Mark of The Beast

[turnorburn]

This kind of control..

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Can you think of any one organization that has such control both secular "civil" and religious?

tob

 

[smaller]

This kind of control..

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Can you think of any one organization that has such control both secular "civil" and religious?

tob

If you read the accounts of Revelation accurately you will find that the merchants of the earth, the real power brokers, barter in the souls of men. (Rev. 18:13)

In order to understand what is going on one must get past the fleshly outlooks, as such sights are basically worthless as a point of approach.

The merchants are not viewable, yet they exist as a power faction in/on the earth.

 

[turnorburn]

I'm talking about an organization that has this control over the merchants, in the way of legal binding contracts?

tob

 

[smaller]

I'm talking about an organization that has this control over the merchants, in the way of legal binding contracts?

tob

There is only one scriptural party that has access to the barter of the souls of men and it's not other flesh men nor can any written contract engage the soul of a man.

It is only the devil and his messengers who have such powers over the souls of men. And the majority of the world are and always have been his pawns and his barter.

 

[Deborah13]

This kind of control..

Revelation 13:16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:

17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.

Can you think of any one organization that has such control both secular "civil" and religious?

tob

The Roman empire did. The power to buy and sell was controlled by the empire's restrictions. Many, most had to declare the emperor/Caesar to be a god. Look at some of the their coins from that period.
There were many martyrs because they would not give this title of god to the Caesar.
Polycarp and many other were martyred long before the Roman church was established.
Let's look at Nero, a Caesar who pretty much thought of himself as a god.
"Nero was the “Caesar” to whom Paul appealed for justice during his trial in Jerusalem (Acts 25:10-12).....
Nero’s legacy, however, is not a pleasant one. Although his regime began with mildness and idealism, it ended with cruelty and tyranny. He began murdering anyone who became an obstacle to him; his victims include his own wife and mother as well as his step-brother Britannicus—Emperor Claudius’s biological son. In July of 64, the Great Fire of Rome broke out and lasted for six days. Of Rome’s fourteen districts, only three escaped damage from the fire. Some historians believe Nero may have been responsible for the fire, although his involvement is not clear. What is clear, however, is that Nero deflected the focus from himself by blaming the fire on the Christians, many of whom he tortured and killed. The historian Tacitus describes these atrocities: “Covered with the skins of beasts, they [Christians] were torn by dogs and perished, or were nailed to crosses, or were doomed to the flames and burnt, to serve as nightly illumination when daylight had expired.” His use of Christians as human torches to light his evening garden parties is well documented. Ultimately, it is the brutality inflicted on the early Christians for which Nero is best remembered."

Read more: http://www.gotquestions.org/who-was-Nero.html#ixzz3LuOBTaib

1Jn 2:18 Little youths, it is the last hour; and even as ye heard that the antichrist doth come, even now antichrists have become many--whence we know that it is the last hour;

 

[turnorburn]

They still have control over both the secular and the religious realm, by way of concordats, with just about every nation on the face of the planet..

tob

 

[smaller]

They still have control over both the secular and the religious realm, by way of concordats, with just about every nation on the face of the planet..

tob

That's too bad. I thought you might be going somewhere more interesting than roman witch hunting. So I withdraw my vote of agreement to your opener if that's where it's headed.

 

[turnorburn]

That's O.k. because requests to government officials or Members of Parliament or Congress in the United States, Canada, Ireland and England for copies of the respective nation's concordats with the Vatican have repeatedly gone unanswered...

tob

 

[jasonc]

That's O.k. because requests to government officials or Members of Parliament or Congress in the United States, Canada, Ireland and England for copies of the respective nation's concordats with the Vatican have repeatedly gone unanswered...

tob

the us library of congress doesn't have them? I doubt that is some security issue.

 

[turnorburn]

Don't know Jason they/somebody took the site off line, now its page not found..

http://www.thekingofsalem.com/2011/06/173-countries-forward-millions-of.html

tob

 

[Kathi]

How many say the beast is a system a system that has complete control over both the secular and religious world?

tob

I think that the beast will have control over all those in the tribulation.There will be some who have given their life to Christ and some who have not.I think most will be clueless to who he actually is and will fall for him hook,line and sinker.

 

[TOG]

Don't know Jason they/somebody took the site off line, now its page not found..

http://www.thekingofsalem.com/2011/06/173-countries-forward-millions-of.html

tob

There are some "interesting things on that site, even though the article you linked to (not the whole site) is missing. For example, this:

Melquisedec is the name of God; without beginning or end of days, without genealogy, without father or mother (Hebrews 7:3). The one and only Sovereign God who blessed the father of faith, Abraham, receiving the tithes from him and of whom today testimony is given that He lives Forever (Hebrews 7:8).
For more than 2,000 years, the world has not known the Order of Melquisedec. God has manifested himself in different occasions to humanity, to his people in various different forms which includes incarnating himself in a man to fulfill purposes. The body in which God dresses himself to manifest as a human is known as “Veil” (Hebrews 10:20). Examples are: 1) Jesus of Nazareth - so that with his death and resurrection he removed sin and gave the beginning of the new covenant 2) His Second Coming as the Man Christ Jesus, Jose Luis De Jesus, to explain those benefits and edify the Church with the true gospel.

Or this...

SIN DOES NOT EXIST

In the consummation of the ages, when Jesus of Nazareth said: “It is finished”, and he expired, he put an end to the era of sin:

• His death put an end to the law. Romans 10:4
• Where there is no law, there is no accusation of sin. Romans 5:13

Not quite the kind of site I want to base my beliefs on.

