Kundalini Warning To The Church Of Jesus Christ....True or False.

[th1b.taylor]

Open the meaning.......... http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/repulsive

This is exactly what people who propagate this brand of sad teaching do to me.

Willie,
You are running around in circles that go nowhere.

 

[Jesse]

no, and when I went to that one that I was laid out they didn't do that.i also said that the Toronto bless goes to far.

When you say "laid out" do you mean "slain in the spirit"?

What is the purpose?

 

[th1b.taylor]

Much deeper. My surprise and disappointment is directed, not so much at some fool hyping up a video, but rather on people I didn't previously see as so dogmatically focused on calling someone shaking, demonic. People in the Bible fell to the ground "as though dead", and threw themselves into the fire, went blind, became mute, and shrieked, and all sorts of things. Yet you guys call believers who feel God in much more minor ways, demonic?

Scripture address for context?

 

[Willie T]

A few points I tried pointing out was that God heals and delivers without the convulsions, rolling around, I've seen videos where people were on all 4's barking like dogs (in a church service).

If God already provides and manifests His power in these ways (healings, deliverances, etc) what is the purpose of all the other things (convulsions, rolling around, etc.)? It's a serious question.

I agree with you about the Holy Spirit, it is the joy I'm speaking of. I don't have a problem with shouting and dancing either. I'm talking about the video and what seemed to me chaotic.

There is a difference between shouting and dancing for the Lord, David did it and he was almost naked. lol

Does your church look like what went on in the video?

No church I have ever seen in 69 years has ever looked like that video. To see that stuff, I have to do what you do, Google for a video someone has put together. And I have been to a great number of charismatic churches.

 

[jasonc]

When you say "laid out" do you mean "slain in the spirit"?

What is the purpose?

yup slain in the spirit. I haven't done that in a while or felt that. I will have to read up on what the support is on that its been a while and I want to remember the reasons why. its not demonic. a demon wouldn't cause one to praise god for a healing. a deception is one where one has to know and lie to oneself. that didn't happen.

a part of I think comes from but be drunk in the Holy Spirit. how does one drink the Holy Spirit?i remember being to a service where this happened and we for hours talked about jesus and praised him. how does a demon do that?

 

[jasonc]

No church I have ever seen in 69 years has ever looked like that video. To see that stuff, I have to do what you do, Google for a video someone has put together. And I have been to a great number of charismatic churches.

same here, not saying they don't exist but I haven't seen that level of that. that is my problem with that video he implies that its all charismatic even though he gives a caveat. I have been to at least 10 charismatic churches. I was at one that it was common to have a two hour or more worship time with gifts and anointing and that wasn't counting the word being delivered.

 

[Jesse]

No church I have ever seen in 69 years has ever looked like that video. To see that stuff, I have to do what you do, Google for a video someone has put together. And I have been to a great number of charismatic churches.

Then why did you get offended if it didn't resemble any church you go to now or ever have?

We already know gifts are too easy to copy and that is not what we measure their Fruit on. People could speak in tongues all day and then not have the Fruit to back it up. I guess what I'm saying, people can claim spirituality, but unless they have the Fruit, then it's all talk.

 

[Willie T]

Then why did you get offended if it didn't resemble any church you go to now or ever have?

We already know gifts are too easy to copy and that is not what we measure their Fruit on. People could speak in tongues all day and then not have the Fruit to back it up. I guess what I'm saying, people can claim spirituality, but unless they have the Fruit, then it's all talk.

I would expect that kind of a question from others less intelligent than you. But I think you know why it might have ticked me off that someone would post a video claiming it was my denomination that spread that craziness around the world. (3:37 in the video)

 

[Willie T]

yup slain in the spirit. I haven't done that in a while or felt that. I will have to read up on what the support is on that its been a while and I want to remember the reasons why. its not demonic. a demon wouldn't cause one to praise god for a healing. a deception is one where one has to know and lie to oneself. that didn't happen.

a part of I think comes from but be drunk in the Holy Spirit. how does one drink the Holy Spirit?i remember being to a service where this happened and we for hours talked about jesus and praised him. how does a demon do that?

