Mark of The Beast

[JLB]

You understand nothing as you should. Did not Christ take unto himself the judgement of the World through his death and crucifixion? Are we not told that our sins have been forgiven us? Who has told you that the judgement is not past.? Do you not believe in the words of Christ?

You think of yourself as a judge, ruling on what you think the word of God says. But you do not hear what the word of God says, because you sit in judgment over it. If you truly heard what the Word of God says, then you would know yourself as one already judged.

so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28

 

[smaller]

The beast that was and is not but yet is a person it's the same as he who ascends out the bottomless pit.

The only man known that is going to ascend out the bottom less put is satan

Satan is not going to be an individual human being. What in the world are you thinking?

Is Satan some kind of anti-Superman human being who is going to come flying in out of a bottomless pit?

smh...too many theological comic books in play to even begin to unfold.

 

[ezrider]

so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28

You quote the scripture thinking that you are saying something yourself, but you are not. You do not listen to the Word of God, or you would Know Thyself as a man already judged; But you do not even know what that means, do you?

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

Satan is not going to be an individual human being. What in the world are you thinking?

Is Satan some kind of anti-Superman human being who is going to come flying in out of a bottomless pit?

smh...too many theological comic books in play to even begin to unfold.

A son is of his father and a daughter is of her mother. We were all created by god but why does jesus tell the scribes that their father is the devil?

Understand, the bible us written in parables. So only gods people can read listen and understand it.

The riddle of the beast that was and is not but yet is. Is this. The beast that was and is not but yet is. Is satan . For the scriptures say the beast shall ascend out of the bottomless pit but go into perdition. But the scripture say the beast is a kingdom and so it is. For its satans kingdom. The scripture say the beast that was and is not but yet is even he is the eight but is of the seven

The seventh king is the little horn. But he will work all his power in the power of the devil. Their spirit are the same the frog like spirit that came out the mouth of the beast and out the mouth of the dragon and out the mouth of the false prophet are the same frog like spirit working miracles

The seventh king is the son of satan tho satan has many sons for all the children of perdition is satans sons and daughters but. The little horn the seventh king abu bakr al baghdadi. When it comes to who is the greatest of the sons of the desolate. He is the greatest because he will do the greatest evil and cause many to worship his father the devil . Therefore he is of the seven for in works they are one

One thing many of u I believe are ignorant of is how the scriptures say Satan comes.

The devil doesn't come like red dragon with horns but he comes as an angel of light. He comes like he is the good guy.

When u hear doctrines that preach another jesus or man claim to be equal or greater than jesus like how the Muslims portray Muhammad . Keep in mind satan comes as a angel of light

 

[smaller]

A son is of his father and a daughter is of her mother. We were all created by god but why does jesus tell the scribes that their father is the devil?

Because this happened to them. They were TEMPLE Priests for the most part, the Pharisees and the Sadducees. That put them as front line members of this battle, here, because they handled the WORD of God and when anyone does that, this happens:

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

When you read of men such as them, you should have an awareness of what happened to them INTERNALLY. Upon the entrance of Satan to steal and to blind it is no longer just the question of the individual, but the individual and THE THIEF/ROBBER who entered them.

If you see only Pharisee as an individual you will miss his CAPTOR and mistake the individual as being the child of the devil when in fact they are captive to same, as all blind men are.

Understand, the bible us written in parables. So only gods people can read listen and understand it.

And I might say if we read and MISS the other party, that such sight has already been blinded and mistakes the man for the devil.

The riddle of the beast that was and is not but yet is. Is this. The beast that was and is not but yet is. Is satan .

The beast is a bit more interesting of a subject, but yes, there is a sure connection to Satan in the matters of the beast without any doubt. We know for example that the Harlot of Babylon, that woman, rides the beast. We can also see that where she sits is here:

Revelation 17:15
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

There, where the whore sitteth are PEOPLE.

These would be the PEOPLE who have their MINDS blinded to the Gospel by our mutual adversary, the god of this world, Satan.

