Limited atonement !

[brightfame52]

Ok, my issue is since we are all guilty sinners, how will God judge fairly if He sends some to hell only because He didn't elect them and others to eternal life only because He chose them? Is this not partiality, the very thing James tell us no to do?

James 2:9 (NASB) But if you show partiality, you are committing sin and are convicted by the law as transgressors.

He will judge fairly because those whom He sends to hell deserve it. Those He saved didt desrve it. How is God unjust in being gracious to some who didn't deserve it ?

 

[brightfame52]

Where does it say in the Bible that God only saves some from sin?


Why doesn’t He save anyone who believes the Gospel?

You act like God is obligated to save everyone. God has promised to save only a remnant, some !

God does save them who believe the Gospel, thats why they believe it. See the lost cant believe the Gospel because its hidden to the Lost, resulting in them believing not 2 Cor 4:3-4

3 But if our gospel be hid, it is hid to them that are lost:

4 In whom the god of this world hath blinded the minds of them which believe not, lest the light of the glorious gospel of Christ, who is the image of God, should shine unto them.

And they are lost and believe not because they are not of Christs Sheep that He died for Jn 10:26

26 But ye believe not, because ye are not of my sheep, as I said unto you.

 

[crossnote]

He will judge fairly because those whom He sends to hell deserve it. Those He saved didt desrve it. How is God unjust in being gracious to some who didn't deserve it ?

It would mean we have a schizophrenic God who behaves contrary to His nature...by being Partial when He tell us not to.

 

[brightfame52]

It would mean we have a schizophrenic God who behaves contrary to His nature...by being Partial when He tell us not to.

You sure thats what you want to say ?

 

[crossnote]

You sure thats what you want to say ?

Yes, if you are sure that God shows partiality in electing some and passing over others.

(Rom 2:11) For there is no partiality with God.

Deuteronomy 10:17
For the Lord your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.

(Act 10:34) Opening his mouth, Peter said: “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality,

(Eph 6:9) And masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him.

(Gal 2:6) But from those who were of considerable repute (what they were makes no difference to me; God shows no favoritism)—well, those who were of repute contributed nothing to me.

You give me man's logic; I give you God's Word. Please back up your case with Scripture.

 

[brightfame52]

Yes, if you are sure that God shows partiality in electing some and passing over others.

(Rom 2:11) For there is no partiality with God.

Deuteronomy 10:17
For the Lord your God is the God of gods and the Lord of lords, the great, the mighty, and the awesome God who does not show partiality nor take a bribe.

(Act 10:34) Opening his mouth, Peter said: “I most certainly understand now that God is not one to show partiality,

(Eph 6:9) And masters, do the same things to them, and give up threatening, knowing that both their Master and yours is in heaven, and there is no partiality with Him.

(Gal 2:6) But from those who were of considerable repute (what they were makes no difference to me; God shows no favoritism)—well, those who were of repute contributed nothing to me.

You give me man's logic; I give you God's Word. Please back up your case with Scripture.

Where did I say God shows partiality ?

 

[JLB]

See the lost cant believe the Gospel because its hidden to the Lost, resulting in them believing not 2 Cor 4:3-4

So you dont believe lost people can be saved?

If the lost can't be saved then who can?

 

[crossnote]

Where did I say God shows partiality ?

What would you call it if not partiality? (unfair bias in favor of one thing or person compared with another; favoritism.-Oxford Dictionary).

 

[journeymanisnothing]

God forgives His Elect and gives them repentance, His forgiveness is limited as is the Atonement of Christ Mic 7:18

Who is a God like unto thee, that pardoneth iniquity, and passeth by the transgression of the remnant of his heritage? he retaineth not his anger for ever, because he delighteth in mercy.

His mercy and forgiveness, and repentance is only for a remnant, do you know what a remnant is ?

The remnant are small group of believers left to preach the word. Paul says,

I left to Myself seven thousand men, who did not bow a knee to Baal.'So then also in the present time a remnant according to the choice of grace there hath been.....For to you I speak -- to the nations -- inasmuch as I am indeed an apostle of nations, my ministration I do glorify, if by any means I shall arouse to jealousy mine own flesh, and shall save some of them Rom.11:4-5,13-14

The gospel was never for an arbitrary purpose and never will be.

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Doesn’t the Son always DO the Father’s will?

John 5:19 KJV
[19] Then answered Jesus and said unto them, Verily, verily, I say unto you, The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do: for what things soever he doeth, these also doeth the Son likewise.

