Jesus Died For You To Be Saved

[Hopeful 2]

We can make salvation very complicated, or we can take the Scripture for what it says.

Christ said the man went home justified. I'll take Him at His word.

Please remember that the situation on question was a parable.
It was meant as a lesson about true humility.
It wasn't a pattern for salvation.

If that publican went out and started cheating and stealing again, his fate would be dire.

 

[Frank Broom]

That prayer will save nobody.
Where was the repentance from sin ?
Where was the washing away of past sins ?
Where is the mentioning of enduring faithfully until the end ?

Hopeful 2 The scriptures says different Romans 10:9,10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. Repentance means a change of mind, people think repentance means crying and pleading, but it doesn't. When a person comes to Christ their sins are washed away. And a person has to first receive Jesus before they can be faithful until the end. Thanks!

 

[electedbyhim]

What are Christians saved from?

I will say from God's Holy wrath.

 

[Charlie24]

Please remember that the situation on question was a parable.
It was meant as a lesson about true humility.
It wasn't a pattern for salvation.

If that publican went out and started cheating and stealing again, his fate would be dire.

It doesn't matter that it was a parable. Christ gave the illustration of one admitting he was a sinner and asking for mercy.

Christ said that man went home justified, it's as simple as that.

Salvation comes from the heart, as Paul said. Many have been saved by the sinners prayer.

 

[journeyman]

journeyman when the scripture says Jesus bore our sins it means just that. The scripture says he bore our sins in his own body.

Hello Frank Broom.
I know. I'm wondering now if you know under Moses' law, the Messiah was being sinned against by the way He was mistreated. Do you understand that?

Just as in the old testament God instituted the scapegoat offering that when the priest laid his hands on the head of the goat and confessed the sins of the people the sins of the people were put on the head of the goat. That's what Jesus did our sins were put on him. Thanks

You're more than welcome, but the scape goat wasn't put to death. The sinner confesses his sin over the living goat, placing them on his head because the sinner inflicted his sin on the goat that previously slain. Both goats are figures of Jesus. He goes in Spirit with a fit man (a believer) into the wilderness (the world.)

 

[miamited]

journeyman when the scripture says Jesus bore our sins it means just that. The scripture says he bore our sins in his own body. Just as in the old testament God instituted the scapegoat offering that when the priest laid his hands on the head of the goat and confessed the sins of the people the sins of the people were put on the head of the goat. That's what Jesus did our sins were put on him. Thanks

 

[Hopeful 2]

Hopeful 2 The scriptures says different Romans 10:9,10
That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved. 10 For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.

That "confession" is the use of the name of Jesus Christ at water baptism "in the name of Jesus Christ" for the remission of past sins.

Repentance means a change of mind, people think repentance means crying and pleading, but it doesn't.

Agreed on both points, but if a sinner "changes", doesn't that change entail a turn from sin ?
They are repenting of sin, aren't they ?

When a person comes to Christ their sins are washed away. And a person has to first receive Jesus before they can be faithful until the end. Thanks!

The only place/time sin is washed away, is at the baptism mentioned above; and commanded by Peter in Acts 2:38.

 

[Hopeful 2]

It doesn't matter that it was a parable. Christ gave the illustration of one admitting he was a sinner and asking for mercy.

Admission without a change results in nothing.

Christ said that man went home justified, it's as simple as that.

Please remember that Jesus was talking to OT men during the OT.
They had no chance to be reborn so they could start walking in the Spirit instead of in the "flesh".
More is expected of us now in the NT.

Salvation comes from the heart, as Paul said.

Salvation will be the result of a true repentance from sin, and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, and the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Many have been saved by the sinners prayer.

Nobody will be "saved" until the book of life is opened and our names are found in it.
And that prayer is a waste of time.
It is written..."Now we know that God heareth not sinners:.." (John 9:31)
Until a man truly repents of sin, he won't be heard by God.
Let 'em say the prayer after they turn from sin !

 

[Runningman]

Runningman This is not universalism, God wants everyone saved. He doesn't have to make anyone savable everyone is savable otherwise you are saying what Jesus did was not enough. Anyone that does as God's word says Romans 10:9,10 will be saved.

Yes God wants everyone saved but there are conditions on that. Romans 10:9,10 is one of them.

 

[Charlie24]

Admission without a change results in nothing.

Please remember that Jesus was talking to OT men during the OT.
They had no chance to be reborn so they could start walking in the Spirit instead of in the "flesh".
More is expected of us now in the NT.

Salvation will be the result of a true repentance from sin, and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, and the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Nobody will be "saved" until the book of life is opened and our names are found in it.
And that prayer is a waste of time.
It is written..."Now we know that God heareth not sinners:.." (John 9:31)
Until a man truly repents of sin, he won't be heard by God.
Let 'em say the prayer after they turn from sin !

