(THE) said:
Who was Jesus talking to when he said "in the synagogues you will be beaten"?
He was talking to the disciples about the generation of the fig tree......
Mat 24:3 And when
he is sitting on the mount of the Olives,
the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what is the sign of thy presence, and of the full end of the age?' (YLT)
Mat 24:4
And Jesus answering said to them,
`Take heed that no one may lead you astray,
Mat 24:32
Now learn a parable of the fig tree; When his branch is yet tender, and putteth forth leaves, ye know that summer is nigh:
Mat 24:33
So likewise ye, when ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors.
Go back to the start of the chapter. Who's he talking to? He told the disciples that when they saw these things, take note of it, because it is close. He didn't say, "the people living in that time take note," or "when 'They' see all these things, they will know it is near," he said, "when
you," and Peter and James and John were standing right there.
Jesus could have phrased in a lot of different ways to make it inexplicably clear, but he didn't. He said "you" right to the disciples faces. Lol.
The parable of the fig tree was not a reference to a far future event. It was an example for them explained in terms they could understand.
Christ said all the things spoken of would happen in 1 generation and that generation wont pass until all those things are fulfilled.....
The temple was destroyed in 1 generation, yes.
30Verily I say unto you, that this generation shall not pass, till all these things be done.
If I go down the line,,,can you prove every event has already happened????????
With notes from historians who lived in that day, most can be proven.
If so I would ask when did this happen????
14But when ye shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, standing where it ought not, (let him that readeth understand,) then let them that be in Judaea flee to the mountains:
Flee Judaea. Jerusalem was in the province of Judaea. The Roman legions and their auxiliary legions would be there. They killed almost everyone.
Mat 24:15
When ye therefore shall see the abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel the prophet, stand in the holy place, (whoso readeth, let him understand
Mat 24:15
"So when you see the destructive desecration, mentioned by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place (let the reader take note), (ISV)
Luk 21:20
But when ye see Jerusalem compassed with armies, then know that her desolation is at hand.
Desolation
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From G2049; despoliation: - desolation.
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From G2048; to lay waste (literally or figuratively): - (bring to, make) desolate (-ion), come to nought.
Commentaries
The reference here is probably to the occupation of the temple precincts by the idolatrous Romans under Titus, with their standards and ensigns. Josephus says that, after the burning of the temple the Romans brought their ensigns and set them over against the eastern gate, and there they offered sacrifices to them, and declared Titus, with acclamations, to be emperor.
Marvin R. Vincent, D.D.
Baldwin Professor of Sacred Literature in Union Theological Seminary New York.
Mat 24:15 When ye see the abomination of desolation - Daniel's term is, The abomination that maketh desolate, Dan_11:31; that is, the standards of the desolating legions, on which they bear the abominable images of their idols: Standing in the holy place - Not only the temple and the mountain on which it stood, but the whole city of Jerusalem, and several furlongs of land round about it, were accounted holy; particularly the mount on which our Lord now sat, and on which the Romans afterward planted their ensigns. He that readeth let him understand - Whoever reads that prophecy of Daniel, let him deeply consider it. Mar_13:14; Luk_21:20; Dan_9:27.
John Wesley's Explanatory Notes on the Whole Bible
Mat 24:15
The abomination of desolation - This is a Hebrew expression, meaning an abominable or hateful destroyer. The Gentiles were all held in abomination by the Jews, Act_10:28. The abomination of desolation means the Roman army, and is so explained by Luk_21:20. The Roman army is further called the “abomination†on account of the images of the emperor, and the eagles, carried in front of the legions, and regarded by the Romans with divine honors.
Spoken of by Daniel the prophet - Dan_9:26-27; Dan_11:31; Dan_12:11, see the notes at those passages.
Standing in the holy place - Mark says, standing where it ought not,†meaning the same thing. All Jerusalem was esteemed “holy,†Mat_4:5. The meaning of this is, when you see the Roman armies standing in the holy city or encamped around the temple, or the Roman ensigns or standards in the temple. Josephus relates that when the city was taken, the Romans brought their idols into the temple, and placed them over the eastern gate, and sacrificed to them there, “Jewish Wars,†b. 6 chapter 6, section 1.
Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Albert Barnes (1798-1870)
Mat 24:15
The abomination of desolation, spoken of by Daniel - This abomination of desolation, St. Luke, (Luk_21:20, Luk_21:21), refers to the Roman army; and this abomination standing in the holy place is the Roman army besieging Jerusalem;
Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible
Adam Clarke, LL.D., F.S.A., (1715-1832)
the Roman army is designed; see Luk_21:20 which was the ??? ?????? ????, "the wing", or "army of abominations making desolate", Dan_9:27. Armies are called wings, Isa_8:8 and the Roman armies were desolating ones to the Jews, and to whom they were an abomination; not only because they consisted of Heathen men, and uncircumcised persons, but chiefly because of the images of their gods, which were upon their ensigns: for images and idols were always an abomination to them; so the "filthiness" which Hezekiah ordered to be carried out of the holy place, 2Ch_29:5 is by the Targum called, ??????, "an abomination"; and this, by the Jewish writers (w), is said to be an idol,
John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
Dr. John Gill (1690-1771)
Most commentators already believe Jesus was talking about the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD here.
and this??????