For the scriptures say the beast shall ascend out of the bottomless pit but go into perdition. But the scripture say the beast is a kingdom and so it is. For its satans kingdom. The scripture say the beast that was and is not but yet is even he is the eight but is of the seven

These matters can get very progressively complex. It's important to establish the components to every parable. For that I point to Jesus in Mark 4 where He says to understand ALL parables, and in this I would include allegories as well, it's important to get the basic components to the account in order to establish legitmacy of any dissections.

The basic components to understanding any parable are these.

God, Satan and people.

The devil doesn't come like red dragon with horns but he comes as an angel of light. He comes like he is the good guy.

When u hear doctrines that preach another jesus or man claim to be equal or greater than jesus like how the Muslims portray Muhammad . Keep in mind satan comes as a angel of light

And to that I would generally agree as well. Just like the Pharisees, the christians are also on the front lines of the battles today, SO it is likely to conclude in the fact that the headliners of INTERNAL DECEPTION will be 'in the churches.'

If we look at the preamble of Jesus in Revelation to the SEVEN CHURCHES, the WORKS AND WAYS OF SATAN are addressed therein to ALL of them.

When we are heeded to LISTEN to the Words of the Spirit we must each individual take those Words we don't like PERSONALLY. We all tend to insulate ourselves automatically from the BAD WORDS and say to ourselves, 'these don't apply to ME.'

When we do, we have already violated Jesus Commands to LISTEN:

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches"

When we DON'T hear the words we DON'T like and say in our hearts, 'these don't apply to me because....'

we are not hearing, but we DEFRAY those Words away from our sweet old selves.

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

Because this happened to them. They were TEMPLE Priests for the most part, the Pharisees and the Sadducees. That put them as front line members of this battle, here, because they handled the WORD of God and when anyone does that, this happens:

Mark 4:15
And these are they by the way side, where the word is sown; but when they have heard, Satan cometh immediately, and taketh away the word that was sown in their hearts.

When you read of men such as them, you should have an awareness of what happened to them INTERNALLY. Upon the entrance of Satan to steal and to blind it is no longer just the question of the individual, but the individual and THE THIEF/ROBBER who entered them.

If you see only Pharisee as an individual you will miss his CAPTOR and mistake the individual as being the child of the devil when in fact they are captive to same, as all blind men are.


And I might say if we read and MISS the other party, that such sight has already been blinded and mistakes the man for the devil.


The beast is a bit more interesting of a subject, but yes, there is a sure connection to Satan in the matters of the beast without any doubt. We know for example that the Harlot of Babylon, that woman, rides the beast. We can also see that where she sits is here:

Revelation 17:15
And he saith unto me, The waters which thou sawest, where the whore sitteth, are peoples, and multitudes, and nations, and tongues.

There, where the whore sitteth are PEOPLE.

These would be the PEOPLE who have their MINDS blinded to the Gospel by our mutual adversary, the god of this world, Satan.



These matters can get very progressively complex. It's important to establish the components to every parable. For that I point to Jesus in Mark 4 where He says to understand ALL parables, and in this I would include allegories as well, it's important to get the basic components to the account in order to establish legitmacy of any dissections.

The basic components to understanding any parable are these.

God, Satan and people.


And to that I would generally agree as well. Just like the Pharisees, the christians are also on the front lines of the battles today, SO it is likely to conclude in the fact that the headliners of INTERNAL DECEPTION will be 'in the churches.'

If we look at the preamble of Jesus in Revelation to the SEVEN CHURCHES, the WORKS AND WAYS OF SATAN are addressed therein to ALL of them.

When we are heeded to LISTEN to the Words of the Spirit we must each individual take those Words we don't like PERSONALLY. We all tend to insulate ourselves automatically from the BAD WORDS and say to ourselves, 'these don't apply to ME.'

When we do, we have already violated Jesus Commands to LISTEN:

"He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches"

When we DON'T hear the words we DON'T like and say in our hearts, 'these don't apply to me because....'

we are not hearing, but we DEFRAY those Words away from our sweet old selves.

