Jesus Is God: Part 1

[Corinth77777]

So are we to believe that the Son as He was creating the universe and during His act of forming Adam, was a man?

I think we have three possibilities:
1) The Son, a Spirit being put on the skin suit of an embryo, without any genetic connection to Adam and had an
un-fallen nature.
2) The Son as a Spirit being, at the point of conception became one with a human embryo and a descendent of David with either a fallen nature or un-fallen nature.
3) The Son who is a Spirit being entered humanity as the Seed of the woman and was passed on to every child of Adam to be a very personal and intimate Savior, Advocate, sin bearer and Redeemer while dwelling within humanity to give us Himself to replace that spiritual connection which had perished in Eden at the fall of mankind. He has condescended to the sacrifice of bearing the sin of the world ever since, in an effort to draw us back to God. He has covenanted to be within us forever as He is our eternal life.
Obviously, I choose number 3.
I ask, is there anything that is drastically erroneous or that would lead one astray from God in that belief?

Ephesians 4:5-6

King James Version

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5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

 

[Randy]

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I sent article after article for those wanting to go deeper.

I explained already how I believed there was a difference.

Im not dogmatic when I'm learning in areas I don't understand. But I explained the difference by giving an example. Hypothetical situation here:

Your daughter is unmarried her name is Jane Ford. She get's married her name is now Jane Reed. What is different? Are Jane Ford and Jane Reed different names? Yes! But why Her Status changed, Roles changed, union changed and much more.

Hence, there is Something different about Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit.

The positioning of Christ on earth before his resurrection vs after He rsurrected.

Restored Glory
full Authority etc

Now as what it all entails I don't know.
But it is said to be the Power of the resurrected body of Christ.

Meaning one operating in full faith can operate in the resurrected power of the Son, the Holyghost.

Teach them baptizing them in Reality, The name of the father, son, and Holyghost. The presence of God.( my words )


It's all about learning. I wish we all had it right the first time.. like you smile

Now you're talking
What is another Advocate?
Is it Jesus in a different form?
Who is the Spirit of truth?

That is where I left off on this journey

Lets see what scripture says by the article I left..Ill share it later to those reading



John 14:6

I have no reason to seek another teaching as I know the truth from the testimony and any alternate teaching that states different is a false teaching.

Jesus stated what the advocate was the "Spirit of Truth". The point was it was stated as "another". How can Jesus's ghost be another than Jesus Himself? You keep failing to answer these questions with scripture.

Why would the Father give us Jesus's Ghost and why would Jesus need to receive His own Spirit from the Father to pour out? How about answering these questions?

As shown before Jesus was crucified the Spirit was among His disciples. How then can that be His "ghost"?
But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

The source is the Father not Jesus. The Fathers promise.
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. So why do ask what is the Spirit of truth? God states its His Spirit. In the last days I will pour out "MY" Spirit...

There is no teaching from Jesus or His Apostles that Jesus's Ghost indwells us.

 

[Randy]

.

I sent article after article for those wanting to go deeper.

I explained already how I believed there was a difference.

Im not dogmatic when I'm learning in areas I don't understand. But I explained the difference by giving an example. Hypothetical situation here:

Your daughter is unmarried her name is Jane Ford. She get's married her name is now Jane Reed. What is different? Are Jane Ford and Jane Reed different names? Yes! But why Her Status changed, Roles changed, union changed and much more.

Hence, there is Something different about Holy Ghost and Holy Spirit.

The positioning of Christ on earth before his resurrection vs after He rsurrected.

Restored Glory
full Authority etc

Now as what it all entails I don't know.
But it is said to be the Power of the resurrected body of Christ.

Meaning one operating in full faith can operate in the resurrected power of the Son, the Holyghost.

Teach them baptizing them in Reality, The name of the father, son, and Holyghost. The presence of God.( my words )


It's all about learning. I wish we all had it right the first time.. like you smile

Now you're talking
What is another Advocate?
Is it Jesus in a different form?
Who is the Spirit of truth?

That is where I left off on this journey

Lets see what scripture says by the article I left..Ill share it later to those reading



John 14:6

How is this NOT through Jesus? Born from above by the Spirit.
Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God– children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

All things from the Father and all things through the Son.

 

[Corinth77777]

I have no reason to seek another teaching as I know the truth from the testimony and any alternate teaching that states different is a false teaching.

Jesus stated what the advocate was the "Spirit of Truth". The point was it was stated as "another". How can Jesus's ghost be another than Jesus Himself? You keep failing to answer these questions with scripture.

Why would the Father give us Jesus's Ghost and why would Jesus need to receive His own Spirit from the Father to pour out? How about answering these questions?

As shown before Jesus was crucified the Spirit was among His disciples. How then can that be His "ghost"?
But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

The source is the Father not Jesus. The Fathers promise.
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17 the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit. So why do ask what is the Spirit of truth? God states its His Spirit. In the last days I will pour out "MY" Spirit...

