Minister calls for third Temple to be built

[jasoncran]

The hint the Body of Christ is plan B farouk ?

schofield seems to think this.
its one faith, one hope and one body, but ole schofield says to me and us all that it doesn't. his followers deny this and they also deny to me that once I do what the entire nation of isreal will do per their doctrine that is to repent and declare jesus is the messiah. which I have done then I cant be in the land that is promised to me? why? grace. odd. the sages teach that when the messiah returns he would restore the torah. he is to teach the torah and god will bless isreal. uhm didn't jesus teach a torah? yes he did. he gave commandments and those in Hebrew are called torah aka commands. in them he uses the mosaic torah to teach us what the jews should have done but realeased men from the unimportant parts of the diets, the shabat and the feasts. while can do these they no longer are lethal to any jew nor gentile if not adhered to.

 

[jasoncran]

if the temple is coming back so must the law and the blood removed from be able to save souls in the millennium.

 

[jasoncran]

so god removes a church and tells the church of both a gentiles and Hebrews step aside and I will use another Hebrew -gentile mix. uh NO! the temple is listed in Ezekiel 40-48 as having what? rules on what the levites are doing. if you believe that to come then tell me why you believe that the levite must or mustnot repent before he enters the holy of holies?

 

[Deborah13]

if the temple is coming back so must the law and the blood removed from be able to save souls in the millennium.

Why would that have to be? Why couldn't they treat it like any other church, a place to pray and worship?

Do you remember Tim LaHaye (the Left Behind series)? He and his friend Tom Ice, both say that Ezekiel teaches that there will be sacrifices of the animal blood for the atonement of sin, during the 1000 reign.

There are those right now in Israel that want this temple built, that are planning on doing animal blood sacrifices. That hasn't been done since 70 AD. The last time the temple was destroyed.

 

[jasoncran]

the Ezekiel temple is meant to be built. it says that clearly but the generation who was supposed to build never repented and change their hearts and put away the abomanations.

thank you [MENTION=93058]Deborah13[/MENTION], few here seem to grasp that is being pushed. I know a man who is honest and says that the law will return and says that grace will stop after the rapture.

but noah found grace in the eyes of the LORD

that is in genesis 6:8 the first and only mention of that in the tanach. hmm grace was around in the jewish eyes , they knew what was.

 

[Deborah13]

so god removes a church and tells the church of both a gentiles and Hebrews step aside and I will use another Hebrew -gentile mix. uh NO! the temple is listed in Ezekiel 40-48 as having what? rules on what the levites are doing. if you believe that to come then tell me why you believe that the levite must or mustnot repent before he enters the holy of holies?

How will they know who is of the tribe of Levi. I read an article written by a Jewish doctor/scientist, at I think maybe Harvard or Yale. His specialty is genetics/DNA. In cooperation with one of the universitys (?) in Israel, he has been studying the DNA of the Jews, Samaritans, and Palastinians living there. The Samaritans have more Jewish markers in their DNA than the Jews do. I'll try to find that article. It's been a couple months or so ago.

update - wiki says different if I'm reading it right, you probably know.

 

[jasoncran]

wait one they already know.

http://cohen-levi.org/

old news to me and I know one that a cohn, he is saved and he don't care for that role.he doesn't want anything to to with the temple and being jewish. loves Christ above all that. he says why do I want to go to the past? im free in Christ.

 

[Deborah13]

wait one they already know.

yep, I was looking but read wiki on this cohen/levi

 

[jasoncran]

wait one they already know.

yep, I was looking but read wiki on this cohen/levi

this?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Levite

Having a last name of Levi or a related term does not necessarily mean a person is a Levite, and many Levites do not have such last names. Levitical status is passed down in families from parent to child, as part of a family's genealogical tradition. Tribal status is determined by patrilineal descent, so a child whose biological father is a Levite (in cases of adoption or artificial insemination, status is determined by the genetic father), is also considered a Levite. Jewish status is determined by matrilineal descent, thus conferring levitical status onto children requires both biological parents to be Jews and the biological father to be a Levite.
Currently the only branches of Judaism which regard Jewish status as being conferable by both parents have also abolished tribal statuses and distinctions, due to a view in both cases that egalitarian principles override halakha (traditional Jewish law). Accordingly, there is currently no branch of Judaism that regards levitical status as conferable by matrilineal descent. It is either conferable patrilineally, in the traditional manner, or it does not exist and is not conferred at all.

either way if tis true or not this has shot any 144,000 theory to bits and also any other things about the levites. they really don't even care to acknowledge them as .(some of them) , the consertive movement is so liberal that I wont read their stuff, the Hassidic do care about that. they adhere to the old ways as much as possible.

 

[Deborah13]

this?

No this one, but I skipped a lot and read conclusions. Much to in depth for me.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_studies_on_Jews

 

[Deborah13]

It strikes me as an odd thing to happen knowing what I do know about the blood of Christ and what it accomplished.