This, Jesse, is what would be seen as "fruit". The effect was people praising God.

 

[Jesse]

I would expect that kind of a question from others less intelligent than you. But I think you know why it might have ticked me off that someone would post a video claiming it was my denomination that spread that craziness around the country.... or was it the world?

Well, if that denomination did, then they did, I'm recalling hearing about the The Christian Crusades (and NO, I'm not comparing the 2, I'm just saying men get it wrong sometimes).

I personally am not so attached to one denomination over any other to be so bothered, we're all part of the family of God already, anything else is a religious affiliation.

I really don't think the OP did it to attack you personally.

This, Jesse, is what would be seen as "fruit". The effect was people praising God.

Praising God in Spirit and Truth is good! As you know, however, I was speaking of the Fruit of the Spirit and I still can not tell individually with the group of people of their Fruit.

Not arguing.

I am waiting for someone to answer my question as to the "why" on being slain in the spirit and other happenings, when God manifests healings and deliverances without using this method?

 

[Willie T]

Well, if that denomination did, then they did, I'm recalling hearing about the The Christian Crusades.

I personally am not so attached to one denomination over any other to be so bothered, we're all part of the family of God already, anything else is a religious affiliation.

I really don't think the OP did it to attack you personally.


Praising God in Spirit and Truth is good! As you know, however, I was speaking of the Fruit of the Spirit and I still can not tell individually with the group of people of their Fruit.

Not arguing.

I am waiting for someone to answer my question as to the "why" on being slain in the spirit and other happenings, when God manifests healings and deliverances without using this method?

Some people right here in this thread will even deny that healings happen today through our rendering of our hands for God's use.... by any method. After Thanksgiving, I will probably be in a more "understanding" frame of mind, and I will talk farther about the spiritual "anesthesia", as it were, of emotional healing while on the floor.

 

[Willie T]

Praising God in Spirit and Truth is good! As you know, however, I was speaking of the Fruit of the Spirit and I still can not tell individually with the group of people of their Fruit.

Not arguing.

I am waiting for someone to answer my question as to the "why" on being slain in the spirit and other happenings, when God manifests healings and deliverances without using this method?

Can you just look at a person, and tell these things you are talking about? Nope, it takes living around them for quite some time for most of it to be seen.

Who can say how much some of those people are changed when they get up off the floor?

 

[Jesse]

Can you just look at a person, and tell these things you are talking about? Nope, it takes living around them for quite some time for most of it to be seen.

Who can say how much some of those people are changed when they get up off the floor?

People have been healed for 100's of years without having to fall on the floor. God doesn't need to do this in order to heal, He just does it.

 

[Willie T]

People have been healed for 100's of years without having to fall on the floor. God doesn't need to do this in order to heal, He just does it.

Let God out of the traditional box you are unconsciously building to keep Him in. It's an easy trap to fall into... and dangerous. God never saved anyone by dying on a cross, for thousands of years..... till one day He did it.

 

[Karl]

We are taught the gifts, all of them, Rom 12, 1 Cor 12 inclusive, are to be used,


For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: Eph 4:12, 13

along with

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, Rom 8:29

so then the Church, as one single Body is to become or manifest the character of our Lord.

Then here is what I don't understand, ...when or where in the Gospel accounts do we find Jesus acting in this manner?

 

[Willie T]

We are taught the gifts, all of them, Rom 12, 1 Cor 12 inclusive, are to be used,


For the perfecting of the saints, for the work of the ministry, for the edifying of the body of Christ: Till we all come in the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a perfect man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ: Eph 4:12, 13

along with

For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate to be conformed to the image of his Son, Rom 8:29

so then the Church, as one single Body is to become or manifest the character of our Lord.

Then here is what I don't understand, ...when or where in the Gospel accounts do we find Jesus acting in this manner?

Stop being silly. Jesus never drove anywhere. Are you going to conform to that image and sell your car and start walking everywhere?

 

[Gary]

I would expect that kind of a question from others less intelligent than you.

Ok, I'll ask.

Why did the video upset you if you've never personally witnessed such an event?