There is no teaching from Jesus or His Apostles that Jesus's Ghost indwells us.

How is this NOT through Jesus?

who said it wasn't? Lost me

Born from above by the Spirit.
Yet to all who received him, to those who believed in his name, he gave the right to become children of God– children born not of natural descent, nor of human decision or a husband's will, but born of God.

All things from the Father and all things through the Son.

 

[Randy]

Ephesians 4:5-6​

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King James Version​

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5 One Lord, one faith, one baptism,
6 One God and Father of all, who is above all, and through all, and in you all.

The Son who was, His Spirit, was in the body prepared for Him.
"Father into your hands I commit My spirit"
The Fathers Spirit was living in Him.
They are ONE.

Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

 

[Randy]

who said it wasn't? Lost me

Again you didn't answer anything.
Jesus-I am the way the truth the life doesn't negate the source of the Spirit poured out by God "through/by" His Son.

 

[JLB]

As Jesus Himself testified the Father sends the Spirit in HIS name. Hence the Spirit of Christ.
As Jesus testified the Spirit of truth is "another" advocate given by the Father.
As acts 2 testified the Spirit Jesus sent He received from the Father.
As the Father's promise declares He will pour out "His Spirit" in these last days.
The body is the temple of the Holy Spirit.
There is only one unbegotten Devine Spirit. The Fathers as He is unbegotten. The source of the Son is as stated true God "from" true God. Begotten of the Father before all things. I would state God from true God as the Deity is and remains the Fathers. Col 1:19 from the will of another and that other defined Jesus's being. As in begotten even though the Deity was gifted not formed.

I disagree with you in part as the Spirit of God in those who are in the faith conveys the will and presence of Christ in them. So both Father and Son make their home with those in the faith.

Here is my post -

But you are not in the flesh but in the Spirit, if indeed the Spirit of God dwells in you. Now if anyone does not have the Spirit of Christ, he is not His. Romans 8:9


The Spirit of Christ is the Spirit of God; God the Son.

And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness:
God was manifested in the flesh,
Justified in the Spirit,
Seen by angels,
Preached among the Gentiles,
Believed on in the world,
Received up in glory.
1 Timothy 3:16



The Spirit of Christ the Son was the Spirit that spoke through the mouth of the Old Testament prophets.


Of this salvation the prophets have inquired and searched carefully, who prophesied of the grace that would come to you, searching what, or what manner of time, the Spirit of Christ who was in them was indicating when He testified beforehand the sufferings of Christ and the glories that would follow. 1 Peter 1:10-11


Whenever a prophet said “thus says the LORD” it was the Spirit of Christ, the Son who was speaking.


“Thus says the LORD, the King of Israel,
And his Redeemer, the LORD of hosts:
I am the First and I am the Last;
Besides Me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6


“And behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to give to every one according to his work. I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End, the First and the Last.”
Revelation 22:12-13




JLB

Did you see the scripture from 1 Peter 1:10-11 that teaches us the Spirit of Christ was speaking through the prophets.

 

[Corinth77777]

but that Holy Ghost, the comforter, whom the Father shall send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and shall show to you all things, whatever things I shall say to you [he shall teach you all things, and shall show, or remember, to you all things, whatever I shall say to you].

Kjv
Wycliffe
Tyndale

All use Holyghost

 

[Corinth77777]

Again you didn't answer anything.
Jesus-I am the way the truth the life doesn't negate the source of the Spirit poured out by God "through/by" His Son.

Ill get there..

 

[MisterE]

but that Holy Ghost, the comforter, whom the Father shall send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and shall show to you all things, whatever things I shall say to you [he shall teach you all things, and shall show, or remember, to you all things, whatever I shall say to you].

Kjv
Wycliffe
Tyndale

All use Holyghost

This is the kind of debates you get into when you use English Translations and not the Greek New Testament.

 

[Corinth77777]

This is the kind of debates you get into when you use English Translations and not the Greek New Testament.

In this case I dont think so.

Because its the same word 4 holyghost and spirit

However there are some words like "ma" and "mama" that may use same word but have a different meaning.

 

[Free]

In this case I dont think so.

Because its the same word 4 holyghost and spirit

That is exactly the point. As I’ve stated, “Holy Ghost” was simply used in old English translations, as you have shown. Newer translations don’t use Holy Ghost at all, including the NKJV, precisely because there is no difference in meaning between that and Holy Spirit. Holy Ghost is just outdated language. Nothing more.

 

[Free]

This is the kind of debates you get into when you use English Translations and not the Greek New Testament.

Not really. It just when one uses outdated, old English translations.

 

[Corinth77777]

That is exactly the point. As I’ve stated, “Holy Ghost” was simply used in old English translations, as you have shown. Newer translations don’t use Holy Ghost at all, including the NKJV, precisely because there is no difference in meaning between that and Holy Spirit. Holy Ghost is just outdated language. Nothing more.

