Jesus. The Word, Power and Wisdom of God

[Randy]

I Am the Way, and the Truth, and the Life
“Let not your heart be troubled; you believe in God, believe also in Me. (2) In My Father’s house are many mansions; if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you. (3) And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. (4) And where I go you know, and the way you know.” (5) Thomas said to Him, “Lord, we do not know where You are going, and how can we know the way?” (6) Jesus said to him, “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the Father except through Me. (7) If you had known Me, you would have known My Father also; and from now on you know Him and have seen Him.” (8) Philip said to Him, “Lord, show us the Father, and it is sufficient for us.” (9) Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? (10) Do you not believe that I am in the Father and the Father in Me? The words that I speak to you, I do not speak on My own authority, but the Father who dwells in Me does the works. (11) Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, or else believe Me for the sake of the works themselves.
John 14:1-11 NKJV

And we are in Christ and He in us just as the Father is in Him and He is in the Father. The Deity in Christ is the Fathers.

On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23I in them and you in me

 

[Cooper]

And we are in Christ and He in us just as the Father is in Him and He is in the Father. The Deity in Christ is the Fathers.

On that day you will realize that I am in my Father, and you are in me, and I am in you.

I have given them the glory that you gave me, that they may be one as we are one— 23I in them and you in me

Except we are not IN Father God and Father God is not IN us. If we were, we would be God the Father. Nor do we have the power and wisdom of God like Jesus has.

I am finding this conversation distasteful.

 

[Randy]

Except we are not IN Father God and Father God is not IN us. If we were, we would be God the Father. Nor do we have the power and wisdom of God like Jesus has.

I am finding this conversation distasteful.

I find your statements confusing. What is the difference to you between God the Son and God the Father? You state we are not in the Father God but in your theology are we not in Son God?

However it may be viewed that both Father and Son are in us. The Spirit may be sent in Jesus's name and represents His presence/will in the believer but it is proceeding from the Father who sends His Spirit just as He stated. As in the Fathers promise. In the last days I will pour out My spirit...
Therefore
Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

How Jesus and the believer are one is in the same manner Father and Son are one but being born again is not the same as the fullness of the Deity that was pleased to dwell in Christ. Christ alone was gifted that Deity/fullness and in that is the first and last. We have been given fullness in Christ. Jesus was not born "again". The Deity or [fullness of God] was please to dwell in Him before the world began. Jesus identified who was living in Him. (The Father) and who gave Him that glory (The Father). In Him is not the same as being that Deity. But He is One with that Deity and the works Jesus perform testify to that Oneness. That Deity is the only true God as Jesus stated in regard to the Father alone and those are not my words or mans words. Either you believe HIM or you don't. That's up to you. And I will continue to point out Jesus has the fullness of God in Him and in that unity He is all that the Father is. (God) Scripture -The reflection of Gods glory and the exact imprint of Gods very being.

So Father, (Father in Son) and the Fathers Spirit is seen by me. They would be one and the Fathers Spirit would have the Fathers Nature. Divine, Eternal,

 

[Cooper]

I find your statements confusing. What is the difference to you between God the Son and God the Father? You state we are not in the Father God but in your theology are we not in Son God?

However it may be viewed that both Father and Son are in us. The Spirit may be sent in Jesus's name and represents His presence/will in the believer but it is proceeding from the Father who sends His Spirit just as He stated. As in the Fathers promise. In the last days I will pour out My spirit...
Therefore
Jesus replied, “Anyone who loves me will obey my teaching. My Father will love them, and we will come to them and make our home with them.

How Jesus and the believer are one is in the same manner Father and Son are one but being born again is not the same as the fullness of the Deity that was pleased to dwell in Christ. Christ alone was gifted that Deity/fullness and in that is the first and last. We have been given fullness in Christ. Jesus was not born "again". The Deity or [fullness of God] was please to dwell in Him before the world began. Jesus identified who was living in Him. (The Father) and who gave Him that glory (The Father). In Him is not the same as being that Deity. But He is One with that Deity and the works Jesus perform testify to that Oneness. That Deity is the only true God as Jesus stated in regard to the Father alone and those are not my words or mans words. Either you believe HIM or you don't. That's up to you. And I will continue to point out Jesus has the fullness of God in Him and in that unity He is all that the Father is. (God) Scripture -The reflection of Gods glory and the exact imprint of Gods very being.

