Issues with Speaking In Tongues

[Northman]

Quote Originally Posted by Northman View Post Always wanted to, never able or allowed. Did you read my post on what I went through? It's not that you can't or was allowed, it was that you gave up seeking because you lack patience. Faith and patience inherit the promises. Go back and read post 21. See what I did because I don't give up if the Word says something that is mine. It could be having your needs met, healing, whatever the Word says I seek until God is able to get it through my head and build my faith to where I can obtain the promises. Heb_6:12 That ye be not slothful, but followers of them who through faith and patience inherit the promises.

Lack patience? Sloth? My oldest request, something ive been praying about since i was 8. Not sure what anything from post 21 has to do with my relationship with god at all. Great for you though. A young christian might assume you are speaking by the spirit when attempting to make that kind of assertion, be careful.

 

[Brother Mike]

Lack patience? Sloth? My oldest request, something ive been praying about since i was 8. Not sure what anything from post 21 has to do with my relationship with god at all. Great for you though. A young christian might assume you are speaking by the spirit when attempting to make that kind of assertion, be careful.

If you seek, you find........... Jesus said that not me. If you don't obtain, you have not bee seeking. You said you Always wanted to but never allowed to............... That is the point you cut off what you could have had because that is not faith, that is giving up.

Go back read my testimony. Jesus said if you believe on Him, (Some won't be allowed to speak in tongues?) NO, He said you "WILL" speak in new tongues.

Who is right? Your not allowed to?

Or Jesus?

I vote for Jesus and if you do what I say, you will receive. Faith is not seeing something first, faith is receiving something first. "I am filled with the Holy Spirit and I speak in tongues for the glory and purpose of God. It's mine, I have it, and God always keeps his word to me."

When we start basing what we believe based on what we have yet to obtain though faith and patience, we are in trouble.

go after what is yours!!

Mike.

 

[Northman]

[MENTION=7377]Brother Mike[/MENTION] ok is this really happening on purpose? You really want to challenge the whole part about when or what gifts god gives out? Everything when he wants, not when anyone else says. You think this is something that hasnt been on my heart and mind for what seems like forever? Know how wierd it is to be able to partake of other gifts but have that one elude me? The nights almost passing out at the pews praying about it. Pressing isnt unknown. Maybe its like you yourself said and he gives as need. Need and not want. Is it something i or others need? The questions go on and on. Only god knows the answer, nobody else.

This is not about my being in disagreement with Jesus. This is not about my lack of patience. This is not about my simply not believing.

Entire point - If you dont know about a situation, ask dont tell.

 

[Brother Mike]

This is not about my being in disagreement with Jesus. This is not about my lack of patience. This is not about my simply not believing.

Entire point - If you dont know about a situation, ask dont tell.

what I am saying is that I have been in your shoes. People go up to the pulpit, get zapped with something then they are speaking like a Camel auctioneer in the Arab desert. I get that, been there and wondering where my gift of tongues was at.

You really want to challenge the whole part about when or what gifts god gives out?

Mar 16:17 And these signs shall follow them that believe; In my name shall they cast out devils; they shall speak with new tongues;

This is the only gift out of the 9 Paul mentioned for the Church setting that is mentioned Jesus said we can have if you believe on His name. If you believe on His name then you qualify for that gift .

Heb_4:1 Let us therefore fear, lest, a promise being left us of entering into his rest, any of you should seem to come short of it.

So if I don't obtain what I see in the Word, I don't stop, If God said it, then that settles it I get with God and figure out where I missed it at. I don't just blame God for not healing me, or not doing what He said He would do.

If God said it, then you can count on it and it US that get in the way, It's US that need to change. We don't stop, ever.

If something is yours, go after it, How long it takes does not matter or does time indicate the will of God on something.

Mike.

 

[Northman]

[MENTION=7377]Brother Mike[/MENTION] lol just say oops or something next time, dont carry on with the heavy after its figured out

 

[evenifigoalone]

I've never experienced it either. I know I've felt the Holy Spirit very strong at some points in my life. (I get away from that sometimes, for a little while. Trying to get back there.) Yet I've never spoken in tongues. Then again, back then I was totally against it.