I disagree... because sometimes people cannot not express the difference and still use a form of the word..As the examples that were in articles and ones I've shared. And I believe kjv and older version interpreters recognize that.

 

[Randy]

Here is my post -




Did you see the scripture from 1 Peter 1:10-11 that teaches us the Spirit of Christ was speaking through the prophets.

Yes, the Spirit of God speaks only what He hears. Even today if I ask something of Jesus and He answers via the Spirit to my spirit then the Spirit of God is acting in the persona of the person of the Son. Yet it still is the Fathers own Spirit

But when they arrest you, do not worry about what to say or how to say it. At that time you will be given what to say, for it will not be you speaking, but the Spirit of your Father speaking through you.

Did you read what Jesus stated in regard to the gift of God in question? The source is the Father and Jesus states another from Himself.

Jesus didn't state He would send His Spirit.
And I will ask the Father, and he will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever—the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

This is the Father
In the past God spoke to our ancestors through the prophets at many times and in various ways, 2 but in these last days he has spoken to us by his Son

The Father is the only unbegotten God and the Spirit of truth is His. By His expressed will He gifted all HIS fullness to dwell His Son before all things. Col 1:19 Why do you think Jesus states the "Fathers" works He performs testifies that the Father is in Him and they are one? He is Gods Son and all the fullness of His Father lives/dwells in Him. God the begotten. The Son is the image of His Father. The radiance of the Fathers glory and the imprint of the Fathers very being. In that context He is mighty God yet He is Gods Son not the Father.

 

[Randy]

I disagree... because sometimes people cannot not express the difference and still use a form of the word..As the examples that were in articles and ones I've shared. And I believe kjv and older version interpreters recognize that.

We shared scripture. As I stated the Spirit was in the world before Jesus was crucified how then is that Spirit His Ghost?
The Spirit of TRUTH has not led you to state He is Jesus's ghost. Your following another teacher in this and refuse to state otherwise for some reason. In this understanding you are on the wrong team.

If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and HE will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

 

[Corinth77777]

We shared scripture. As I stated the Spirit was in the world before Jesus was crucified how then is that Spirit His Ghost?

But this spake he of the Spirit, which they that believe on him should receive: for The Holy Ghost was not yet given; because that Jesus was not yet glorified." JOHN 7:39

The Spirit of TRUTH has not led you to state He is Jesus's ghost. Your following another teacher in this and refuse to state otherwise for some reason. In this understanding you are on the wrong team.

If you love me, keep my commands. 16And I will ask the Father, and HE will give you another advocate to help you and be with you forever— 17the Spirit of truth. The world cannot accept him, because it neither sees him nor knows him. But you know him, for he lives with you and will be in you.

 

[MisterE]

Not really. It just when one uses outdated, old English translations.

Translations are from people and their preferences. Greek texts do not have people's preferences. I will give you an example. I will do it in English since you are not familiar with the Greek. The texts is Rom 9.22, which reads in most English translations:

What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction?

This verse in English sounds like God prepared some people for destruction. However, the word prepared can be understood as a Middle voice verb. And would be translated "What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—objects that have prepared themselves for destruction.

Huge difference!! This is known only by knowing the Greek. To me, those who don't train themselves in NT Greek are not serious students of Scripture.

 

[Free]

Translations are from people and their preferences. Greek texts do not have people's preferences. I will give you an example. I will do it in English since you are not familiar with the Greek. The texts is Rom 9.22, which reads in most English translations:

What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—prepared for destruction?

This verse in English sounds like God prepared some people for destruction. However, the word prepared can be understood as a Middle voice verb. And would be translated "What if God, although choosing to show his wrath and make his power known, bore with great patience the objects of his wrath—objects that have prepared themselves for destruction.

Huge difference!! This is known only by knowing the Greek. To me, those who don't train themselves in NT Greek are not serious students of Scripture.

Yes, I know all that regarding translations. My point was that in this case, not knowing the Greek isn't the issue. This is an issue of using outdated translations to make something out of nothing.

 

[Corinth77777]

The Son who was, His Spirit, was in the body prepared for Him.

Didn't Jesus say if you could remove this cup from me?

"not my will but your will be done" isn't the will part of a man's spirit??


Free will the ability to make choices
The ability to know things,design, ponder build. Think at High levels.
How man connects with God.
Emotions.
Etc

I actually recently started a thread on that and hopeful said He had a man's Spirit and God's And I gave Him a like...

Sounded true

"Father into your hands I commit My spirit"
The Fathers Spirit was living in Him.
They are ONE.

I don't doubt that they are some how one
but I probably couldn't explain it. A boiled egg is one egg but the yoke differs from the outside.
My family is one unit, but each has a spirit.
Water is h20, but the element takes on different forms. And how can that be? Why is h20 snow and h20 in my freezer ice?

Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work. 11Believe me when I say that I am in the Father and the Father is in me; or at least believe on the evidence of the works themselves.

Yes and how is that? Jesus came to do His father's will, yet He he had His own.