Yes dear friend. The Son of God always does the will of his Father. Jn.5:19 is what I've been telling you, because the Father is merciful, slow to anger toward sinners and the Son is also.
Instead of bringing the ungodly who mocked and tortured him into immediate judgment, he bore their sins against him.

as it is written: “The insults of those who insult you have fallen on me." Rom.15:3

For this is thankworthy, if a man for conscience toward God endure grief, SUFFERING WRONGFULLY.....because Christ also suffered for us, leaving us an example, that ye should follow his steps:
2Pet.2:19,21

 

[brightfame52]

So you dont believe lost people can be saved?

If the lost can't be saved then who can?

I dont know what you talking about. That came out of left field

 

[brightfame52]

What would you call it if not partiality? (unfair bias in favor of one thing or person compared with another; favoritism.-Oxford Dictionary).

So do you have a quote stating I said God shows favoritism ? Salvation is by Grace, its undeserved by anyone. Do you believe sinful men deserve Gods Grace ?

 

[brightfame52]

The remnant are small group of believers left to preach the word. Paul says,

I left to Myself seven thousand men, who did not bow a knee to Baal.'So then also in the present time a remnant according to the choice of grace there hath been.....For to you I speak -- to the nations -- inasmuch as I am indeed an apostle of nations, my ministration I do glorify, if by any means I shall arouse to jealousy mine own flesh, and shall save some of them Rom.11:4-5,13-14

The gospel was never for an arbitrary purpose and never will be.

Salvation is purposed by God only for a remnant. Same goes for His Mercy, Grace, Forgiveness. So the Death of Christ is only for a remnant, limited atonement.

 

[JLB]

I dont know what you talking about. That came out of left field

It came directly from your post.

See the lost cant believe the Gospel because its hidden to the Lost, resulting in them believing not 2 Cor 4:3-4

You plainly said, word for word… “the lost cant believe the Gospel because its hidden to the Lost, resulting in them believing not”


Again, I ask you based on your statement —

• If the lost can't be saved then who can?

JLB

 

[journeymanisnothing]

Salvation is purposed by God only for a remnant. Same goes for His Mercy, Grace, Forgiveness. So the Death of Christ is only for a remnant, limited atonement.

Our Lord will save anyone who receives him, not people who reject him,

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Jn.3:36

 

[crossnote]

So do you have a quote stating I said God shows favoritism ? Salvation is by Grace, its undeserved by anyone. Do you believe sinful men deserve Gods Grace ?

No, all have sinned, meaning no one deserves. Since no one deserves then (according to Calvinism), isn’t God showing favoritism when He chooses some but not others?
Why is my original question so difficult to answer? Is it because you can’t? If so, I understand, but what I don’t understand is how some can be so dogmatic in their ‘ism’ yet can’t answer a straight question when posed to them.

 

[brightfame52]

It came directly from your post.




You plainly said, word for word… “the lost cant believe the Gospel because its hidden to the Lost, resulting in them believing not”


Again, I ask you based on your statement —

• If the lost can't be saved then who can?

JLB

Okay, so the Gospel is hid to them that are Lost 2 Cor 4:3-4 ! It says nothing about the Lost cant be saved ! However as long as one is lost, the Gospel is hid, but when God saves a person, then the Gospel is no longer hid, it will be believed. Its simple

 

[JLB]

Our Lord will save anyone who receives him, not people who reject him,

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Jn.3:36

Amen.

The NASB says it this way --

“The one who believes in the Son has eternal life; but the one who does not [fn]obey the Son will not see life, but the wrath of God remains on him.”
John 3:36 NASB

 

[brightfame52]

Our Lord will save anyone who receives him, not people who reject him,

He that believeth on the Son hath everlasting life: and he that believeth not the Son shall not see life; but the wrath of God abideth on him. Jn.3:36

Again Salvation is limited to a remnant !

 

[JLB]

Okay, so the Gospel is hid to them that are Lost 2 Cor 4:3-4 ! It says nothing about the Lost cant be saved ! However as long as one is lost, the Gospel is hid, but when God saves a person, then the Gospel is no longer hid, it will be believed. Its simple

Again here are your words --


the lost cant believe the Gospel because its hidden to the Lost, resulting in them believing not”


Obviously then the condition to receive salvation is to believe.

Simple.


Glad you agree that before a person believes the Gospel they are lost.


Amen


JLB