Yes there is deception in the churches but mainly it's the bread that the pastors feed the sheeps is where the deception lies. The bread are the doctrine. For I've heard there are 5000 different doctrines from the bible but there is only one that is the straight gate. For example a lot if Christian churches believe they do not have to any righteousness they believe they can still live in sin and just praise god on Sunday and they will go to heaven. But the bible says do works worthy of repentance. And he that does my fathers will will enter into heaven. Or the Jehovah witness don't believe jesus is god. The Catholics pray to stones and wood if righteous men and women who died. Which the bible says not to do. So their is deception in the churches but still many will be saved at the time of the end because they will hear the true bread

As for the seven churches I think god is talking about his people and some doctrines which they practice like the doctrines I spoke of earlier. But it's weird cause all of the seven churches are in current day turkey but I think spiritually he is talking to the elect and telling them what the devil will do to them in the days to come and not to practice those doctrines which he hates.

As for the whore babylon the great.who sit on many waters. Babylon the great is a city that rule over the kings of the earth. Almost like the capital city of the world . What city rules like NYC? Which was once the capital of the world and where the United Nations main head quarters where all the kings report to is located?

 

[Kathi]

It's just Preterist nonsense.

The Resurrection is not past.

The Second Coming is not past.

The Great Tribulation is not past.


JLB

Yes,Scripture tells us that.

 

[smaller]

Yes there is deception in the churches but mainly it's the bread that the pastors feed the sheeps is where the deception lies. The bread are the doctrine. For I've heard there are 5000 different doctrines from the bible but there is only one that is the straight gate. For example a lot if Christian churches believe they do not have to any righteousness they believe they can still live in sin and just praise god on Sunday and they will go to heaven. But the bible says do works worthy of repentance. And he that does my fathers will will enter into heaven. Or the Jehovah witness don't believe jesus is god. The Catholics pray to stones and wood if righteous men and women who died. Which the bible says not to do. So their is deception in the churches but still many will be saved at the time of the end because they will hear the true bread

For me, after being saved for 3 plus decades now, it eventually became pointless to point to the other guys or the other churches.

Eventually I had to take a serious look at 'every Word' of God and apply it personally, to myself. What I found I did not LIKE, but I accepted the conclusions that "I MYSELF" have the same issues as ALL that you complain about above. What we see in any conglomeration of believers is basically the same things stemming from consortium's of large bodies of people who ALSO have basically the same problem. So it's pointless to point at them individually, in whole or in part, when the issues are really down to the last individual and a universal problem in whole.

In any individual quest to eradicate sin and sin hunting, we eventually are led to look at our own sin problems and there we will find the heart of all other issues.

As for the seven churches I think god is talking about his people and some doctrines which they practice like the doctrines I spoke of earlier. But it's weird cause all of the seven churches are in current day turkey but I think spiritually he is talking to the elect and telling them what the devil will do to them in the days to come and not to practice those doctrines which he hates.

Looking at the locations of the churches in Asia is an interesting study in itself, BUT, the command of Jesus to listen remains to all of us regardless of our churches or where they are located on a map. In Luke 4:4 Jesus advised Satan thusly:

"And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God."

From that point of hearing, I no longer insulate myself from ANY Word of God being personally applicable. Jesus will not point us to the 'other guys' problems or 'the other churches' problems without also pointing directly to 'our own problems' as well. Therefore I auto reject on any notion that tries to 'pin the end times tail on the donkey' with regards to the RCC or to Rome or to the Jews or to Jerusalem.

All His Words apply to MAN, the individual. All of them to each and every last one of us.

As for the whore babylon the great.who sit on many waters. Babylon the great is a city that rule over the kings of the earth. Almost like the capital city of the world . What city rules like NYC? Which was once the capital of the world and where the United Nations main head quarters where all the kings report to is located?

Again, I would suggest that the Command of God to Gods people is to 'universally' come out of her, that we are ALL IN her to come out of.

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

For me, after being saved for 3 plus decades now, it eventually became pointless to point to the other guys or the other churches.