So Father, (Father in Son) and the Fathers Spirit is seen by me. They would be one and the Fathers Spirit would have the Fathers Nature. Divine, Eternal,

Short reply, You say Jesus was a man like us. I say, God never impregnated my mother. Attempting to deny the deity of Jesus is a BIG mistake.

 

[Randy]

Short reply, You say Jesus was a man like us. I say, God never impregnated my mother. Attempting to deny the deity of Jesus is a BIG mistake.

I believe I have stated the Son who was, (His spirit), was in the body prepared for Him and the Father was living in Him.

I believe Jesus stated in regard to the Father alone that He was the only true God.
I believe Jesus stated , “Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone.
I believe Jesus stated, You believe in God believe also in me.

Yet the same Jesus also stated

Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me? The words I say to you I do not speak on my own authority. Rather, it is the Father, living in me, who is doing his work.

But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.

We are one in the same manner meaning we are in Jesus and He in us. The context is how we are one is the same as Jesus and the Father are one not what was given.

The works don't testify that Jesus is God as He Himself stated otherwise they state that He and the Father are one.

 

[Cooper]

The works don't testify that Jesus is God as He Himself stated otherwise they state that He and the Father are one.

What do you mean, “the works don't testify Jesus is God?” I believe in One wonder-working God who came down from heaven's glory in the likeness of man, meaning Jesus is “God with us” as stated in the Bible.

 

[Randy]

What do you mean, “the works don't testify Jesus is God?” I believe in One wonder-working God who came down from heaven's glory in the likeness of man, meaning Jesus is “God with us” as stated in the Bible.

The works testify that He and the Father are one. The Deity in Christ is the Fathers.
You don't believe Him. I do.
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me.

 

[Cooper]

The works testify that He and the Father are one. The Deity in Christ is the Fathers.
You don't believe Him. I do.
“Why do you call me good?” Jesus answered. “No one is good—except God alone
Now this is eternal life: that they know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent.
Do not let your hearts be troubled. You believe in God; believe also in me.

Jesus was testing the rich young ruler. Jesus IS the Good Shepherd. God IS good, and God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. 1Ti 3:16 Jesus IS the Good Shepherd and Jesus IS God.

 

[Randy]

Jesus was testing the rich young ruler. Jesus IS the Good Shepherd. God IS good, and God was manifested in the flesh, Justified in the Spirit, Seen by angels, Preached among the Gentiles, Believed on in the world, Received up in glory. 1Ti 3:16 Jesus IS the Good Shepherd and Jesus IS God.

You don't believe Him. His statements were not ambiguous. Jesus - "Why do you call me good?" "No one is good except God alone"

And this is eternal life: that men can know you, the only true God, and that men can know Jesus Christ, the One you sent.

Neither was Paul's
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

As I stated the works don't testify Jesus is God they testify He and the Father are one.
But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”

Only true God - In regard to the Father alone not the Spirit not the Son.

Paul -One God the Father One Lord Jesus - Nothing in regard to the Spirit

Paul's letters -Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jude was not ambiguous either
Now to him who is able to keep you from falling, and to make you stand without blemish in the presence of his glory with rejoicing, 25 to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time and now and for ever. Amen.

And it is the Fathers salvation
“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant
to restore the tribes of Jacob
and bring back those of Israel I have kept.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles,
that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”

And the Fathers Spirit not God the Spirit but Spirit of God
“Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations

“’In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

Jesus didn't say His Spirit
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.

So when you start believing Jesus then we will agree. Again the Deity in Jesus is the Fathers. The Spirit of God is the Fathers. The Father alone is the only true God. Jesus and the Father are one. Jesus is all that the Father is BECAUSE all the fullness of God the Father was pleased to dwell in Him. The works Jesus performed testify to that oneness. If it were true Jesus would have stated the works testify that He is God but He didn't state that ever.

Jesus's life source is the Father. Gods who always were and there is only one don't live by another. Nor need to receive authority from another. The Fathers glory is because is the one and only living God. Jesus's glory is because the Father has glorified Him.

Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

But I know even after all this you can't accept it because you do not believe Jesus. So is there any reason to continue to repeat it over and over?

 

[Cooper]

You don't believe Him. His statements were not ambiguous. Jesus - "Why do you call me good?" "No one is good except God alone"

And this is eternal life: that men can know you, the only true God, and that men can know Jesus Christ, the One you sent.

Neither was Paul's
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live; and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live.

As I stated the works don't testify Jesus is God they testify He and the Father are one.
But if I do them, even though you do not believe me, believe the works, that you may know and understand that the Father is in me, and I in the Father.”