The TOG​

 

[turnorburn]

i was looking for something specific TOG there are other sites that have the same information that was deleted..

Prior to 1989, the Holy See signed international agreements primarily with European and Latin American countries. Vatican control can be seen very clearly in those nations where concordats have long been established as, for example, in Germany under the extant concordat worked out between under Pius XII and Hitler. The Vatican's desire to maintain civil relations with other nations is now greater than ever. From 1950 to 1999, 128 concordats were signed between Rome and various states. In the course of nine years, 43 concordats were signed between the Holy See and other nations.

Even nations of the Middle East, Asia, and Africa are entering juridical agreements with Rome. Moreover, the Church of Rome has much influence in national and international laws, particularly in the nations in which she has papal nuncios as ambassadors. At present she maintains diplomatic relations with 172 countries at embassy level. According to the Catholic Almanac, papal representatives "receive from the Roman Pontiff the charge of representing him in a fixed way in the various nations or regions of the world." "An apostolic nuncio has the diplomatic rank of ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary. Traditionally, because the diplomatic service of the Holy See has the longest uninterrupted history in the world, a nuncio has precedence among diplomats in the country to which he is accredited and serves as dean of the diplomatic corps on state occasions."5

http://www.the-highway.com/vaticancontrol_Bennett.html

tob

 

[smaller]

i was looking for something specific TOG there are other sites that have the same information that was deleted..

Prior to 1989, the Holy See signed international agreements primarily with European and Latin American countries. Vatican control can be seen very clearly in those nations where concordats have long been established as, for example, in Germany under the extant concordat worked out between under Pius XII and Hitler. The Vatican's desire to maintain civil relations with other nations is now greater than ever. From 1950 to 1999, 128 concordats were signed between Rome and various states. In the course of nine years, 43 concordats were signed between the Holy See and other nations.

Even nations of the Middle East, Asia, and Africa are entering juridical agreements with Rome. Moreover, the Church of Rome has much influence in national and international laws, particularly in the nations in which she has papal nuncios as ambassadors. At present she maintains diplomatic relations with 172 countries at embassy level. According to the Catholic Almanac, papal representatives "receive from the Roman Pontiff the charge of representing him in a fixed way in the various nations or regions of the world." "An apostolic nuncio has the diplomatic rank of ambassador extraordinary and plenipotentiary. Traditionally, because the diplomatic service of the Holy See has the longest uninterrupted history in the world, a nuncio has precedence among diplomats in the country to which he is accredited and serves as dean of the diplomatic corps on state occasions."5

http://www.the-highway.com/vaticancontrol_Bennett.html

tob

I hate to tell you this but most modern governments abandoned faith/christian based legal systems quite a long time ago in favor of non-religious establishment of laws called ethics based laws that have no association with the Vatican, nor do they control laws. They are entirely different legal systems. Most of the free world has rejected their systems entirely.

 

[jasonc]

Lord a lot of stuff to ponder

Kind of long, But, for those who listen, so worthwhile!

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

I think that the beast will have control over all those in the tribulation.There will be some who have given their life to Christ and some who have not.I think most will be clueless to who he actually is and will fall for him hook,line and sinker.

The beast that was and is not but yet is a person it's the same as he who ascends out the bottomless pit.

The only man known that is going to ascend out the bottom less put is satan

But the scriptures say the beast is a kingdom and so it is for the 7 head beast with ten horns is not just a kingdom but satans kingdom

The seventh king is the last king and the eight king which is of the seven is the devil .. For the devil and the seventh king will work of the same power of all lying wonders but the seventh king will be one of the first to be casted into hell fire Satan will be cast into the bottom less pit till the appointed time.

The seventh king and the little horn are the same person but by the time the seventh king arises he will no longer be little neither a horn but a head the head over all the kings of the earth for all shall worship his god .

All those who understand to whom it is appointed will die but raise and many will be saved and many will be tried.

Watch the tidings but never depart from the scriptures.

In the appointed time Kathy u will understand all these things if it's gods will . All this may seem strange to u but soon in a short few years u will understand just keep watching

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

When the beast with two horns arises who spoke as a dragon even when the false prophet of revelation shows him self. They who have understanding will understand and they who only believes by signs and wonders like the rest if the world they will be deceived and believe on the god of the little horn and will worship the beast and the dragon satan himself

 

[JLB]

There are some "interesting things on that site, even though the article you linked to (not the whole site) is missing. For example, this:




Or this...



Not quite the kind of site I want to base my beliefs on.

The TOG​

It's just Preterist nonsense.

The Resurrection is not past.

The Second Coming is not past.

The Great Tribulation is not past.


JLB

 

[ezrider]

It's just Preterist nonsense.

The Resurrection is not past.

The Second Coming is not past.

The Great Tribulation is not past.


JLB

You understand nothing as you should. Did not Christ take unto himself the judgement of the World through his death and crucifixion? Are we not told that our sins have been forgiven us? Who has told you that the judgement is not past.? Do you not believe in the words of Christ?

You think of yourself as a judge, ruling on what you think the word of God says. But you do not hear what the word of God says, because you sit in judgment over it. If you truly heard what the Word of God says, then you would know yourself as one already judged.

 

[TOG]

It's just Preterist nonsense.

The Resurrection is not past.

The Second Coming is not past.

The Great Tribulation is not past.


JLB

It's more than just Preterist nonsense. It also claims that some guy named Jose Luis De Jesus is a manifestation of God.

The TOG​