Eventually I had to take a serious look at 'every Word' of God and apply it personally, to myself. What I found I did not LIKE, but I accepted the conclusions that "I MYSELF" have the same issues as ALL that you complain about above. What we see in any conglomeration of believers is basically the same things stemming from consortium's of large bodies of people who ALSO have basically the same problem. So it's pointless to point at them individually, in whole or in part, when the issues are really down to the last individual and a universal problem in whole.

In any individual quest to eradicate sin and sin hunting, we eventually are led to look at our own sin problems and there we will find the heart of all other issues.



Looking at the locations of the churches in Asia is an interesting study in itself, BUT, the command of Jesus to listen remains to all of us regardless of our churches or where they are located on a map. In Luke 4:4 Jesus advised Satan thusly:

"And Jesus answered him, saying, It is written, That man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word of God."

From that point of hearing, I no longer insulate myself from ANY Word of God being personally applicable. Jesus will not point us to the 'other guys' problems or 'the other churches' problems without also pointing directly to 'our own problems' as well. Therefore I auto reject on any notion that tries to 'pin the end times tail on the donkey' with regards to the RCC or to Rome or to the Jews or to Jerusalem.

All His Words apply to MAN, the individual. All of them to each and every last one of us.



Again, I would suggest that the Command of God to Gods people is to 'universally' come out of her, that we are ALL IN her to come out of.

I don't understand what u are saying really but concerning the doctrines if u accept 500 different beliefs about how god wants to be worshiped and love and all believe there pTh is the path to heaven but god him self says beware of false doctrines than u or what ever man does this added a snare to your souls and confusion is in that man.

The true bread is simple do what god says in the scripture. A lot of times god will say one thing plainly and a congregation of believers who pravtice false doctrines will do the complete opposite of wat god says and find one verse in the bible to prove that what they are doing is right. That is false doctrine . Just follow all what the scripture says and u are doing better than many

 

[Eugene]

I read in here that God has one path and believe that, but it certainly isn't according to misconceptions of our understanding. In the path we tread we grow in grace and knowledge, line upon line, precept upon precept and God receives us because of one thing, and that is that we believe upon Jesus.

Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Which doctrine condemned?

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

I read in here that God has one path and believe that, but it certainly isn't according to misconceptions of our understanding. In the path we tread we grow in grace and knowledge, line upon line, precept upon precept and God receives us because of one thing, and that is that we believe upon Jesus.

Rom 14:3 Let not him that eateth despise him that eateth not; and let not him which eateth not judge him that eateth: for God hath received him. Which doctrine condemned?

Eugene I agree with you. U are right for there are many members in Christ each having own gifts. But there are many different doctrines which Christ warned us to be wary of. I never said they was not chosen for who knows what is Christ and what is not. At the end of the world Christ will seperated his people from they who are not his people

For it does not matter what a man did . If a man dies for the sake of Christ I tell u he was a choosen vessel

 

[ezrider]

Eugene I agree with you. U are right for there are many members in Christ each having own gifts. But there are many different doctrines which Christ warned us to be wary of. I never said they was not chosen for who knows what is Christ and what is not. At the end of the world Christ will seperated his people from they who are not his people

For it does not matter what a man did . If a man dies for the sake of Christ I tell u he was a choosen vessel

Beware of that for which you speak, or you might just find that you are a choosen vessel indeed, and one fitted for destruction.

 

[Eugene]

Beware of that for which you speak, or you might just find that you are a chosen vessel indeed, and one fitted for destruction.

I've came too far with my LORD, have been delivered from all manner of things, been healed repeatedly, and delivered unto His kingdom as a son of God with love that does not fade, and I would say like Peter said in John 6:68 Then Simon Peter answered him, Lord, to whom shall we go? thou hast the words of eternal life.

2Tim 1:12 For the which cause I also suffer these things: nevertheless I am not ashamed: for I know whom I have believed, and am persuaded that he is able to keep that which I have committed unto him against that day.

Here's an old hymn that expresses my desires as to life with Jesus. I do not doubt His promises toward me.