There's no reason for you to take this personal. That video was seen by close to half a million people on youtube alone and I bet not one of them thought of you while watching it. And I'll bet the author of the OP didn't have you in mind when he posted it. I sure wasn't thinking of you when I called it "Demonic".

So what's the damage Willie T ? What great harm was caused today with the posting of that video?

 

[Gary]

Stop being silly. Jesus never drove anywhere. Are you going to conform to that image and sell your car and start walking everywhere?

You think it's silly that someone would sell their car and start walking everywhere, (because Jesus walked everywhere) but you don't raise an eyebrow when you see someone down on all fours barking like a dog. Tell me Willie T , where in scripture is it recorded that our Savior barked like a dog?

Much deeper. My surprise and disappointment is directed, not so much at some fool hyping up a video, but rather on people I didn't previously see as so dogmatically focused on calling someone shaking, demonic. People in the Bible fell to the ground "as though dead", and threw themselves into the fire, went blind, became mute, and shrieked, and all sorts of things. Yet you guys call believers who feel God in much more minor ways, demonic?

As for this.

That individual that was hurled into the fire was possessed by a DEMONIC spirit.

Mark 9....(NKJV)
20 Then they brought him to Him. And when he saw Him, immediately the spirit convulsed him, and he fell on the ground and wallowed, foaming at the mouth.
21 So He asked his father, “How long has this been happening to him?” And he said, “From childhood.
22 And often he has thrown him both into the fire and into the water to destroy him. But if You can do anything, have compassion on us and help us.”

 

[Deborah13]

Well, if that denomination did, then they did, I'm recalling hearing about the The Christian Crusades (and NO, I'm not comparing the 2, I'm just saying men get it wrong sometimes).

I personally am not so attached to one denomination over any other to be so bothered, we're all part of the family of God already, anything else is a religious affiliation.

I really don't think the OP did it to attack you personally.


Praising God in Spirit and Truth is good! As you know, however, I was speaking of the Fruit of the Spirit and I still can not tell individually with the group of people of their Fruit.

Not arguing.

I am waiting for someone to answer my question as to the "why" on being slain in the spirit and other happenings, when God manifests healings and deliverances without using this method?

I have heard testimonies from people of different things that happened when slain in the Spirit. But one that you might find interesting is a person who was having a really hard time forgiving someone that had hurt them. After being slain in the Spirit all the bitterness and anger was gone, they just remembered feeling very peaceful and loved.
My daughter was slain in the Spirit several years ago when she was still in high school. She had never seen it happen to anyone and had no idea what it was. We were not going to a Pentecostal church, she had been going there with friends. She said she felt very peaceful and something like warmth being poured over her from her head to her toes.
She was not being prayed for and the pastor hadn't done an altar call or anything like you usually see. She was praying for someone else with them. They both received a blessing and both were feeling joyful. The pastor came over and just lightly touched her arm and the arm of the other person and they both went down. If was totally unexpected and the pastor didn't even have time to catch either one of them.
And no this isn't a church that people roll and the floor, etc. I used to go there many years ago and Uncle R was as crazy as it got. What a sweetie he was, I still miss him. Praise and Worship he get so happy he'd do a little jig in the aisle and he was 70 yrs old then. Boy, he loved the Lord and he loved the Lord's people.

 

[Malachi]

People have been healed for 100's of years without having to fall on the floor. God doesn't need to do this in order to heal, He just does it.

Just to add a little more to that. In every healing in Scripture, the one who was healed was RAISED UP, never THROWN DOWN.

God does indeed heal in answer to the prayer of faith (James 5:13-18), but the sign gifts found in the Acts of the Apostles were given for the apostolic period, and for the authentication of the Gospel message to primarily unbelieving Jews (Heb 2:1-4), and according to the will of God.

When Epaphroditus was seriously sick, Paul was unable to use his gift of healing, and Epaphroditus nearly died. But the prayer of faith brought about his recovery (Phil 2:25-30). Already, towards the end of the apostolic period, the sign gifts were being withdrawn, and there is no record of the use of these gifts among Christians until the late 19th century, when Pentecostalism came into existence.