Lose Your Salvation in Two Easy Steps

[archangel_300]

Even worse, some claim their good works keep them saved and they can lose their salvation if they don't obey all of the commandments...or if they die in sin, or come short of the mark, or don't "finish the race". Did it matter if the children of Israel were quaking in fear or doubting while the death angel passed over their house? No, the angel saw the blood on the door post and passed them by. They applied the blood.....that was their salvation.

Exactly!
I lot of great posts by the OSAS camp.

I certainly don't mean anyone any offense as I say this but I see the belief that one can lose their salvation in the same basket as the problem the Pharisees had when they thought they could be justified by their works of the law. I see this as a dangerous doctrine as it treads a very fine line between a works based gospel.

I can outline far many more verses than the eleven Cornelius mentioned and those that Destiny mentioned earlier on in this thread. These are all laws that were given by God and yes they are true but they are only effective if you live under the law. And those who live under the law are obligated to obey it entirely for salvation. Born again Christians are not under the law but under grace.

Galatians 3:10 For as many as are of the works of the law are under the curse; for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who does not continue in all things which are written in the book of the law, to do them.â€[a]

The law is there to show us that we desperately need a savior because none of us are going to be able to obey them perfectly to either keep or attain salvation. If we stumble only at one point of obedience we are a transgressor of the law.

James 2:10-11 For whoever shall keep the whole law, and yet stumble in one point, he is guilty of all.

Galatians 3:13-14 Christ has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a treeâ€[a]), 14 that the blessing of Abraham might come upon the Gentiles in Christ Jesus, that we might receive the promise of the Spirit through faith.

When we become saved we have freedom in Christ (not a license to sin). Christ has set me free from this bondage to the law.

As a born again believer we will (because of our new nature) manifest obedience to the law through our actions. We will never be able to obey them perfectly but thanks be to Christ who fulfilled the law for each one of us.

Galatians 5:1-6 Stand fast therefore in the liberty by which Christ has made us free,[a] and do not be entangled again with a yoke of bondage. 2 Indeed I, Paul, say to you that if you become circumcised, Christ will profit you nothing. 3 And I testify again to every man who becomes circumcised that he is a debtor to keep the whole law. 4 You have become estranged from Christ, you who attempt to be justified by law; you have fallen from grace. 5 For we through the Spirit eagerly wait for the hope of righteousness by faith. 6 For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision avails anything, but faith working through love.

 

[Cornelius]

Jas 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, even so faith apart from works is dead.

 

[Cornelius]

Rev 2:19 I know thy works, and thy love and faith and ministry and patience, and that thy last works are more than the first.

 

[Cornelius]

Act 5:32 And we are witnesses of these things; and so is the Holy Spirit, whom God hath given to them that obey him.

 

[Cornelius]

Rom 2:5 but after thy hardness and impenitent heart treasurest up for thyself wrath in the day of wrath and revelation of the righteous judgment of God;
Rom 2:6 who will render to every man according to his works:
Rom 2:7 to them that by patience in well-doing seek for glory and honor and incorruption, eternal life:
Rom 2:8 but unto them that are factious, and obey not the truth, but obey unrighteousness, shall be wrath and indignation,
Rom 2:9 tribulation and anguish, upon every soul of man that worketh evil, of the Jew first, and also of the Greek;

 

[AVBunyan]

Php 2:12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

Try reading the next verse for a change...

Phil 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

 

[destiny]

So far, after reading the osas posts here.. no one has of yet even comprehended where I stand with Jesus or anything I or others have posted. I'm thinking there could also be the fruit of Calvinism at work in this thread, this means there are probably some who don't think they even have a will to be responsible for. Is that right?

 

[Cornelius]

Rom 2:11 for there is no respect of persons with God.
Rom 2:12 For as many as have sinned without law shall also perish without the law: and as many as have sinned under the law shall be judged by the law;
Rom 2:13 for not the hearers of the law are just before God, but the doers of the law shall be justified:
Rom 2:14 (for when Gentiles that have not the law do by nature the things of the law, these, not having the law, are the law unto themselves;
Rom 2:15 in that they show the work of the law written in their hearts, their conscience bearing witness therewith, and their thoughts one with another accusing or else excusing them);
Rom 2:16 in the day when God shall judge the secrets of men, according to my gospel, by Jesus Christ.

The Law has been destroyed in the letter, and now has been transfered to the heart of the believer who will still keep it, because it is now written on their hearts. No need to read it on stone anymore, I carry it within me and obey it , because Jesus Christ has enabled me to do so, through His power , that worketh in me.

 

[glorydaz]

Why was the blood on the doorposts ? Why not on the windows or better still : on the roof ?

