Man Conceived Religions

[Robert Pate]

All man conceived religions are false. Their purpose is to draw us away from Christ and his Gospel and into ourselves. All religions have one thing in common, they are all very subjective. The Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ is not subjective, it is objective because it took place over 2,000 years ago before we were born. If Satan can get us to focus on ourselves, who are sinners, he is very happy. There is no power in ourselves, the only power that we have comes from our faith in Christ and his Gospel. This is why Paul said, "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17. Religion is about us, who are the sinners, the Gospel is about Jesus Christ who is higher than the heavens, Hebrews 7:26. It is our faith in Christ and his Gospel that gives us the victory that overcomes the world, 1 John 5:4. And not a religion.

There is nothing in the New Testament about a Catholic church. There is nothing about the apostles holding a mass. There is nothing in the New Testament about a purgatory, holy water, etc. There were no Cathedrals. None of the apostles wore long robes, that is something that the religious loving Pharisees did. The apostles were not holy men, if anything they saw themselves as servants to others, 2 Corinthians 4:5. There were no hierarchy or popes. They saw themselves as all equal "In Christ". None were greater or lessor.

At the head of every religion there is a man, in the Catholic religion it is the pope. In the Calvinist religion it is John Calvin. In the Morman religion it was Joseph Smith. These men are the fathers of religion and are false prophets. None of them preached a Gospel that justifies the ungodly Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life: no man can come to the Father, but by me John 14:6.

 

[Free]

All man conceived religions are false. Their purpose is to draw us away from Christ and his Gospel and into ourselves. All religions have one thing in common, they are all very subjective. The Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ is not subjective, it is objective because it took place over 2,000 years ago before we were born. If Satan can get us to focus on ourselves, who are sinners, he is very happy. There is no power in ourselves, the only power that we have comes from our faith in Christ and his Gospel. This is why Paul said, "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17. Religion is about us, who are the sinners, the Gospel is about Jesus Christ who is higher than the heavens, Hebrews 7:26. It is our faith in Christ and his Gospel that gives us the victory that overcomes the world, 1 John 5:4. And not a religion.

There is nothing in the New Testament about a Catholic church. There is nothing about the apostles holding a mass. There is nothing in the New Testament about a purgatory, holy water, etc. There were no Cathedrals. None of the apostles wore long robes, that is something that the religious loving Pharisees did. The apostles were not holy men, if anything they saw themselves as servants to others, 2 Corinthians 4:5. There were no hierarchy or popes. They saw themselves as all equal "In Christ". None were greater or lessor.

At the head of every religion there is a man, in the Catholic religion it is the pope. In the Calvinist religion it is John Calvin. In the Morman religion it was Joseph Smith. These men are the fathers of religion and are false prophets. None of them preached a Gospel that justifies the ungodly Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life: no man can come to the Father, but by me John 14:6.

Firstly, how do you know what the apostles did and didn't wear? Secondly, Christianity is a religion by practically every definition of religion. Thirdly, Calvinism isn't a separate religion; it is a stream of theology within Christianity. Fourthly, it's "Mormon," not "Morman."

 

[Mungo]

All man conceived religions are false. Their purpose is to draw us away from Christ and his Gospel and into ourselves. All religions have one thing in common, they are all very subjective. The Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ is not subjective, it is objective because it took place over 2,000 years ago before we were born. If Satan can get us to focus on ourselves, who are sinners, he is very happy. There is no power in ourselves, the only power that we have comes from our faith in Christ and his Gospel. This is why Paul said, "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17. Religion is about us, who are the sinners, the Gospel is about Jesus Christ who is higher than the heavens, Hebrews 7:26. It is our faith in Christ and his Gospel that gives us the victory that overcomes the world, 1 John 5:4. And not a religion.

There is nothing in the New Testament about a Catholic church. There is nothing about the apostles holding a mass. There is nothing in the New Testament about a purgatory, holy water, etc. There were no Cathedrals. None of the apostles wore long robes, that is something that the religious loving Pharisees did. The apostles were not holy men, if anything they saw themselves as servants to others, 2 Corinthians 4:5. There were no hierarchy or popes. They saw themselves as all equal "In Christ". None were greater or lessor.

