It’s not biblical!

[donadams]

It is not biblical!

Your side claims it is biblical, but it ain’t biblical!

There are many verses in opposition to it!

So it not biblical!

Does not matter what you argue, it is simply not biblical!

 

[dwb001]

But it's in the Bible.

 

[for_his_glory]

??? what are you talking about that is not Biblical

 

[donadams]

What is the “it”?

that post was an experiment to see who would assume they know what the “it” is!

like they do with the “it” in
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

“It” is not the finished work of Christ as some claim!

the “it” of Jn 19:30 is the Passover sacrifice!

1. Luke 22:15
   And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passoverwith you before I suffer:
   
   
2. John 13:1
   Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
3. 1 Corinthians 5:6-8
   Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
   
   
   
4. “It is finished” are the words the high priest is to say at the consummation of the Passover sacrifice!

 

[for_his_glory]

"It is finished" is the works of Christ for God's purpose of reconciling ourselves back to Him by His free gift of grace through faith that was the finished works of Christ when He gave up the Ghost and God raised Him the third day as He ascended up to heaven to sit at the right hand of God who makes intercession for us before the Father.

There is no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking for of judgement and fiery indignation.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

What is the “it”?

that post was an experiment to see who would assume they know what the “it” is!

like they do with the “it” in
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

“It” is not the finished work of Christ as some claim!

the “it” of Jn 19:30 is the Passover sacrifice!

1. Luke 22:15
   And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passoverwith you before I suffer:
   
   
2. John 13:1
   Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
3. 1 Corinthians 5:6-8
   Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
   
   
   
4. “It is finished” are the words the high priest is to say at the consummation of the Passover sacrifice!

There's no need to stir up unnecessary controversy.
Christ's sacrifice was the sacrifice to end all sacrifice for sin. He finished the entire Mosaic system of sacrifice for sin. All of it, not just the Passover sacrifice.

Hebrews 10:17-18
17...“Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.”
18And where these have been forgiven, an offering for sin is no longer needed.

Hebrews 10:14
14because by a single offering He has made perfect for all time those who are being sanctified.

 

[wondering]

What is the “it”?

that post was an experiment to see who would assume they know what the “it” is!

like they do with the “it” in
John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

“It” is not the finished work of Christ as some claim!

the “it” of Jn 19:30 is the Passover sacrifice!

1. Luke 22:15
   And he said unto them, With desire I have desired to eat this passoverwith you before I suffer:
   
   
2. John 13:1
   Now before the feast of the passover, when Jesus knew that his hour was come that he should depart out of this world unto the Father, having loved his own which were in the world, he loved them unto the end.
3. 1 Corinthians 5:6-8
   Your glorying is not good. Know ye not that a little leaven leaveneth the whole lump? Purge out therefore the old leaven, that ye may be a new lump, as ye are unleavened. For even Christ our passover is sacrificed for us: Therefore let us keep the feast, not with old leaven, neither with the leaven of malice and wickedness; but with the unleavened bread of sincerity and truth.
   
   
   
4. “It is finished” are the words the high priest is to say at the consummation of the Passover sacrifice!

OK
But you didn't explain what the IT is...
Please try again.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

OK
But you didn't explain what the IT is...
Please try again.

Here.

John 19:30
When Jesus therefore had received the vinegar, he said, It is finished: and he bowed his head, and gave up the ghost.

“It” is not the finished work of Christ as some claim!

 

[donadams]

"It is finished" is the works of Christ for God's purpose of reconciling ourselves back to Him by His free gift of grace through faith that was the finished works of Christ when He gave up the Ghost and God raised Him the third day as He descended up to heaven to sit at the right hand of God who makes intercession for us before the Father.

There is no more sacrifice for sin but a fearful looking for of judgement and fiery indignation.

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

True but the sacrifice of Christ is eternal!
What is lacking in the sufferings of Christ?

 

[for_his_glory]

donadams what is your agenda for this thread?

 

[donadams]

There's no need to stir up unnecessary controversy.
Christ's sacrifice was the sacrifice to end all sacrifice for sin. He finished the entire Mosaic system of sacrifice for sin. All of it, not just the Passover sacrifice.

Hebrews 10:17-18
17...“Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more.”
18And where these have been forgiven, an offering for sin is no longer needed.

Hebrews 10:14
14because by a single offering He has made perfect for all time those who are being sanctified.

True but by changing it to the new covenant Passover sacrifice which is eternal!

 

[donadams]

OK
But you didn't explain what the IT is...
Please try again.

See post 4

 

[for_his_glory]

True but the sacrifice of Christ is eternal!
What is lacking in the sufferings of Christ?

So He is till suffering on the cross for us? Does He continue to be crucified forever?

 

[for_his_glory]

Heb 10:26 For if we sin wilfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remaineth no more sacrifice for sins,
Heb 10:27 But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.
Heb 10:28 He that despised Moses' law died without mercy under two or three witnesses:
Heb 10:29 Of how much sorer punishment, suppose ye, shall he be thought worthy, who hath trodden under foot the Son of God, and hath counted the blood of the covenant, wherewith he was sanctified, an unholy thing, and hath done despite unto the Spirit of grace?
Heb 10:30 For we know him that hath said, Vengeance belongeth unto me, I will recompense, saith the Lord. And again, The Lord shall judge his people.
Heb 10:31 It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.

 

[wondering]

Here.

Jethro,
The other poster didn't explain what the IT is...
I don't think I missed his post...

 

[for_his_glory]

True but the sacrifice of Christ is eternal!
What is lacking in the sufferings of Christ?

God's grace through Christ is eternal as now Jesus sits at the right hand of God making intercession for us.

Christ is our advocate, not the Pope, not the Priest, not the Pastor and not Mary as there is nowhere in scripture that says we are to pray to Mary, but Christ alone.

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous:
1Jn 2:2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world.
1Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him.
1Jn 2:5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.
1Jn 2:6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

 

[wondering]

See post 4

OK
I read post 4 two times.
You said what IT isn't...
but I don't think you stated very clearly what IT is.

Could you be more clear please?

 

[Jethro Bodine]

What is lacking in the sufferings of Christ?

The sufferings of the members of his body...US!

 

[Jethro Bodine]

True but by changing it to the new covenant Passover sacrifice which is eternal!

He is the fulfillment of ALL the old covenant sacrifices for sin and reconciliation to God, not just the Passover sacrifice. For example, the Day of Atonement:

Hebrews 13:11-12
11Although the high priest brings the blood of animals into the Holy Place as a sacrifice for sin, the bodies are burned outside the camp. 12And so Jesus also suffered outside the city gate, to sanctify the people by His own blood.

 

[wondering]

The sufferings of the members of his body...US!

I believe the above is close to what donadams is considering.
He also might be speaking about the 4th cup...

Looked up a verse in different versions:

New International Version
Now I rejoice in what I am suffering for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is still lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions, for the sake of his body, which is the church.

New Living Translation
I am glad when I suffer for you in my body, for I am participating in the sufferings of Christ that continue for his body, the church.

English Standard Version
Now I rejoice in my sufferings for your sake, and in my flesh I am filling up what is lacking in Christ’s afflictions for the sake of his body, that is, the church,

Berean Standard Bible
Now I rejoice in my sufferings for you, and I fill up in my flesh what is lacking in regard to Christ’s afflictions for the sake of His body, which is the church.

Berean Literal Bible
Now I rejoice in the sufferings for you, and I am filling up in my flesh that which is lacking of the tribulations of Christ for His body, which is the church,

King James Bible
Who now rejoice in my sufferings for you, and fill up that which is behind of the afflictions of Christ in my flesh for his body's sake, which is the church: