, their sound went into all the earth, and their words unto the ends of the world."

 

[th1b.taylor]

Ok. if Jesus was speaking directly to people and told them directly that they would see all the signs, why do people from then on up to 2000 years later think the signs are for them?.

The signs were for who Jesus told them they would see all those things like Jerusalem surrounded by an Army.

And the AOD was the Romans surrounding Jerusalum and The city and temples fall, because scripture says it directly. Go look at the parallel. In Matthew and Mark Jesus said to them when they see the AOD flee to the mountains and dont go back for your cloak or whatever, and Luke says when they see Jerusalem surrounded by army flee the mountains and so on.

Jesus wanted and wants every one of us to follow Him. He also wants as tightly close to the scriptures as they, possibly, can, neither is happening and that has never happened on the basis of recorded history. God knew this would be the case because of His foreknowledge. knows the future since the Beginning of time.

You have surely read my explanation of how God is not contained or restrained by our Time/Space Continuum but must be considered to be outside of it since He created everything for our use. At the same time God is blameless and He is blameless. For that to remain true God has to have issued warning that remained ignored.

But as I explained before, you have convoluted this passage by taking it out of it's context. That very item is known to me and a segment of the Christian Community as Spiritual Rape. All, every bit of scripture, in context, in context is given for one purpose, the Salvation of Mankind. Jesus said it Himself that He came, not to condemn but rather, to restore what was lost. That means the Prime Question is, ¨What was lost?¨ If we return to Original Scriptures, the Old Testament, to see what the Son of God was talking about or commenting on, in Genesis 3 we find a Fellowship between God that is sweet, desirable and wanted, not needed, by God. God created mankind for the purpose of Fellowship.

You removed your quoted scripture from it's context and to understand anything from it's context is to change it's intended meaning, you, just, cannot do that! Jesus was asked a question about when we should look for Him and He answered and He gave the signs to look for after He qualified the generation He was speaking of when He answered. The Fig Tree (Israel or a Jewish Jerusalem) was blooming again.

My statement is founded on the facts that Israel, the Fruit or Fig Tree, of God's, blossomed May 14, 1948. That is the qualifier for the generation He was speaking of.

The idea or fact that any Prophecy is or will e fulfilled 2 or 3 time is a normal event and I am not arguing against the 70ad event in the least but the Main Event is yet to come.

 

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Jesus wanted and wants every one of us to follow Him. He also wants as tightly close to the scriptures as they, possibly, can, neither is happening and that has never happened on the basis of recorded history. God knew this would be the case because of His foreknowledge. knows the future since the Beginning of time.

You have surely read my explanation of how God is not contained or restrained by our Time/Space Continuum but must be considered to be outside of it since He created everything for our use. At the same time God is blameless and He is blameless. For that to remain true God has to have issued warning that remained ignored.

But as I explained before, you have convoluted this passage by taking it out of it's context. That very item is known to me and a segment of the Christian Community as Spiritual Rape. All, every bit of scripture, in context, in context is given for one purpose, the Salvation of Mankind. Jesus said it Himself that He came, not to condemn but rather, to restore what was lost. That means the Prime Question is, ¨What was lost?¨ If we return to Original Scriptures, the Old Testament, to see what the Son of God was talking about or commenting on, in Genesis 3 we find a Fellowship between God that is sweet, desirable and wanted, not needed, by God. God created mankind for the purpose of Fellowship.

You removed your quoted scripture from it's context and to understand anything from it's context is to change it's intended meaning, you, just, cannot do that! Jesus was asked a question about when we should look for Him and He answered and He gave the signs to look for after He qualified the generation He was speaking of when He answered. The Fig Tree (Israel or a Jewish Jerusalem) was blooming again.

My statement is founded on the facts that Israel, the Fruit or Fig Tree, of God's, blossomed May 14, 1948. That is the qualifier for the generation He was speaking of.

The idea or fact that any Prophecy is or will e fulfilled 2 or 3 time is a normal event and I am not arguing against the 70ad event in the least but the Main Event is yet to come.

But people don't believe Christ did anything because they are still waiting for Salvation. Christ cannot restore until his return. He was never King because its only his return he sits on his glorious throne. In that generation he was to sacrifice once for sin and then return to bring salvation and restore.

"so Christ was sacrificed once to take away the sins of many; and he will appear a second time, not to bear sin, but to bring salvation to those who are waiting for him."

Bill you bring up the fig tree, Jesus cursed the tree and said no fruit ever come from you ever again, and your saying the fig tree is blossoming. God blossomed the fig tree in 1948.

Jesus also said Jerusalem is left desolate.

How can you believe God is restoring if you don't believe Jesus has returned?