At the head of every religion there is a man, in the Catholic religion it is the pope. In the Calvinist religion it is John Calvin. In the Morman religion it was Joseph Smith. These men are the fathers of religion and are false prophets. None of them preached a Gospel that justifies the ungodly Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life: no man can come to the Father, but by me John 14:6.

(very) long on opinions and (very) short on facts.

 

[Robert Pate]

Firstly, how do you know what the apostles did and didn't wear? Secondly, Christianity is a religion by practically every definition of religion. Thirdly, Calvinism isn't a separate religion; it is a stream of theology within Christianity. Fourthly, it's "Mormon," not "Morman."

I don't see Christianity as a religion. Paul said, "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17. Living by faith does not include religion. Those that are living by faith are living by faith in Christ and his Gospel and not by rules, laws or religion. I think Mormon should be spelled Morman, because it is more about man than Christ.

 

[Robert Pate]

(very) long on opinions and (very) short on facts.

Here is a fact. There is nothing in the New Testament that resembles Catholicism.

 

[Mungo]

Here is a fact. There is nothing in the New Testament that resembles Catholicism.

That's an opinion.
Just like this:

Living by faith does not include religion. Those that are living by faith are living by faith in Christ and his Gospel and not by rules, laws or religion. I think Mormon should be spelled Morman, because it is more about man than Christ.

 

[Free]

I don't see Christianity as a religion.

You don't, but it is, by pretty much every accepted definition.

Paul said, "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17. Living by faith does not include religion.

That's called begging the question.

Those that are living by faith are living by faith in Christ and his Gospel and not by rules, laws or religion.

This, too, is begging the question. There are many rules and commands for believers in the NT, but even then, that is not what makes it a religion.

I think Mormon should be spelled Morman, because it is more about man than Christ.

I think it should be Mormon to show respect.

 

[Robert Pate]

You don't, but it is, by pretty much every accepted definition.


That's called begging the question.


This, too, is begging the question. There are many rules and commands for believers in the NT, but even then, that is not what makes it a religion.


I think it should be Mormon to show respect.

I don't have any respect for a cult.

There are no laws or rules for Christians, because, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" Romans 10:4. Because of that, "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17.

 

[Free]

I don't have any respect for a cult.

But you should still show respect for those with different beliefs and follow the Bible's command for believers to love others, including one's enemies, and treat them with gentleness and respect:

Rom 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. (ESV)

1Pe 3:15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
1Pe 3:16 having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. (ESV)

If you make fun of others' beliefs or don't treat them with respect, then you give them reason to slander you and bring the gospel into disrepute.

There are no laws or rules for Christians, because, "Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to everyone that believes" Romans 10:4.

You are committing the fallacy of equivocation. Rules and commands for believers have nothing to do with the law of Moses. Look at the verses I posted--there are numerous commands for believers.

Because of that, "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17.

Which has nothing to with rules and commands for believers to follow. Romans is absolutely filled with rules and commands for believers to follow, including the first half and last bit of Romans 13:

Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
Rom 13:2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval,
Rom 13:4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.
Rom 13:5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
Rom 13:6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.
Rom 13:7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
...
Rom 13:11 Besides this you know the time, that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed.
Rom 13:12 The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light.
Rom 13:13 Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy.
Rom 13:14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires. (ESV)

 

[Robert Pate]

But you should still show respect for those with different beliefs and follow the Bible's command for believers to love others, including one's enemies, and treat them with gentleness and respect:

Rom 13:8 Owe no one anything, except to love each other, for the one who loves another has fulfilled the law.
Rom 13:9 For the commandments, “You shall not commit adultery, You shall not murder, You shall not steal, You shall not covet,” and any other commandment, are summed up in this word: “You shall love your neighbor as yourself.”
Rom 13:10 Love does no wrong to a neighbor; therefore love is the fulfilling of the law. (ESV)

1Pe 3:15 but in your hearts honor Christ the Lord as holy, always being prepared to make a defense to anyone who asks you for a reason for the hope that is in you; yet do it with gentleness and respect,
1Pe 3:16 having a good conscience, so that, when you are slandered, those who revile your good behavior in Christ may be put to shame. (ESV)

If you make fun of others' beliefs or don't treat them with respect, then you give them reason to slander you and bring the gospel into disrepute.


You are committing the fallacy of equivocation. Rules and commands for believers have nothing to do with the law of Moses. Look at the verses I posted--there are numerous commands for believers.


Which has nothing to with rules and commands for believers to follow. Romans is absolutely filled with rules and commands for believers to follow, including the first half and last bit of Romans 13:

Rom 13:1 Let every person be subject to the governing authorities. For there is no authority except from God, and those that exist have been instituted by God.
Rom 13:2 Therefore whoever resists the authorities resists what God has appointed, and those who resist will incur judgment.
Rom 13:3 For rulers are not a terror to good conduct, but to bad. Would you have no fear of the one who is in authority? Then do what is good, and you will receive his approval,
Rom 13:4 for he is God's servant for your good. But if you do wrong, be afraid, for he does not bear the sword in vain. For he is the servant of God, an avenger who carries out God's wrath on the wrongdoer.
Rom 13:5 Therefore one must be in subjection, not only to avoid God's wrath but also for the sake of conscience.
Rom 13:6 For because of this you also pay taxes, for the authorities are ministers of God, attending to this very thing.
Rom 13:7 Pay to all what is owed to them: taxes to whom taxes are owed, revenue to whom revenue is owed, respect to whom respect is owed, honor to whom honor is owed.
...
Rom 13:11 Besides this you know the time, that the hour has come for you to wake from sleep. For salvation is nearer to us now than when we first believed.
Rom 13:12 The night is far gone; the day is at hand. So then let us cast off the works of darkness and put on the armor of light.
Rom 13:13 Let us walk properly as in the daytime, not in orgies and drunkenness, not in sexual immorality and sensuality, not in quarreling and jealousy.
Rom 13:14 But put on the Lord Jesus Christ, and make no provision for the flesh, to gratify its desires. (ESV)

Both the law and the Gospel should be preached. The Gospel is for believers. The law is for unbelievers, "Knowing this, that the law is not made for the righteous man (Christians) but for the lawless and disobedient" 1 Timothy 1:9. If you are lawless and disobedient, then the law is for you.

 

[Free]

Both the law and the Gospel should be preached. The Gospel is for believers. The law is for unbelievers, "Knowing this, that the law is not made for the righteous man (Christians) but for the lawless and disobedient" 1 Timothy 1:9. If you are lawless and disobedient, then the law is for you.

Again, you are committing the fallacy of equivocation. Are you denying that Romans 13 contains rules and commands for believers?

What about these:

1Co 14:37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord.
1Co 14:38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
1Co 14:39 So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

2Th 3:4 And we have confidence in the Lord about you, that you are doing and will do the things that we command.
2Th 3:5 May the Lord direct your hearts to the love of God and to the steadfastness of Christ.
2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.
2Th 3:7 For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not idle when we were with you,
2Th 3:8 nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you.
2Th 3:9 It was not because we do not have that right, but to give you in ourselves an example to imitate.
2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.
2Th 3:11 For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies.
2Th 3:12 Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living.
2Th 3:13 As for you, brothers, do not grow weary in doing good.
2Th 3:14 If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed.
2Th 3:15 Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

1Ti 4:11 Command and teach these things.

1Ti 5:7 Command these things as well, so that they may be without reproach.

1Ti 6:13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession,
1Ti 6:14 to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1Jn 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
...
1Jn 2:7 Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard.
1Jn 2:8 At the same time, it is a new commandment that I am writing to you, which is true in him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining.

1Jn 3:22 and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.
1Jn 3:24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.

1Jn 4:20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.
1Jn 4:21 And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.

2Jn 1:4 I rejoiced greatly to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as we were commanded by the Father.
2Jn 1:5 And now I ask you, dear lady—not as though I were writing you a new commandment, but the one we have had from the beginning—that we love one another.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it.

(All ESV.)

Throughout the NT are not only rules and commands for believers to follow, we clearly have many instances of Paul and John saying that they are commanding things and that true believers will follow those commands, the commands that ultimately come from Christ, out of our love for him.

I have posted some of those rules and commands here and have posted many more to you before, yet not once have you bothered to address them. You just keep repeating the same things based on at least two fallacies. It cannot be any clearer that there are rules and commands for believers. To say otherwise is to ignore and go against a large portion of the NT.

 

[donadams]

Firstly, how do you know what the apostles did and didn't wear? Secondly, Christianity is a religion by practically every definition of religion. Thirdly, Calvinism isn't a separate religion; it is a stream of theology within Christianity. Fourthly, it's "Mormon," not "Morman."

Did Christ wear special garb?
Thanks

 

[donadams]

All man conceived religions are false. Their purpose is to draw us away from Christ and his Gospel and into ourselves. All religions have one thing in common, they are all very subjective. The Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ is not subjective, it is objective because it took place over 2,000 years ago before we were born. If Satan can get us to focus on ourselves, who are sinners, he is very happy. There is no power in ourselves, the only power that we have comes from our faith in Christ and his Gospel. This is why Paul said, "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17. Religion is about us, who are the sinners, the Gospel is about Jesus Christ who is higher than the heavens, Hebrews 7:26. It is our faith in Christ and his Gospel that gives us the victory that overcomes the world, 1 John 5:4. And not a religion.

There is nothing in the New Testament about a Catholic church. There is nothing about the apostles holding a mass. There is nothing in the New Testament about a purgatory, holy water, etc. There were no Cathedrals. None of the apostles wore long robes, that is something that the religious loving Pharisees did. The apostles were not holy men, if anything they saw themselves as servants to others, 2 Corinthians 4:5. There were no hierarchy or popes. They saw themselves as all equal "In Christ". None were greater or lessor.

At the head of every religion there is a man, in the Catholic religion it is the pope. In the Calvinist religion it is John Calvin. In the Morman religion it was Joseph Smith. These men are the fathers of religion and are false prophets. None of them preached a Gospel that justifies the ungodly Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life: no man can come to the Father, but by me John 14:6.

Did Christ found a church?

 

[Free]

Did Christ wear special garb?
Thanks

I don’t know; the Bible doesn’t say.

 

[donadams]

I don’t know; the Bible doesn’t say.

Really? The high priest was required to wear special garb and scripture says He was wearing the seamless garment at the cross. Thanks

 

[jaybo]

Again, you are committing the fallacy of equivocation. Are you denying that Romans 13 contains rules and commands for believers?

What about these:

1Co 14:37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord.
1Co 14:38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
1Co 14:39 So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

2Th 3:4 And we have confidence in the Lord about you, that you are doing and will do the things that we command.
2Th 3:5 May the Lord direct your hearts to the love of God and to the steadfastness of Christ.
2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.
2Th 3:7 For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not idle when we were with you,
2Th 3:8 nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you.
2Th 3:9 It was not because we do not have that right, but to give you in ourselves an example to imitate.
2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.
2Th 3:11 For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies.
2Th 3:12 Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living.
2Th 3:13 As for you, brothers, do not grow weary in doing good.
2Th 3:14 If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed.
2Th 3:15 Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

1Ti 4:11 Command and teach these things.

1Ti 5:7 Command these things as well, so that they may be without reproach.

1Ti 6:13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession,
1Ti 6:14 to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1Jn 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
...
1Jn 2:7 Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard.
1Jn 2:8 At the same time, it is a new commandment that I am writing to you, which is true in him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining.

1Jn 3:22 and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.
1Jn 3:24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.

1Jn 4:20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.
1Jn 4:21 And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.

2Jn 1:4 I rejoiced greatly to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as we were commanded by the Father.
2Jn 1:5 And now I ask you, dear lady—not as though I were writing you a new commandment, but the one we have had from the beginning—that we love one another.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it.

(All ESV.)

Throughout the NT are not only rules and commands for believers to follow, we clearly have many instances of Paul and John saying that they are commanding things and that true believers will follow those commands, the commands that ultimately come from Christ, out of our love for him.

I have posted some of those rules and commands here and have posted many more to you before, yet not once have you bothered to address them. You just keep repeating the same things based on at least two fallacies. It cannot be any clearer that there are rules and commands for believers. To say otherwise is to ignore and go against a large portion of the NT.

You neglected these verses, "To the married I give this command—not I but the Lord—that the wife should not separate from her husband (but if she does separate, let her remain unmarried or else be reconciled to her husband) and that the husband should not divorce his wife.

To the rest I say—I and not the Lord—that if any brother has a wife who is an unbeliever and she consents to live with him, he should not divorce her. And if any woman has a husband who is an unbeliever and he consents to live with her, she should not divorce the husband." 1 Corinthians 7:10-13

Clearly not everything Paul wrote is from God. Some of it is his personal opinions. This applies to others also.

On a more fundamental note, obeying the Old Covenant involves keeping rules (written or oral commands). The New Covenant involves being internally guided by the Holy Spirit. The two covenants don't mix!

As I have said before, what Biblical rules involve such things as exceeding the speed limit, writing a bad check, watching internet porn, betting on the Super Bowl, etc?

 

[Robert Pate]

Did Christ found a church?

Of course. Beware of man conceived religions.

 

[Robert Pate]

Again, you are committing the fallacy of equivocation. Are you denying that Romans 13 contains rules and commands for believers?

What about these:

1Co 14:37 If anyone thinks that he is a prophet, or spiritual, he should acknowledge that the things I am writing to you are a command of the Lord.
1Co 14:38 If anyone does not recognize this, he is not recognized.
1Co 14:39 So, my brothers, earnestly desire to prophesy, and do not forbid speaking in tongues.

2Th 3:4 And we have confidence in the Lord about you, that you are doing and will do the things that we command.
2Th 3:5 May the Lord direct your hearts to the love of God and to the steadfastness of Christ.
2Th 3:6 Now we command you, brothers, in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, that you keep away from any brother who is walking in idleness and not in accord with the tradition that you received from us.
2Th 3:7 For you yourselves know how you ought to imitate us, because we were not idle when we were with you,
2Th 3:8 nor did we eat anyone's bread without paying for it, but with toil and labor we worked night and day, that we might not be a burden to any of you.
2Th 3:9 It was not because we do not have that right, but to give you in ourselves an example to imitate.
2Th 3:10 For even when we were with you, we would give you this command: If anyone is not willing to work, let him not eat.
2Th 3:11 For we hear that some among you walk in idleness, not busy at work, but busybodies.
2Th 3:12 Now such persons we command and encourage in the Lord Jesus Christ to do their work quietly and to earn their own living.
2Th 3:13 As for you, brothers, do not grow weary in doing good.
2Th 3:14 If anyone does not obey what we say in this letter, take note of that person, and have nothing to do with him, that he may be ashamed.
2Th 3:15 Do not regard him as an enemy, but warn him as a brother.

1Ti 4:11 Command and teach these things.

1Ti 5:7 Command these things as well, so that they may be without reproach.

1Ti 6:13 I charge you in the presence of God, who gives life to all things, and of Christ Jesus, who in his testimony before Pontius Pilate made the good confession,
1Ti 6:14 to keep the commandment unstained and free from reproach until the appearing of our Lord Jesus Christ,

1Jn 2:3 And by this we know that we have come to know him, if we keep his commandments.
1Jn 2:4 Whoever says “I know him” but does not keep his commandments is a liar, and the truth is not in him,
...
1Jn 2:7 Beloved, I am writing you no new commandment, but an old commandment that you had from the beginning. The old commandment is the word that you have heard.
1Jn 2:8 At the same time, it is a new commandment that I am writing to you, which is true in him and in you, because the darkness is passing away and the true light is already shining.

1Jn 3:22 and whatever we ask we receive from him, because we keep his commandments and do what pleases him.
1Jn 3:23 And this is his commandment, that we believe in the name of his Son Jesus Christ and love one another, just as he has commanded us.
1Jn 3:24 Whoever keeps his commandments abides in God, and God in him. And by this we know that he abides in us, by the Spirit whom he has given us.

1Jn 4:20 If anyone says, “I love God,” and hates his brother, he is a liar; for he who does not love his brother whom he has seen cannot love God whom he has not seen.
1Jn 4:21 And this commandment we have from him: whoever loves God must also love his brother.

2Jn 1:4 I rejoiced greatly to find some of your children walking in the truth, just as we were commanded by the Father.
2Jn 1:5 And now I ask you, dear lady—not as though I were writing you a new commandment, but the one we have had from the beginning—that we love one another.
2Jn 1:6 And this is love, that we walk according to his commandments; this is the commandment, just as you have heard from the beginning, so that you should walk in it.

(All ESV.)

Throughout the NT are not only rules and commands for believers to follow, we clearly have many instances of Paul and John saying that they are commanding things and that true believers will follow those commands, the commands that ultimately come from Christ, out of our love for him.

I have posted some of those rules and commands here and have posted many more to you before, yet not once have you bothered to address them. You just keep repeating the same things based on at least two fallacies. It cannot be any clearer that there are rules and commands for believers. To say otherwise is to ignore and go against a large portion of the NT.

The law and the commandments are for unbelievers. The Gospel is for believers. 1 Timothy 1:9-11.

 

[GodsGrace]

All man conceived religions are false. Their purpose is to draw us away from Christ and his Gospel and into ourselves. All religions have one thing in common, they are all very subjective. The Historical Gospel of Jesus Christ is not subjective, it is objective because it took place over 2,000 years ago before we were born. If Satan can get us to focus on ourselves, who are sinners, he is very happy. There is no power in ourselves, the only power that we have comes from our faith in Christ and his Gospel. This is why Paul said, "The just shall live by faith" Romans 1:17. Religion is about us, who are the sinners, the Gospel is about Jesus Christ who is higher than the heavens, Hebrews 7:26. It is our faith in Christ and his Gospel that gives us the victory that overcomes the world, 1 John 5:4. And not a religion.

There is nothing in the New Testament about a Catholic church. There is nothing about the apostles holding a mass. There is nothing in the New Testament about a purgatory, holy water, etc. There were no Cathedrals. None of the apostles wore long robes, that is something that the religious loving Pharisees did. The apostles were not holy men, if anything they saw themselves as servants to others, 2 Corinthians 4:5. There were no hierarchy or popes. They saw themselves as all equal "In Christ". None were greater or lessor.

At the head of every religion there is a man, in the Catholic religion it is the pope. In the Calvinist religion it is John Calvin. In the Morman religion it was Joseph Smith. These men are the fathers of religion and are false prophets. None of them preached a Gospel that justifies the ungodly Romans 4:5 and reconciles the world unto God, 2 Corinthians 5:18-19. Jesus said, "I am the way, the truth and the life: no man can come to the Father, but by me John 14:6.

The middle paragraph has many factual errors in it.

First of all, Catholicism is not a man-made religion.

Second, Jesus said that whenever we gather, we should remember Him in the wine and bread.
so, do you think no one has ever gathered in His name after He died? That's called The Mass.
This existed for the entire time before A Service.

Third. You're right about the cathedrals, they came about hundreds of years later as an honor to God. All beauty is from God.

The Apostles didn't wear long robes?
What did they wear? Did you know why Jesus' tunic was so valuable?
Because people were very poor back then and they used their tunic to sleep, as a pillow.
It also served for warmth.

The Apostles were HOLY. Do you know what holy means?
Set apart for service to God. They certainly were that.

There was a hierarchy even in the book of Acts.
And definetly after the Apostles passed on.
It would have been quite chaotic with one.

I don't like to let such obvious error go by.
It's just for your own information.
No wish to debate it.

 

[Robert Pate]

The middle paragraph has many factual errors in it.

First of all, Catholicism is not a man-made religion.

Second, Jesus said that whenever we gather, we should remember Him in the wine and bread.
so, do you think no one has ever gathered in His name after He died? That's called The Mass.
This existed for the entire time before A Service.

Third. You're right about the cathedrals, they came about hundreds of years later as an honor to God. All beauty is from God.

The Apostles didn't wear long robes?
What did they wear? Did you know why Jesus' tunic was so valuable?
Because people were very poor back then and they used their tunic to sleep, as a pillow.
It also served for warmth.

The Apostles were HOLY. Do you know what holy means?
Set apart for service to God. They certainly were that.

There was a hierarchy even in the book of Acts.
And definetly after the Apostles passed on.
It would have been quite chaotic with one.

I don't like to let such obvious error go by.
It's just for your own information.
No wish to debate it.

There is no mention of a Catholic church in the Bible. John wrote to the seven churches in Asia, Revelation 1:4. Nothing about a church in Rome. There is no evidence that Peter went to Rome. The Catholic church is full of heresies because it is not based upon the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It is a works religion.

The apostles were ordinary men.