The change took place in the heart first, the result is salvation.

What did Paul say is salvation?

Rom. 10:9-10

"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.

For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Salvation comes from within the honest heart.

You are making salvation very difficult to obtain! All the if's, do's, don'ts.

Only God knows if the heart is true toward Him. In that true heart is repentance, a change of mind that results in salvation, and that results in a seen change of ways.

 

[Hopeful 2]

The change took place in the heart first, the result is salvation.

The eventual result will be salvation, but we still have the "race" to run until out last day.

What did Paul say is salvation?
Rom. 10:9-10
"That if thou shalt confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and shalt believe in thine heart that God hath raised him from the dead, thou shalt be saved.
For with the heart man believeth unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation."

Yep, confession and belief precede salvation.
So do repentance from sin, and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, and reception of the Holy Ghost...and enduring faithfully until the end !

Salvation comes from within the honest heart.

I agree.
Without an honest heart, we would get nothing from God.

You are making salvation very difficult to obtain! All the if's, do's, don'ts.

Jesus left us two commandments.
Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength...and love your neighbor as you love yourself.
His apostles gave us the means of accomplishing that.
Did you really think that by saying two words, your soul would be untouchable ?
The devils believe, and tremble !

Only God knows if the heart is true toward Him. In that true heart is repentance, a change of mind that results in salvation, and that results in a seen change of ways.

Agreed.
Without repentance, from sin, man will not find his name in the book of life on the last day.
Without baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, there will be no walking in the Spirit.

 

[Charlie24]

The eventual result will be salvation, but we still have the "race" to run until out last day.

Yep, confession and belief precede salvation.
So do repentance from sin, and baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, and reception of the Holy Ghost...and enduring faithfully until the end !

I agree.
Without an honest heart, we would get nothing from God.

Jesus left us two commandments.
Love God with all your heart, soul, mind, and strength...and love your neighbor as you love yourself.
His apostles gave us the means of accomplishing that.
Did you really think that by saying two words, your soul would be untouchable ?
The devils believe, and tremble !

Agreed.
Without repentance, from sin, man will not find his name in the book of life on the last day.
Without baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins, there will be no walking in the Spirit.

Sins are not washed away in water! They are washed away by the Blood of the Lamb!

The water is a symbol of the washing away of sins.

The actual washing away of sins is in the spiritual realm and cannot be seen.

The ceremony of water baptism in the name of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, is the visible evidence of sin being washed away.

Water baptism is your personal testimony that you have died with Christ, been buried with Christ, and have risen with Christ a new man.

 

[Hopeful 2]

Sins are not washed away in water! They are washed away by the Blood of the Lamb!

Right, and that happens at water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
It is also where the old man is destroyed and we are raised from Christ's tomb with Jesus so we can walk in newness of life...reborn. (Rom 6:3-&)

The water is a symbol of the washing away of sins.

1 John 5:8says..."And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
They are one and the same, during water baptism in Jesus' name for the forgiveness of past sins.

The actual washing away of sins is in the spiritual realm and cannot be seen.

We have our part to play.

The ceremony of water baptism in the name of the Father, the Son, the Holy Spirit, is the visible evidence of sin being washed away.

I don't really call obedience to God a ceremony, but it is when and where my past sins were washed away. (Acts 22:16)

Water baptism is your personal testimony that you have died with Christ, been buried with Christ, and have risen with Christ a new man.

For me, it was the event where I was made clean; destroyed and made new.

 

[Hopeful 2]

What are Christians saved from?

I will say from God's Holy wrath.

Saved from sinning.

 

[Charlie24]

Right, and that happens at water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.
It is also where the old man is destroyed and we are raised from Christ's tomb with Jesus so we can walk in newness of life...reborn. (Rom 6:3-&)

1 John 5:8says..."And there are three that bear witness in earth, the Spirit, and the water, and the blood: and these three agree in one."
They are one and the same, during water baptism in Jesus' name for the forgiveness of past sins.

We have our part to play.

I don't really call obedience to God a ceremony, but it is when and where my past sins were washed away. (Acts 22:16)

For me, it was the event where I was made clean; destroyed and made new.

Salvation is purely an act of God in the spiritual realm.

Paul calls it the "operation of God" and the "circumcision made without hands."

This is the "baptism into Christ" that Paul speaks of in Romans 6. It is not water baptism but a spiritual baptism.

Not immersed in water but immersed in Him, spiritually.

Col. 10-13

"And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:

In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;"

 

[Hopeful 2]

Salvation is purely an act of God in the spiritual realm.

Sure.
Its manifestation occurs here on earth, and is witnessed by our actions.

Paul calls it the "operation of God" and the "circumcision made without hands."

