Stormcrow
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My tribe certainly didn't mourn in 70 AD.
It won't mourn now, either. The prophecy of Zechariah 12 repeated in Matthew 24 and Revelation 1 wasn't meant for your tribe.
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My tribe certainly didn't mourn in 70 AD.
Jesus was to reign on the earth that is what evidence I was speaking of. Nothing there speaks of Christ setting His feet on the mount of Olives. Nothing mentioned the onset of righteousness. Do you consider the middle ages the reign of Christ. What happened to there will be no more tears? Where is the holy city that came down out of heaven. Is this the new earth that Isaiah spoke of?
It won't mourn now, either. The prophecy of Zechariah 12 repeated in Matthew 24 and Revelation 1 wasn't meant for your tribe.
If there is to be a death of the church, misapplied literalism will be the cause of it.
How many folks were Christian 2000 years ago? and how many now. Has His kingdom grown?
Wow! Are we from a different planet?
(Matt 24:30) "Then the sign of the Son of Man will appear in heaven, and then all the tribes of the earth will mourn, and they will see the Son of Man coming on the clouds of heaven with power and great glory.
(Rev 1:7) Behold, He is coming with clouds, and every eye will see Him, even they who pierced Him. And all the tribes of the earth will mourn because of Him. Even so, Amen.
Ahh, we just alagorize it away. So, Jesus didn't really return at His return?
Well, maybe we take this stuff about being saved to literally also.
And when he is sitting on the mount of the Olives, the disciples came near to him by himself, saying, `Tell us, when shall these be? and what is the sign of thy presence [parousia], and of the full end of the age?' Matthew 24:3 (YLT)
and as the days of Noah--so shall be also the presence [parousia] of the Son of Man; for as they were, in the days before the flood, eating, and drinking, marrying, and giving in marriage, till the day Noah entered into the ark, and they did not know till the flood came and took all away; so shall be also the presence [parousia] of the Son of Man. Matthew 24:37-39 (YLT)
Christ is using the flood story to tell them that His presence [parousia] will be accompanied by destruction and judgment, just as had happened with Noah's flood.
Already happened.
...the last enemy is done away--death; for all things He did put under his feet 1 Corinthians 15:26-27 (YLT)
but now has been revealed by the appearing of our Savior Christ Jesus, who abolished death and brought life and immortality to light through the gospel, 2 Timothy 1:10 (NASB)
The gospel counts for nothing in the Futurist view, as the false teachers of this heresy await a yet-to-be-revealed salvation that exists apart from Christ and His sacrifice.
I don't know how they can call themselves "Christian" inasmuch as they deny Christ's words and the power of His blood to save and sanctify.
Men to be most pitied, indeed.
Thankfully, the God I worship is not bound by such ignorance.
Jesus was to reign on the earth that is what evidence I was speaking of. Nothing there speaks of Christ setting His feet on the mount of Olives. Nothing mentioned the onset of righteousness. Do you consider the middle ages the reign of Christ. What happened to there will be no more tears? Where is the holy city that came down out of heaven. Is this the new earth that Isaiah spoke of?
What does that have to do with what I posted?
How many folks were Christian 2000 years ago? and how many now. Has His kingdom grown?
Jesus Christ is King He reigns. How much better off is more of the world to day then yesteryear? Salvation was almost completely for the Hebrews alone .. His righteousness has gone in to nation after nation...
Psa 47:2 For the LORD most high is terrible; he is a great King over all the earth.
Where is the Holy City you ask ..Well God tells us
Heb 12:22 But ye are come unto mount Sion, and unto the city of the living God, the heavenly Jerusalem, and to an innumerable company of angels,
What power would be if we could accept His victory.... in stead we look for a coming just as the Jewish leaders did.... Something that fits our human minds... A rescue more down the lines of military...
This low view of Christ the low view of His Sacrifice is heart wrenching.
What power is there that He is not over?
First of all, "all the earth" didn't mean the same thing to them as it does to us.
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Who were the "tribes of the land???"
Israel!
In this context, earth is correct, but again, the earth to them isn't the same earth to you!from the farthest part of earth to the farthest part of heaven.
In this context, earth is correct, but again, the earth to them isn't the same earth to you!
That's your interpretation. It's not what the NT really teaches:Parousia refers to the literal, tangible reality of Jesus Christ as when He physically returns and puts an end to the kingdoms of this world so much so as they will become the kingdoms of our Lord and His Christ, that will bring about the knowledge of the glory of the Lord covering the earth as the waters cover the sea.
The sign of His presence (parousia) was the destruction of Jerusalem!So, none saw any Son of Man coming in clouds during 70 AD.
Such literalism will kill the church!If Christ had already came, where are the dead in Christ now? Went back?
He was taken up "in a cloud" which is how He said several times He would return. His being taken up "in a cloud" is a direct fulfillment of Daniel 7:13:Was He not taken up physically? Is the verse plainly speaking how He will come?
To prove the theory you hold, you are rejecting the reality of Christ's Lordship and dominion as they have existed since He ascended. Yours is the real heresy here.To prove the theory you hold, you are rejecting the truth in Scriptures.
He's not returning to this earth to establish an earthly kingdom because He already did and we who are born again are all part of it! Right this very minute!!!
And when we die, we go to be with Him in His heavenly kingdom, just as Paul said!
The sign of His presence (parousia) was the destruction of Jerusalem!
Such literalism will kill the church!
The dead in Christ are with Him and were the moment they passed from this life to the next!
(Rev 19:15) Now out of His mouth goes a sharp sword, that with it He should strike the nations. And He Himself will rule them with a rod of iron. He Himself treads the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
(Rev 11:15) Then the seventh angel sounded: And there were loud voices in heaven, saying, "The kingdoms of this world have become the kingdoms of our Lord and of His Christ, and He shall reign forever and ever!"