Someone explained to me that speaking in tongues can be used to speak to God without satan listening in.

 

[Classik]

If tongues is human language then Satan understands it

 

[Jethro Bodine]

I don't speak in tongues. From my point of view it would be a welcome source of personal edification, but for me, twenty-seven years in, apparently God thinks otherwise:

"10...to another the distinguishing of spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, and to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 But one and the same Spirit works all these things, distributing to each one individually just as He wills." (1 Corinthians 12:10-11 NASB)

"4 God also testifying with them, both by signs and wonders and by various miracles and by gifts of the Holy Spirit according to His own will." (Hebrews 2:4 NASB)

Some say God is ALWAYS willing to give the gift of tongues. That's not what I see in scripture, nor in what actually happens in the church. This doesn't mean that I asked for the Holy Spirit and didn't receive (THAT request was indeed filled at my salvation). It means I have a different function in the Body. A different purpose to serve.


I have issues with some people who speak in tongues, not tongues itself. Besides what I just pointed out, maybe the biggest issue is that some think it is the supreme gift (which Paul says it is not), and that somehow the person who speaks in tongues also has the gifts of knowledge and understanding and wisdom and becomes very sure they are an authority in all things spiritual.

Right after that is the thinking that tongues is a measure of your favor with God. I've seen active tongues speakers who relied on that gift as validation that they were 'okay' with God while they indulged gross sin. No where that I'm aware of does the Bible say tongues is how we validate God's pleasure in us and what we're doing. But I am aware of where the Bible says what does--character, the fruit of the Spirit.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Some say God is ALWAYS willing to give the gift of tongues. That's not what I see in scripture, nor in what actually happens in the church. This doesn't mean that I asked for the Holy Spirit and didn't receive (THAT request was indeed filled at my salvation). It means I have a different function in the Body. A different purpose to serve.

I like your perspective. It's edifying and comforting to me.

Hmm...you just made me think.

So there are other sources of comfort and edification.

Thank you for inspiring that realization.

(Isn't it neat how this 'body' thing works, how we build each other up?)

 

[reba]

My grandma story again...it is short

All four of my Grandparents were Christians... All four spoke in tongues. Grandma both had some outstanding qualities

Moms mom was the classic grandma of the 50s ... She was sweet, kind, easy to be with Loved the Lord. She did not brag about HER gift. We could fine her kneeling beside her bed quietly praying some in tongues some english...

Dads mom was harsh and cold to us kids. Every thing she said was in the form of a command... writing this i hear 'Shut the hall door' .. When Scripture conversations would come up, which was very often, she had all the answers "well i have been speaking in tongues longer than you have been alive" She also loved the Lord... Blind from birth she would say Jesus will be the first face i see....

These 2 grandmas bring home what the word says...

1Co_13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

 

[Rollo Tamasi]

Some say God is ALWAYS willing to give the gift of tongues. That's not what I see in scripture, nor in what actually happens in the church. This doesn't mean that I asked for the Holy Spirit and didn't receive (THAT request was indeed filled at my salvation). It means I have a different function in the Body. A different purpose to serve.

I like your perspective. It's edifying and comforting to me.

Hmm...you just made me think.

So there are other sources of comfort and edification.

Thank you for inspiring that realization.

(Isn't it neat how this 'body' thing works, how we build each other up?)

Hey guys, don't give up on tongues, I was 13 years in before I got it.

Why?

Because I pursued it.

Why?

Because I knew there was more that went with it and I wanted more from God.

Paul says we should pursue the greater gifts.

Do you do that?

Scripture says to do that.

Is there anything wrong with pursuing the lesser gifts?

Certainly not.

We should be pursuing everything God has and don't stop until our last breath.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

1Co_13:1 Though I speak with the tongues of men and of angels, and have not charity, I am become as sounding brass, or a tinkling cymbal.