Only true God - In regard to the Father alone not the Spirit not the Son.

Paul -One God the Father One Lord Jesus - Nothing in regard to the Spirit

Paul's letters -Grace and peace to you from God our Father and the Lord Jesus Christ.

Jude was not ambiguous either
Now to him who is able to keep you from falling, and to make you stand without blemish in the presence of his glory with rejoicing, 25 to the only God our Saviour, through Jesus Christ our Lord, be glory, majesty, power, and authority, before all time and now and for ever. Amen.

And it is the Fathers salvation
“It is too small a thing for you to be my servant
to restore the tribes of Jacob
and bring back those of Israel I have kept.
I will also make you a light for the Gentiles,
that my salvation may reach to the ends of the earth.”

And the Fathers Spirit not God the Spirit but Spirit of God
“Here is my servant, whom I uphold, my chosen one in whom I delight; I will put my Spirit on him, and he will bring justice to the nations

“’In the last days, God says, I will pour out my Spirit on all people. Your sons and daughters will prophesy, your young men will see visions, your old men will dream dreams.

Jesus didn't say His Spirit
But the Advocate, the Holy Spirit, whom the Father will send in my name, will teach you all things and will remind you of everything I have said to you.

When the Advocate comes, whom I will send to you from the Father—the Spirit of truth who goes out from the Father—he will testify about me.

So when you start believing Jesus then we will agree. Again the Deity in Jesus is the Fathers. The Spirit of God is the Fathers. The Father alone is the only true God. Jesus and the Father are one. Jesus is all that the Father is BECAUSE all the fullness of God the Father was pleased to dwell in Him. The works Jesus performed testify to that oneness. If it were true Jesus would have stated the works testify that He is God but He didn't state that ever.

Jesus's life source is the Father. Gods who always were and there is only one don't live by another. Nor need to receive authority from another. The Fathers glory is because is the one and only living God. Jesus's glory is because the Father has glorified Him.

Just as the living Father sent me and I live because of the Father, so the one who feeds on me will live because of me.

But I know even after all this you can't accept it because you do not believe Jesus. So is there any reason to continue to repeat it over and over?

Jesus went round doing good, he even gave us the parable of the Good Samaritan, and then he asked "why do you call me good?" Is it because I do good works, or is there another reason. Two of the people in the parable of the Good Samaritan, were wrong about Jesus and there are a lot more like them living today and they plotted his death. They were wrong, wrong, wrong.

 

[Randy]

Jesus went round doing good, he even gave us the parable of the Good Samaritan, and then he asked "why do you call me good?" Is it because I do good works, or is there another reason. Two of the people in the parable of the Good Samaritan, were wrong about Jesus and there are a lot more like them living today and they plotted his death. They were wrong, wrong, wrong.

I presented how Jesus taught He and the Father were one but you have your version because you don't believe Him.

I gave you Jesus's words. Whose words are you using in your version of why do you call ME good? You don't believe Him.

Jesus stated in regard to the Father alone He is the only true God. You don't believe Him.

When you believe Jesus then we will agree as I stated you can't accept the Father is the only true God because you don't believe Jesus.

The Father calls the Spirit His very own not God the Spirit. You can't accept that because you don't believe Him either.

 

[Cooper]

I presented how Jesus taught He and the Father were one but you have your version because you don't believe Him.

I gave you Jesus's words. Whose words are you using in your version of why do you call ME good? You don't believe Him.

Jesus stated in regard to the Father alone He is the only true God. You don't believe Him.

When you believe Jesus then we will agree as I stated you can't accept the Father is the only true God because you don't believe Jesus.

The Father calls the Spirit His very own not God the Spirit. You can't accept that because you don't believe Him either.

You are taking scripture out of context and giving it your own interpretation.

Scriptures that tell us Jesus is God

1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory forever and ever. Amen. (This is Jesus.)

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1Th_5:18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

2 Peter 1:1 . . our God and Saviour Jesus Christ:

At every turn in the Bible, only one conclusion is possible, to make sense of all these statements, taken together as a whole: Jesus is the eternal, all-powerful, all-loving, self-existent Creator God.

Colossians 1:16 For by him Jesus were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son, he says, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, the righteous sceptre is the sceptre of thy kingdom.” (This is a remarkable passage, in which God the Father calls His Son “God.”