 

[Themessengeroftruth]

Beware of that for which you speak, or you might just find that you are a choosen vessel indeed, and one fitted for destruction.

If I'm a choosen vessel fit to destruction then my pain would ease. My sorrow would be at rest my heart would not hurt anymore and I would die happily knowning I will be raised up. Since u say choosen vessel indeed.

Pray for that day friend pray for it

 

[JohnD]

Something about 666 you may not have considered...

The Bible teaches we are not to add to or take away from the commandments / word of God in all three of its major divisions:

The Law

Deuteronomy 4:2 (KJV)
2 Ye shall not add unto the word which I command you, neither shall ye diminish ought from it, that ye may keep the commandments of the LORD your God which I command you.

The Prophets

Revelation 22:18-19 (KJV)
18 For I testify unto every man that heareth the words of the prophecy of this book, If any man shall add unto these things, God shall add unto him the plagues that are written in this book:
19 And if any man shall take away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God shall take away his part out of the book of life, and out of the holy city, and from the things which are written in this book.

The Writings

Proverbs 30:5-6 (KJV)
5 Every word of God is pure: he is a shield unto them that put their trust in him.
6 Add thou not unto his words, lest he reprove thee, and thou be found a liar.

Therefore it means we will only find the solution to the prophetic puzzle 666 in the Bible.

666 is found only 4 times in all of scripture.

1 Kings 10:14 (KJV)
14 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred threescore and six talents of gold,

2 Chronicles 9:13 (KJV)
13 Now the weight of gold that came to Solomon in one year was six hundred and threescore and six talents of gold;

Ezra 2:13 (KJV)
13 The children of Adonikam, six hundred sixty and six.

Revelation 13:18 (KJV)
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

If you read Revelation 13:18 carefully it almost screams Solomon.

Here is wisdom. Solomon was the wisest man to ever live.
Counting the number (calculating it) proves to be an interesting matter when you figure the Hebrew / prophetic years between the destruction of the two Jewish Temples destroyed on the same calendar date (tisha b' av) 586 BCE and 70 CE. Using the dates recorded in scripture... comes to 665.56666666667 years.

Solomon was the first King to lead Israel into idolatry. He was the temple builder... and was not commanded to build it. David wanted to but was told an heir coming from his line would build the house of God. Which he took to mean Solomon. There is no confirmation of this in scripture other than his and Solomon's claim (recorded in scripture with no divine commentary).

Instead, the answer to 2 Samuel 7:12-13 is in fact Zechariah 6:12-13. And the temple / house of God are believers (1 Corinthians 3:16).

2 Samuel 7:12-13 (KJV)
12 And when thy days be fulfilled, and thou shalt sleep with thy fathers, I will set up thy seed after thee, which shall proceed out of thy bowels, and I will establish his kingdom.
13 He shall build an house for my name, and I will stablish the throne of his kingdom for ever.

Zechariah 6:12-13 (KJV)
12 And speak unto him, saying, Thus speaketh the LORD of hosts, saying, Behold the man whose name is The BRANCH; and he shall grow up out of his place, and he shall build the temple of the LORD:
13 Even he shall build the temple of the LORD; and he shall bear the glory, and shall sit and rule upon his throne; and he shall be a priest upon his throne: and the counsel of peace shall be between them both.

Colossians 3:16 (KJV)
16 Let the word of Christ dwell in you richly in all wisdom; teaching and admonishing one another in psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, singing with grace in your hearts to the Lord.

God condescended to deal with Israel through the temple system the same way he gave concession to the monarchical reign in Israel (1 Samuel 8)... but Israel seldom found itself in God's good graces from that time forward.

Today in Israel the religious Jews are looking for a messiah who will rebuild their venerated temple. The stage is nearly set.

Two of the four uses of 666 in scripture refer directly to Solomon. One does to a man named Adonikam (adonai qum = risen lord) which ties in with Revelation 13:3.