No the blood must be on the doorposts because we go "in and out" through the doorpost. It symbolizes the walk of obedience that is a result of humbling ourselves to the Word. When we obey they Word in our walk, we have the blood of Christ on our doorpost. The blood does not work, if is not "walked through" .

No obedience = no salvation.

And whose obedience would that be, brother? I submit it's Christ's.

For as by one man's disobedience many were made sinners, so by the obedience of one shall many be made righteous.

Nice try on the door posts, but that is not what's being taught by the Passover.
The sides and the upper post...too high for them to "walk through".
They remained inside until the death angel had passed over.
It's the aplication of the blood....it always has been and it always will be.

Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats: And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall kill it in the evening. And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.

 

[Cornelius]

Php 2:12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

Try reading the next verse for a change...

Phil 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

That is perfectly correct. But it does not alter : Php 2:12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

 

[Cornelius]

Rom 6:16 Know ye not, that to whom ye present yourselves as servants unto obedience, his servants ye are whom ye obey; whether of sin unto death, or of obedience unto righteousness?

 

[glorydaz]

Php 2:12 So then, my beloved, even as ye have always obeyed, not as in my presence only, but now much more in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling;

Try reading the next verse for a change...

Phil 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Conveniently overlooked. I do have to wonder why that is.

Man is forever seeking credit for his own salvation.

 

[Cornelius]

Gal 5:7 Ye were running well; who hindered you that ye should not obey the truth?


Heb 5:8 though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered;
Heb 5:9 and having been made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him the author of eternal salvation;

Only those who obey have salvation

 

[Cornelius]

2Co 10:5 casting down imaginations, and every high thing that is exalted against the knowledge of God, and bringing every thought into captivity to the obedience of Christ;
2Co 10:6 and being in readiness to avenge all disobedience, when your obedience shall be made full.

 

[glorydaz]

So far, after reading the osas posts here.. no one has of yet even comprehended where I stand with Jesus or anything I or others have posted. I'm thinking there could also be the fruit of Calvinism at work in this thread, this means there are probably some who don't think they even have a will to be responsible for. Is that right?

If you could be farther off base, I'm not sure you'd even be in the ballpark.

I submit you haven't yet read what we've written. Your mind is made up and the scriptures we give you don't get past your human understanding. You'll never understand if you don't let the Spirit open your eyes to what's being said. Do you read the verses we submit or just skim them?

I certainly believe in man's free will...he can reject the promises and stand on the warnings until he lives in fear all the days of his life. He can trust in himself or trust in the Lord. It's that simple.

It is ordained that the true children of God will show forth the fruit of the Spirit. Those who walk in disobedience are children of the devil. Those who love the Lord have been filled with the love of God and no longer walk after the flesh. We are new creatures....don't confuse those who "profess" with those who have been born again. For some reason, you insist on doing that.

 

[Cornelius]

I certainly believe in man's free will...

Phil 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

 

[Cornelius]

1Pe 1:13 Wherefore girding up the loins of your mind, be sober and set your hope perfectly on the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:14 as children of obedience, not fashioning yourselves according to your former lusts in the time of your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15 but like as he who called you is holy, be ye yourselves also holy in all manner of living;
1Pe 1:16 because it is written, Ye shall be holy; for I am holy.


No holiness = no salvation

 

[glorydaz]

Gal 5:7 Ye were running well; who hindered you that ye should not obey the truth?


Heb 5:8 though he was a Son, yet learned obedience by the things which he suffered;
Heb 5:9 and having been made perfect, he became unto all them that obey him the author of eternal salvation;

Only those who obey have salvation

Not one of the verses you post has a thing to do with salvation.
We are saved by Christ's obedience...not our own.

Those who were "running well" are those who started out with zeal...trusting in their own works to save them. They cannot obey the truth because they don't even know what it is. They are like the Jews who believed they had to do it all in order to be saved. Legalism...pure and simple.

 

[glorydaz]

1Pe 1:13 Wherefore girding up the loins of your mind, be sober and set your hope perfectly on the grace that is to be brought unto you at the revelation of Jesus Christ;
1Pe 1:14 as children of obedience, not fashioning yourselves according to your former lusts in the time of your ignorance:
1Pe 1:15 but like as he who called you is holy, be ye yourselves also holy in all manner of living;
1Pe 1:16 because it is written, Ye shall be holy; for I am holy.


No holiness = no salvation

Do you consider yourself holy or is it Christ's holiness in you?

 

[glorydaz]

I certainly believe in man's free will...

Phil 2:13 For it is God which worketh in you both to will and to do of his good pleasure.

Now you use that verse? Tack it onto the fear and trembling and you'll have the whole picture.