Colossians 1:19 For in him all the fulness of God was pleased to dwell,

Colossians 2:2-3 . . . Christ, [3] in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. He's omniscient all-knowing:

Colossians 2:9 For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily,

Eph_4:32 and be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ has forgiven you.

Ephesians 1:22-23 the church, [23] which is his body, the fulness of him who fills all in all. cf. Col 3:11 He's omnipresent present everywhere:

God the Father stated, “To me, every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear” Is 45:23. The same exact description is also applied to Jesus Phil 2:10-11. Many attributes that are said to belong only to “God” are applied to Jesus in Scripture. God the Father said, “besides me, there is no saviour” Is 43:11; cf. 1 Tim 4:10. Yet Jesus is called the “saviour” of mankind in passages like Luke 2:11 and many others.

Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son, he says, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous sceptre is the sceptre of thy kingdom.” This is a remarkable passage, in which God the Father calls His Son “God.” It is a reference to the Old Testament passage, Psalms 45:6-7.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.

In Hebrews 1:6, God the Father also says that all the angels should worship God the Son. Worship can only be rightly applied to God, as we know from Exodus 34:14 and Deuteronomy 8:19. Yet Jesus accepted the worship of Himself on many occasions e.g., Mt 14:33; 28:9 and stated that He should be honoured equally with the Father Jn 5:23. In Revelation 5:8, 12-13 and Colossians 2:6-7, we find that Jesus is worshipped in every way that the Bible specifically describes worship of God the Father, with all the same words used see: Rev 4:9-11, 5:13; 7:11-12, and Rom 11:33.

John 1:1, 14 RSV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . . . [14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servant's fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servant's fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Matthew 23: 34, 37 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, . . . [37] O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! Another astonishing passage along these lines is one where Jesus speaks about historical events described as being done by God the Father in the Old Testament. He casually applies them to Himself what might be called “the Divine 'I'”:

Philippians 3:20-21 . . . the Lord Jesus Christ, [21] who will change our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power which enables him even to subject all things to himself.

Php_3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the heavenly call of God in Christ Jesus.

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name is written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Rom_6:11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Romans 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
1 Ki 22:19; Ps 11:4; 47:8. God the Father sits on His throne in heaven Jesus is on the same throne, too Rev 7:17; 22:1, 3.

 

[Randy]

You are taking scripture out of context and giving it your own interpretation.

Scriptures that tell us Jesus is God

1 Timothy 1:17 Now unto the King eternal, immortal, invisible, the only wise God, be honour and glory forever and ever. Amen. (This is Jesus.)

1 Timothy 3:16 And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifest in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen of angels, preached unto the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up into glory.

1Th_5:18 give thanks in all circumstances; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you.

2 Peter 1:1 . . our God and Saviour Jesus Christ:

At every turn in the Bible, only one conclusion is possible, to make sense of all these statements, taken together as a whole: Jesus is the eternal, all-powerful, all-loving, self-existent Creator God.

Colossians 1:16 For by him Jesus were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son, he says, “Thy throne, O God, is forever and ever, the righteous sceptre is the sceptre of thy kingdom.” (This is a remarkable passage, in which God the Father calls His Son “God.”

Colossians 1:19 For in him all the fulness of God was pleased to dwell,

Colossians 2:2-3 . . . Christ, [3] in whom are hidden all the treasures of wisdom and knowledge. He's omniscient all-knowing:

Colossians 2:9 For in him the whole fulness of deity dwells bodily,

Eph_4:32 and be kind to one another, tender-hearted, forgiving one another, as God in Christ has forgiven you.

Ephesians 1:22-23 the church, [23] which is his body, the fulness of him who fills all in all. cf. Col 3:11 He's omnipresent present everywhere:

God the Father stated, “To me, every knee shall bow, every tongue shall swear” Is 45:23. The same exact description is also applied to Jesus Phil 2:10-11. Many attributes that are said to belong only to “God” are applied to Jesus in Scripture. God the Father said, “besides me, there is no saviour” Is 43:11; cf. 1 Tim 4:10. Yet Jesus is called the “saviour” of mankind in passages like Luke 2:11 and many others.

Hebrews 1:8 But of the Son, he says, “Thy throne, O God, is for ever and ever, the righteous sceptre is the sceptre of thy kingdom.” This is a remarkable passage, in which God the Father calls His Son “God.” It is a reference to the Old Testament passage, Psalms 45:6-7.

Hebrews 13:8 Jesus Christ the same yesterday, and today, and forever.