The "circumcision" made without hands is indeed an operation of God.
But without our actual baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins, the operation of God is stymied.
Our obedience to Jesus, and to Peter, is essential.

This is the "baptism into Christ" that Paul speaks of in Romans 6. It is not water baptism but a spiritual baptism.

You are incorrect on both counts.
If either is the baptism of the Spirit...a gift from God...how is Rom 6:5 applied ?
Rom 6:5..."For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:"
Where is this "planting" in baptism of the Spirit ?

Not immersed in water but immersed in Him, spiritually.

The unclean cannot be immersed in anything Godly.

Col. 10-13
"And ye are complete in him, which is the head of all principality and power:
In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:
Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.
And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;"

If the baptism of Rom 6 is the baptism of the Spirit, it must have allowed you to be free of sin.
Has it ?
Baptism using water in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins will ! (If the repentance from sin was true.)
It is written...“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom. 6:6-7)
"Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." (Rom 6:18)
"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Rom 6:22)

 

[Charlie24]

Sure.
Its manifestation occurs here on earth, and is witnessed by our actions.

The "circumcision" made without hands is indeed an operation of God.
But without our actual baptism in Jesus' name for the remission of past sins, the operation of God is stymied.
Our obedience to Jesus, and to Peter, is essential.

You are incorrect on both counts.
If either is the baptism of the Spirit...a gift from God...how is Rom 6:5 applied ?
Rom 6:5..."For if we have been planted together in the likeness of his death, we shall be also in the likeness of his resurrection:"
Where is this "planting" in baptism of the Spirit ?

The unclean cannot be immersed in anything Godly.

If the baptism of Rom 6 is the baptism of the Spirit, it must have allowed you to be free of sin.
Has it ?
Baptism using water in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins will ! (If the repentance from sin was true.)
It is written...“Knowing this, that our old man is crucified with him, that the body of sin might be destroyed, that henceforth we should not serve sin. For he that is dead is freed from sin.” (Rom. 6:6-7)
"Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness." (Rom 6:18)
"But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life." (Rom 6:22)

OK, then your water baptism is of necessity to be saved. You're depending on another man to perform a ceremony on your behalf for you to be saved. That is a work based salvation.

Our Lord commanded us to be water baptized not out of necessity for our sins to be forgiven, but to confess our union with Him in His death, burial, and resurrection.

I was water baptized in the name of the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit for a completely different reason than you.

 

[LeviR]

LeviR Jesus was not in Adam when he sinned or else he would had a sin nature, that's why the seed came from God.

There is only one kind of nature of mortal man, sinful nature.
Man is the only creature with a sin nature because he is the only creature under law.
The law of sin and death says that in Adam all die.
I don’t following the false teachers in the RCC and Protestant churches, as you seem to.

 

[Runningman]

There is only one kind of nature of mortal man, sinful nature.
Man is the only creature with a sin nature because he is the only creature under law.
The law of sin and death says that in Adam all die.
I don’t following the false teachers in the RCC and Protestant churches, as you seem to.

That's true. According to his genealogy he was descended from Adam. I believe people get that idea that since Jesus was sinless that he must have been God. That isn't it. It's that Jesus is a man who overcame the world because God is his Father. We, too, can overcome the world if God is our Father. We can escape the corruption in the world, escape evil desires, and partake directly of the divine nature, just like Jesus did, and overcome the world.

I think at some point early on, people realized that there is nothing easy about real Christianity and began changing things around to make it more attractive and easier. I've identified several false doctrines that they use to prop up the doctrine about Jesus being God and one of them, of course, is the doctrine about original sin. Jesus wasn't born a sinner, after all, then neither are we.

 

[LeviR]

That's true. According to his genealogy he was descended from Adam. I believe people get that idea that since Jesus was sinless that he must have been God. That isn't it. It's that Jesus is a man who overcame the world because God is his Father. We, too, can overcome the world if God is our Father. We can escape the corruption in the world, escape evil desires, and partake directly of the divine nature, just like Jesus did, and overcome the world.

I think at some point early on, people realized that there is nothing easy about real Christianity and began changing things around to make it more attractive and easier. I've identified several false doctrines that they use to prop up the doctrine about Jesus being God and one of them, of course, is the doctrine about original sin. Jesus wasn't born a sinner, after all, then neither are we.

A man being drawn away and enticed by his own desires is the definition of a sinful nature and temptation.
Without law there is no sin, and sin is the transgression of the law of God.
The fact that Jesus was tempted in all ways as we are, shows that his nature was sinful just as ours.
The only difference is that he overcame that nature by not sinning himself.
To say his nature was different than ours is to say he was not under the law of sin and death. If not under the law of sin and death he would not be mortal. But he was, and that’s why he was.
Those who deny this, rob Jesus of his glory in overcoming the world.