Revelation 13:3-5 (KJV)
3 And I saw one of his heads as it were wounded to death; and his deadly wound was healed: and all the world wondered after the beast.
4 And they worshipped the dragon which gave power unto the beast: and they worshipped the beast, saying, Who is like unto the beast? who is able to make war with him?
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.

This will be no small event.

The tribe of Adonikam had an addition by the next census (Nehemiah 7:18) apparently to remove any further focus on that clan than the meaning of the name.

Solomon is an interesting name... Peace (derived from Shalom his name is actually sholomoh or shlomoh).

Jeremiah 6:14 (KJV)
14 They have healed also the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.

Jeremiah 8:11 (KJV)
11 For they have healed the hurt of the daughter of my people slightly, saying, Peace, peace; when there is no peace.

Revelation 6:2 (KJV)
2 And I saw, and behold a white horse: and he that sat on him had a bow; and a crown was given unto him: and he went forth conquering, and to conquer.

White horse = delivery / truce (as in the white flag) and the bow without arrows is a sign of peace through which he will conquer.

Meanwhile he will persecute the Church...

Revelation 12:17 (KJV)
17 And the dragon was wroth with the woman, and went to make war with the remnant of her seed, which keep the commandments of God, and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.

Revelation 13:5-10 (KJV)
5 And there was given unto him a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies; and power was given unto him to continue forty and two months.
6 And he opened his mouth in blasphemy against God, to blaspheme his name, and his tabernacle, and them that dwell in heaven.
7 And it was given unto him to make war with the saints, and to overcome them: and power was given him over all kindreds, and tongues, and nations.
8 And all that dwell upon the earth shall worship him, whose names are not written in the book of life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world.
9 If any man have an ear, let him hear.
10 He that leadeth into captivity shall go into captivity: he that killeth with the sword must be killed with the sword. Here is the patience and the faith of the saints.

And to track down this one people who will not receive the mark of the beast,

Revelation 13:16-18 (KJV)
16 And he causeth all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand, or in their foreheads:
17 And that no man might buy or sell, save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
18 Here is wisdom. Let him that hath understanding count the number of the beast: for it is the number of a man; and his number is Six hundred threescore and six.

For 3.5 years Christians who refuse the mark of the beast will be exposed and have to hide... or be beheaded. Imagine being unable to buy or sell for food shelter clothing...

Daniel 12:12 (KJV)
12 Blessed is he that waiteth, and cometh to the thousand three hundred and five and thirty days.

 

[Willie T]

There's some pretty good stuff in that.

 

[smaller]

There was!

Temple studies themselves are pretty interesting. With the natural men of Israel we can see they had 3 temples. The roving temple in the desert. The "rich man's" temple, and the rebuilt temple, after Israel had been released from the captivity of Babylon, which was MORE GLORIOUS in the eyes of God! But no so in the eyes of the people.

That same study can be extended at length. There is a continuation of those THREE temple studies in the spiritual sense.

Jesus was also the first PERFECT MAN temple.

His people in the flesh, our body is the temple, as we are taught.

and the correlative LAST REAL TEMPLE upon delivery from wicked spiritual Babylon, The Eternal Body of Christ formed by the first two components.

I wouldn't necessarily connect the dots to make Solomon the bad guy however. Those studies are much more interesting.

Six temples in order...first the natural ones, then the spiritual ones.

 

[reba]

About 1957 for some reason Dad had a scale model of "Moses' Tabernacle" The colors/scale were correct the fabrics were not the gold was gold colored paint ETC.
There is a ton of interesting facts in its design ... Wish i could remember more of it..

 

[jasonc]

About 1957 for some reason Dad had a scale model of "Moses' Tabernacle" The colors/scale were correct the fabrics were not the gold was gold colored paint ETC.
There is a ton of interesting facts in its design ... Wish i could remember more of it..

see exodus or pm stovebolts. he will know that stuff. and keep in mind that the tabernacle and the way the tribes lined up around it is relating to something in heaven and said in the in the visions of john, and ezekiel

 

[reba]

yup The layers of 'fabrics' that made the roof... the court yard.. This is NOT the one but you get the idea