Can you post a scripture that says he did believePlease post the scripture that says Judas did not ever believe.
JLB
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Can you post a scripture that says he did believePlease post the scripture that says Judas did not ever believe.
JLB
Before Judas betrayed Jesus, Jesus said Judas did not believe and would betray Him.
John 6:64 (NKJV) But there are some of you who do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the beginning who they were who did not believe, and who would betray Him.
I will restate my first answer They were chosen for different roles..
Judas did not have a choice .. the plan of God had been laid out from the beginning Judas was an important part of that plan... God looks on the heart, He knew the heart of Judas... Just as He knows our hearts...
speculation JLB As you ask quite often post the verse..
Post the scripture ?Judas chose of his freewill, to betray Jesus.
Are you proposing a pelagic viewpoint?Post the scripture ?
Does "My sheep hear My voice" mean the physical voice of Jesus when He was in the flesh or the small voice of the Lord that comes through the Holy Spirit to our spirit?
Jesus was actually talking to the Pharisees and told them that they didn't hear His voice. But how can that be if they were indeed hearing Him tell them that? He could have only been referring to the spiritual voice! In that case, did Judas hear the Lord's voice or have we made and assumption?
Post the scripture ?
did Esau or Jacob have a choice...
Not that i am aware of... ... but i guess in part i am.. didn't know there was a name for it... . Judas did not have a choice Mary did not have a choice.. Let me try and put my thoughts down..
The birth, life and death of Christ was a plan from the beginning .. His life did not just happen... so many players were in place..
starting with Elizabeth and Zechariah the parents of John the baptist .
the jerky high priests
Cesar's tax decree
ugly king haread
Pilate his wife
The twelve
Shoot a baby donkey even played a role..
These are just touching the surface. This was not left to happenstance. IMO
We can go back and see the fore tellings of His birth
God being God can only be Godly. If a few players along the way did not have the same choice as you or i it is not our business it is God's business.. He the potter we the clay .. did Esau or Jacob have a choice...
Rom_9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth
Not that i am aware of... ... but i guess in part i am.. didn't know there was a name for it... . Judas did not have a choice Mary did not have a choice.. Let me try and put my thoughts down..
The birth, life and death of Christ was a plan from the beginning .. His life did not just happen... so many players were in place..
starting with Elizabeth and Zechariah the parents of John the baptist .
the jerky high priests
Cesar's tax decree
ugly king haread
Pilate his wife
The twelve
Shoot a baby donkey even played a role..
These are just touching the surface. This was not left to happenstance. IMO
We can go back and see the fore tellings of His birth
God being God can only be Godly. If a few players along the way did not have the same choice as you or i it is not our business it is God's business.. He the potter we the clay .. did Esau or Jacob have a choice...
Rom_9:17 For the scripture saith unto Pharaoh, Even for this same purpose have I raised thee up, that I might shew my power in thee, and that my name might be declared throughout all the earth
Please post the scripture and the other scripture also ...All had choices.
God foresaw the choices they would make before the foundation of the world.
God did not "force" them to make those choices.
JLB
But if the Angel Gabriel was able to convince you somehow...(like Zechariah)...me? i most likely would have thought the angel was nuts..
Did John the Baptist have a choice?
Luk 1:12 And when Zacharias saw him, he was troubled, and fear fell upon him.
Luk 1:13 But the angel said unto him, Fear not, Zacharias: for thy prayer is heard; and thy wife Elisabeth shall bear thee a son, and thou shalt call his name John.
Luk 1:14 And thou shalt have joy and gladness; and many shall rejoice at his birth.
Luk 1:15 For he shall be great in the sight of the Lord, and shall drink neither wine nor strong drink; and he shall be filled with the Holy Ghost, even from his mother's womb
I believe most people have a choice ...
imo he was never savedIt is a false teaching that Judas was saved at all.
Matthew 26:24
First John 2:19 declares, “They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.”
Question: "Can a Christian 'give back' salvation?"
Answer: The short answer to this question is, no, a true Christian cannot “give back” salvation. Oddly enough, some who agree that a Christian cannot “lose” his salvation still believe that salvation can be “given back” to God. Some who hold this viewpoint will take Romans 8:38-39 and say that while nothing outside of us can separate us from God, we ourselves can choose, in our free will, to separate ourselves from God. This is not only unbiblical; it defies all logic.
First John 2:19 declares, “They went out from us, but they did not really belong to us. For if they had belonged to us, they would have remained with us; but their going showed that none of them belonged to us.”
agreedOver the years I've come to understand why people have accepted antichrist the son of perdition.. If most think Judas was a believer they'll think antichrist/the son of perdition is a believer..
John 12:4 Then saith one of his disciples, Judas Iscariot, Simon's son, which should betray him,
5 Why was not this ointment sold for three hundred pence, and given to the poor?
6 This he said, not that he cared for the poor; but because he was a thief, and had the bag, and bare what was put therein.
Three hundred pence was the equivalent to a years wages.. who is holding the bag today?
Please post the scripture and the other scripture also ...
Please post the scripture that says Judas did not ever believe.
JLB