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Here are thousands of people and there reasons why they left Christ.
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Justification by Faith
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Here you can ask these folks, who have left Christ.
http://www.ex-christian.net/forum/5-testimonies-of-former-christians/
Here are thousands of people and there reasons why they left Christ.
Cygnus
Member
Yes. If it's been imputed to you. Do you think Chist de-imputes?
Of course not. You're describing someone who has never been saved. Once given Christ righteousness, it's yours.
Cygnus
Member
Will you ever answer ...why? or continue to play dodge ball?
Ok, I agree with you at least on the part, we are not God and don't know for sure.
If they were saved, and have renounced Jesus Christ as Messiah and Lord, then they no long believe, and are no longer believers.
Believers are promised eternal life.
A believer is someone who obeys the Gospel.
Those who believe for a while, then return to unbelieving, are not promised eternal life, but eternal death in the lake of fire, since they have no way to be forgiven their sins.
7 He who overcomes shall inherit all things,and I will be his God and he shall be My son. 8 But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the lake which burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.” Revelation 21:7-8
JLB
Nathan
Member
How can you deny Christ, and still have what He gives?
Mat 10:32-33
So everyone who acknowledges me before men, I also will acknowledge before my Father who is in heaven, but whoever denies me before men, I also will deny before my Father who is in heaven.
If Christ gives you righteousness, and its yours, is it like a ticket or something? Will you take your righteousness before God at the judgment? What is your righteousness?
Cygnus
Member
I also understand there are many "churchs" ....only playing church. Did those people remove themselves from a false church? Who knows. Reading some of the descriptions of the church's I would leave them.
Problem for you is you posted what you believe is a logical outcome. For example...stop believing and you lose eternal life.
But, no where does the bible say if you stop believing you lose your eternal life. This theory is something you assume to be...and...can't directly biblically support.
I would say most people who "stop believing" never really believed in the first place.
As John put it in 1 John 2:19 They went out from us, but they were not of us; for if they had been of us, they would have continued with us. But they went out, that it might become plain that they all are not of us.
Of those remaining people that left the church...who were truly saved....they still are saved. Deceived, yet saved.
Nathan
Member
Who is your Lord? Who is your Master?
Cygnus
Member
Does Jesus take back your righteousness? Where does the bible teach that?
Cygnus
Member
Jesus and Jesus.....but I often forget that. When I do forget I lose my salvation.....then gain it back when I remember to put my trust in Jesus. ......then I lose it again the following day when I forget. This your in..your out...your in again theology of yours doesn't seem to be biblical.
Cygnus
Member
Will I take MY righteousness before the God at the judgement? No. I'll take the righteousness that Christ imputed to me. My righteousness is like a filthy rag.
Nathan
Member
I do not have any righteousness. I live and abide in His.
Phl 3:8-11
Indeed, I count everything as loss because of the surpassing worth of knowing Christ Jesus my Lord. For his sake I have suffered the loss of all things and count them as rubbish, in order that I may gain Christ and be found in him, not having a righteousness of my own that comes from the law, but that which comes through faith in Christ, the righteousness from God that depends on faith—that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, that by any means possible I may attain the resurrection from the dead.
Nathan
Member
If Jesus is your Lord, why do you falsely accuse me?
How in one breath do you claim Him as your Master, then in the next speak evil against me?
I never said we were in and out, over and over.
Nathan
Member
Does the righteousness imputed on you come without being in Christ? Can you deny Christ and be in Him at the same time?
Cygnus
Member
I haven't. Your religion is incorrect concerning the ability to lose your salvation.
Where have I spoken evil against you? (keep in mind I've come close to reporting you)
It's what your religion would claim.....or will you now say once you're out, you stay out.
Cygnus
Member
Every time I sin I deny Christ.
Cygnus
Member
Does Jesus take back His righteousness? Where does the bible teach that?
Nathan
Member
Report if you wish. I have not done anything to you.
You are accusing me of saying something I am not. Is falsely accusing a work of good or evil?
It would be one thing if you said you felt like it was a religion would claim, but you insist that its "my" religion. I have never laid claim to that, and I keep telling you that, yet you persist.
Nathan
Member
Interesting. Explain more.
I sin, but that does not mean I deny Christ. I have denied Christ, but that does not mean I have denied Him because I did not believe in Him.
There is a difference between sin(missing the mark when aiming at the mark), and sin(missing the mark because you are not aiming at the mark).
Cygnus
Member
Your religion claim a person can lose their salvation...but when asked what is required to cause such a loss and why would a person turn to disbelief.....you shut up like a clam.
Your religion tells us to remain in salvation...it is what we do or believe.