In Hebrews 1:6, God the Father also says that all the angels should worship God the Son. Worship can only be rightly applied to God, as we know from Exodus 34:14 and Deuteronomy 8:19. Yet Jesus accepted the worship of Himself on many occasions e.g., Mt 14:33; 28:9 and stated that He should be honoured equally with the Father Jn 5:23. In Revelation 5:8, 12-13 and Colossians 2:6-7, we find that Jesus is worshipped in every way that the Bible specifically describes worship of God the Father, with all the same words used see: Rev 4:9-11, 5:13; 7:11-12, and Rom 11:33.

John 1:1, 14 RSV In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. . . . [14] And the Word became flesh and dwelt among us, full of grace and truth; we have beheld his glory, glory as of the only Son from the Father.

John 10:30 I and the Father are one.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servant's fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

John 18:36 Jesus answered, My kingdom is not of this world: if my kingdom were of this world, then would my servant's fight, that I should not be delivered to the Jews: but now is my kingdom not from hence.

John 20:28 Thomas answered him, “My Lord and my God!”

Matthew 23: 34, 37 Therefore I send you prophets and wise men and scribes, some of whom you will kill and crucify, and some you will scourge in your synagogues and persecute from town to town, . . . [37] O Jerusalem, Jerusalem, killing the prophets and stoning those who are sent to you! How often would I have gathered your children together as a hen gathers her brood under her wings, and you would not! Another astonishing passage along these lines is one where Jesus speaks about historical events described as being done by God the Father in the Old Testament. He casually applies them to Himself what might be called “the Divine 'I'”:

Philippians 3:20-21 . . . the Lord Jesus Christ, [21] who will change our lowly body to be like his glorious body, by the power which enables him even to subject all things to himself.

Php_3:14 I press on toward the goal for the prize of the heavenly call of God in Christ Jesus.

Revelation 19:16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name is written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.

Rom_6:11 So you also must consider yourselves dead to sin and alive to God in Christ Jesus.

Romans 9:5 Whose are the fathers, and of whom as concerning the flesh Christ came, who is over all, God blessed for ever. Amen.

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;
1 Ki 22:19; Ps 11:4; 47:8. God the Father sits on His throne in heaven Jesus is on the same throne, too Rev 7:17; 22:1, 3.

They also tell us how He is the image of the invisible God. I didn't read true God from true God did you?
Col 1:19 - from the will of another

Do you even believe the Father is Jesus's God?

 

[for_his_glory]

Except we are not IN Father God and Father God is not IN us. If we were, we would be God the Father. Nor do we have the power and wisdom of God like Jesus has.

I am finding this conversation distasteful.

God's Spirit is in us and we in Him.

God is Spirit, Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. Jesus also said of Himself in Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

God is the word (Spirit of God),

The word became flesh (Jesus, Spirit of God) and dwelt among us,

When the word (Jesus, Spirit of God made flesh) ascended back up to heaven, once again God sent His Spirit, (Holy Spirit) to indwell us and teach us all things and bring those things back to our remembrance.

Deity (Trinity) is God's Spirit manifested in the person of Jesus as God's plan of salvation through His birth, death and resurrection before the foundation of the world.

Holy Spirit (God's Spirit) was again sent down to permanently indwell those who are Spiritually born again, John 3:5-7, who will teach us all truths of what Jesus, (the word of God made flesh), already taught His disciples who were sent out into the world to make disciples of all of us to help teach others the Gospel of God's grace through faith.

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

1Co 1:30 But of him are ye in Christ Jesus, who of God is made unto us wisdom, and righteousness, and sanctification, and redemption:

Rom 8:9 But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his. (Spirit of God and Spirit of Christ is all God's Spirit)

2Cor 13:5 Examine yourselves, whether ye be in the faith; prove your own selves. Know ye not your own selves, how that Jesus Christ is in you, except ye be reprobates?

Col 1:27 To whom God would make known what is the riches of the glory of this mystery among the Gentiles; which is Christ in you, the hope of glory:

Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

 

[for_his_glory]

Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My Lord and my God.
John 20:29 Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed.

IMO, the simplest way to explain the Deity (Trinity) is found in these two scriptures, but yet no one can fully understand the Trinity as that would mean one could fully understand all the complexities of the heavens.

Can you fathom the depths of God or discover the limits of the Almighty? They are higher than the heavens, what can you do? Job 11:7, 8; Isaiah 55:9.