What do I need tongues for?

I can do this in plain English.

 

[iLOVE]

16"He who has believed and has been baptized shall be saved; but he who has disbelieved shall be condemned. 17"These signs will accompany those who have believed: in My name they will cast out demons, they will speak with new tongues; 18they will pick up serpents, and if they drink any deadly poison, it will not hurt them; they will lay hands on the sick, and they will recover." Mark 16:17 NASB

 

[Nick]

We just concluded a class. One of the sub topics treated was speaking in tongues. So, how should a Christian speak in tongues?

Well what do you think? What did you learn from the class?

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How should a Christian speak in tongues?

First and foremost, they need to have the gift:

1 Corinthians 12:4-11
4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.​

Second, in 1 Corinthians 14, Paul tells us we should speak in tongues if it can be understood by the Body, ie if it can be interpreted. See, for example, verse 19:

Nevertheless, in church I would rather speak five words with my mind in order to instruct others, than ten thousand words in a tongue.
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Furthermore, we must remember why we have spiritual gifts - they are for building up the Body. I love Paul's literal body illustration in 1 Corinthians 12. Each believer has a spiritual gift(s) and all are important and play a part in the Body. If they work against each other, or if we are prideful in using them, then we have conflict within the Body.

 

[Classik]

Interesting reply :waving

 

[Brother Mike]

What do I need tongues for?

I can do this in plain English.

If you believe on the name of Jesus, Jesus said you shall speak in new tongues....... Keep seeking.

Some here act as if its God holding back the gift of tongues, and that is not the case.

Mike.

 

[Sparkey]

I've read the thread. There may be something to add, but for the most part? This is an exceptional discussion of what is true as seen through various perspectives.

One day, perhaps soon, the Lord may open me to speak here. Until that day, may I say, that I very much appreciate each contributor to this discussion. I'm a passionate man and it is with gladness that each word spoken here is heard, appreciated, and whispered unto the heavens by one who sings, called Sparrow by some, but whose white stone name may have been spoken to him. This is my hope for each. Waiting on the Lord is a good thing...

Brothers? Sisters? Thank you, every one.

 

[Sparkey]

After reading get wisdom and understanding with all your getting and might in proverbs I have prayed for wisdom and understanding very much. I would hesitate to go around saying that I have the gift of wisdom though because it seems to me that another would first tell me that I am wise or have wisdom. That may not be something that one concludes about themselves for obvious reasons.

If you lack wisdom? Ask. God gives liberally (freely) and without reproach (He doesn't say, "HEY! What did you do with the last bit o' Wisdom I gave you, huh?). BUT - let it be asked with faith, nothing doubting. Double minded men get nothing from God.

I like the comparison between Wisdom and the formal Gift of Wisdom. But before we study the 9 Gifts of the Holy Spirit, we need to come to consensus regarding a "working definition" for what the Baptism of the Holy Spirit is or could mean. During this discussion there will be some who say that the HS is given to all at the moment of salvation. Some will say, no, brother, that is not the case.

But before we have a working definition and some agreement, we may not travel down that path and examine what comes later. First: are the terms, "Promise of the Father" and the "Baptism of the Holy Ghost" and "Poured out" and "Filled" and other such references linked? There is a very deep study, all the way down to the Greek tense of various words that can be brought to shed light, but this forum isn't really the place for it.

Better to meet in each other's living room and actually touch hands while we pray and seek Him.

Again, this thread has some marvelous insight (so far).

~Sparrow

 

[farouk]

In Christ, we have the full revelation of the mind of God in the Scriptures already. What we need day by day is the filling of the Spirit Who indwells us, not new revelation. Guidance, certainly, but the truth is to be found in the Scriptures authoritatively.

Blessings.

 

[gr8grace]

We just concluded a class. One of the sub topics treated was speaking in tongues. So, how should a Christian speak in tongues?

In this class, did anyone ask these questions?

1.What was the purpose of tongues?

2. What did God want to accomplish through the spiritual gift of tongues?