26And then shall they see the Son of man coming in the clouds with great power and glory.
27And then shall he send his angels, and shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from the uttermost part of the earth to the uttermost part of heaven.
Yes, this would have happened over Jerusalem or Judaea. The people still alive there would have seen it. The whole thing is about Jerusalem and the Jews.
Mat 24:30
And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth (LAND) mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
All the tribes of the earth mourn - That is, either all the “tribes or people†of the land of Judea shall mourn at the great calamities coming upon them, or all the nations of the world shall wail when he comes to judgment. All the wicked shall mourn at the prospect of their doom, Rev_1:7. The cause of their wailing at the day of judgment will be chiefly that they have pierced, killed, rejected the Saviour, and that they deserve the condemnation that is coming upon them, Joh_19:37; Zec_12:12.
And they shall see the Son of man - The Lord Jesus coming to judgment. Probably this refers more directly to his coming at the last day, though it may also mean that the “evidence†of his coming to destroy Jerusalem will then be seen.
Albert Barnes' Notes on the Bible
Albert Barnes (1798-1870)
Mat 24:30
Then shall appear the sign of the Son of man - The plain meaning of this is, that the destruction of Jerusalem will be such a remarkable instance of Divine vengeance, such a signal manifestation of Christ’s power and glory, that all the Jewish tribes shall mourn, and many will, in consequence of this manifestation of God, be led to acknowledge Christ and his religion. By ??? ???, of the land, in the text, is evidently meant here, as in several other places, the land of Judea and its tribes, either its then inhabitants, or the Jewish people wherever found.
Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible
Adam Clarke, LL.D., F.S.A., (1715-1832)
And then shall the tribes of the earth, or land,
mourn; that is, the land of Judea; for other lands, and countries, were not usually divided into tribes, as that was; neither were they affected with the calamities and desolations of it, and the vengeance of the son of man upon it; at least not so as to mourn on that account, but rather were glad and rejoiced:
and they shall see the son of man coming in the clouds of heaven, with power and great glory. The Arabic version reads it, "ye shall see", as is expressed by Christ, in Mat_26:64. Where the high priest, chief priests, Scribes, and elders, and the whole sanhedrim of the Jews are spoken to: and as the same persons, namely, the Jews, are meant here as there; so the same coming of the son of man is intended; not his coming at the last day to judgment; though that will be in the clouds of heaven, and with great power and glory; but his coming to bring on, and give the finishing stroke to the destruction of that people, which was a dark and cloudy dispensation to them: and when they felt the power of his arm, might, if not blind and stupid to the last degree, see the glory of his person, that he was more than a mere man,
John Gill's Exposition of the Entire Bible
Dr. John Gill (1690-1771)
Remeber all these things happen in one generation,,,,so there is no way we can say some of the events happened in 70ad while we are still waiting for the rest of them to transpire....
1,939 years is a very long generation dont you think.......
[quote:3rgi2jqq]29So ye in like manner, when ye shall see these things come to pass, know that it is nigh, even at the doors.
at the doors??????? you mean this has been nigh and at the doors for 1,939 years,,,maybe someone cant find the key.....[/quote:3rgi2jqq]
Jesus told the scribes and pharisees that he would be back to kill them
Mar 12:1 And he began to speak unto them by parables.
A certain man planted a vineyard, and set an hedge about it, and digged a place for the winefat, and built a tower, and let it out to husbandmen, and went into a far country.
Mar 12:2
And at the season he sent to the husbandmen a servant, that he might receive from the husbandmen of the fruit of the vineyard.
Mar 12:3
And they caught him, and beat him, and sent him away empty.
Mar 12:4
And again he sent unto them another servant; and at him they cast stones, and wounded him in the head, and sent him away shamefully handled.
Mar 12:5
And again he sent another; and him they killed, and many others; beating some, and killing some.
Mar 12:6
Having yet therefore one son, his wellbeloved, he sent him also last unto them, saying, They will reverence my son.
Mar 12:7
But those husbandmen said among themselves, This is the heir; come, let us kill him, and the inheritance shall be ours.
Mar 12:8
And they took him, and killed him, and cast him out of the vineyard.
Mar 12:9
What shall therefore the lord of the vineyard do?
he will come
and destroy the husbandmen,
and will give the vineyard unto others.
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It's obvious these things had to have happened. Jesus said they would and he said they would happen in the time of the disciples. It's just not what most people thought it would be. :yes Too many scary movies about being "left behind," and some overblown imaginations. ;)
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