Isa 55:8 For my thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways, saith the LORD.
Isa 55:9 For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts.

God is the word from the beginning being one God who exist in three persons. Trinity means three in one Spirit, God the Father, God the Son, God the Holy Spirit as it's all God's Spirit.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

John 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

John 14:23 Jesus answered and said unto him, If a man love me, he will keep my words: and my Father will love him, and we will come unto him, and make our abode with him.
John 14:24 He that loveth me not keepeth not my sayings: and the word which ye hear is not mine, but the Father's which sent me.
John 14:25 These things have I spoken unto you, being yet present with you.
John 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
John 14:27 Peace I leave with you, my peace I give unto you: not as the world giveth, give I unto you. Let not your heart be troubled, neither let it be afraid.

God is Spirit, Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end. Jesus also said of Himself in Rev 1:8 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending, saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the Almighty.

 

[Cooper]

They also tell us how He is the image of the invisible God. I didn't read true God from true God did you?
Col 1:19 - from the will of another

Do you even believe the Father is Jesus's God?

There is only One God, and the terms Father and Son only became necessary when the Word who created heaven and earth, became flesh for a season, His work of salvation to do. For only God can forgive, and cleanse us from our sins which are many. This is what God our Redeemer did.

To answer your question, yes, I believe the Father was the God of Jesus after he took on the likeness of men (Philippians 2:7) Since his ascension, he is now preparing a place for us, which is something only God can do.

 

[Randy]

There is only One God, and the terms Father and Son only became necessary when the Word who created heaven and earth, became flesh for a season, His work of salvation to do. For only God can forgive, and cleanse us from our sins which are many. This is what God our Redeemer did.

To answer your question, yes, I believe the Father was the God of Jesus after he took on the likeness of men (Philippians 2:7) Since his ascension, he is now preparing a place for us, which is something only God can do.

God created heaven and earth through Jesus. Do you still believe the Father is Jesus's God?

 

[Cooper]

God created heaven and earth through Jesus. Do you still believe the Father is Jesus's God?

Jesus is the New Testament name of the Old Testament God in Genesis chapter 1. The angel said to call his name Jesus. Jesus is known throughout the Bible as the "I AM" and the "Alpha and Omega."​

God is One.​

 

[Randy]

Jesus is the New Testament name of the Old Testament God in Genesis chapter 1. The angel said to call his name Jesus. Jesus is known throughout the Bible as the "I AM" and the "Alpha and Omega."​

God is One.​

Granted I don't know what Jesus's name was before He became the Son of Man. BUT Jesus the Son is not the Father and John, Hebrews and Paul all state the creation was made through Him. So using your terms the person of the Father is not nor was who we now know as the person of the Son.

Genesis Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,

Revelation gives the plan of creation fully to the one one the throne
“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.”

Paul has the origin of all things from the Father
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live

And the Apostles as well as Daniel don't identify Jesus as the God of their ancestors or fathers
The God of our ancestors raised Jesus from the dead—whom you killed by hanging him on a cross. 31 God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins
Daniel 7 as previously discussed -the ancient of days on His throne

And Jesus in heaven still refers to the Father as His God

 

[Cooper]

Granted I don't know what Jesus's name was before He became the Son of Man. BUT Jesus the Son is not the Father and John, Hebrews and Paul all state the creation was made through Him. So using your terms the person of the Father is not nor was who we now know as the person of the Son.

Genesis Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image, in our likeness,

Revelation gives the plan of creation fully to the one one the throne
“You are worthy, our Lord and God, to receive glory and honor and power, for you created all things, and by your will they were created and have their being.”

Paul has the origin of all things from the Father
yet for us there is but one God, the Father, from whom all things came and for whom we live

And the Apostles as well as Daniel don't identify Jesus as the God of their ancestors or fathers
The God of our ancestors raised Jesus from the dead—whom you killed by hanging him on a cross. 31 God exalted him to his own right hand as Prince and Savior that he might bring Israel to repentance and forgive their sins
Daniel 7 as previously discussed -the ancient of days on His throne

And Jesus in heaven still refers to the Father as His God

What is in a name? A rose by any other name smells just as sweet. You will be telling me next that Cliffe Richard is not Harry Webb and he did not come from India. Get used to it. Jesus is his name on earth. And yes, Jesus is the Saviour of the world, something no man can do. Turn your eyes upon Jesus, look full in his wonderful face, and the things of earth will grow strangely dim, in the light of his wonderful grace. Amen.