Me too. I think you said you use the NIV.

Hebrews 13:20 NIV
20 Now may the God of peace, who through the blood of the eternal covenant brought back from the dead our Lord Jesus, that great Shepherd of the sheep, 21 equip you with everything good for doing his will, and may he work in us what is pleasing to him, through Jesus Christ, to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen.

Revelation 21:22
I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.

 

[reba]

so god removes a church and tells the church of both a gentiles and Hebrews step aside and I will use another Hebrew -gentile mix. uh NO! the temple is listed in Ezekiel 40-48 as having what? rules on what the levites are doing. if you believe that to come then tell me why you believe that the levite must or mustnot repent before he enters the holy of holies?

Uhh, I don't know. I'm starting to think I should have kept my fingers shut, lol. I really know very little about Jewish Law and all that. I'm just a gentile who is still learning and to read that they're going to start having sacrifices again, or that grace will go away after the rapture...are new concepts for me that I've not heard very much about at all. It strikes me as an odd thing to happen knowing what I do know about the blood of Christ and what it accomplished.

You sure you are a gentile? you are not a heathen are you?

 

[jasoncran]

so god removes a church and tells the church of both a gentiles and Hebrews step aside and I will use another Hebrew -gentile mix. uh NO! the temple is listed in Ezekiel 40-48 as having what? rules on what the levites are doing. if you believe that to come then tell me why you believe that the levite must or mustnot repent before he enters the holy of holies?

Uhh, I don't know. I'm starting to think I should have kept my fingers shut, lol. I really know very little about Jewish Law and all that. I'm just a gentile who is still learning and to read that they're going to start having sacrifices again, or that grace will go away after the rapture...are new concepts for me that I've not heard very much about at all. It strikes me as an odd thing to happen knowing what I do know about the blood of Christ and what it accomplished.

it was odd for me when reba and hitch and others presented this to me. so I had to see for myself.

 

[JLB]

so god removes a church and tells the church of both a gentiles and Hebrews step aside and I will use another Hebrew -gentile mix. uh NO! the temple is listed in Ezekiel 40-48 as having what? rules on what the levites are doing. if you believe that to come then tell me why you believe that the levite must or mustnot repent before he enters the holy of holies?

Uhh, I don't know. I'm starting to think I should have kept my fingers shut, lol. I really know very little about Jewish Law and all that. I'm just a gentile who is still learning and to read that they're going to start having sacrifices again, or that grace will go away after the rapture...are new concepts for me that I've not heard very much about at all. It strikes me as an odd thing to happen knowing what I do know about the blood of Christ and what it accomplished.

The Rapture happens after the resurrection of the dead.

15 For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. 16 For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. 17 Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.1 Thessalonians 4:15-17

The doctrine that states that the Church will be Raptured to heaven while the Jews are left here here is totally un-biblical.

Everyone will be here until Jesus Christ comes at the end of the age.


JLB

 

[reba]

Uhh...(That's what I like about you reba, you ask very good questions)...Well, I think I am. I have been understanding the term gentile to mean, basically, non-Israeli...Non-Jewish. Is that not correct? I do know one thing, I am no heathen, anymore at least due to the power and blood of the Lord Jesus.

G1484


ἔθνος




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eth'-nos


Probably from G1486; a race (as of the same habit), that is, a tribe; specifically a foreign (non-Jewish) one (usually by implication pagan): - Gentile, heathen, nation, people.
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[Deborah13]

Originally Posted by Deborah13


Revelation 21:22
I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.



Isn't this talking about the in the new heaven and new earth, not here on this earth. For on the new earth God will dwell with his people! Yess!! THAT is going to be soo wonderful! (So wonderful in fact, that we can not even comprehend how good it will be!) Praise the Lord!!

Yes, I agree, new heaven, new earth. AND Jesus is STILL described as the Lamb, the one who's blood was shed for the atonement for sin, for all mankind. I do not believe that man (any man, Jew or otherwise) will ever be instructed by God to go back to the blood of bulls and goats for atonement for sin.

Uhh...(That's what I like about you reba, you ask very good questions)...Well, I think I am. I have been understanding the term gentile to mean, basically, non-Israeli...Non-Jewish. Is that not correct? I do know one thing, I am no heathen, anymore at least due to the power and blood of the Lord Jesus.

Something along these same lines that I have been thinking about is this. All God's people before they entered the (land) were of Gentile origins. Did God determine Israel by genetics? Did He call them to be a nation as to genetics? God told His people that He wanted them to be a Peculiar People. Was there anything peculiar about their genetics? Who are the Peculiar People = set apart people? Has God changed, does He still call ALL His people to be a Peculiar People? Are you among those Peculiar People?

 

[JLB]

I wouldn't want to be caught sleeping, thinking I had more time.

A continuation of my first text from 1 Thessalonians 4 -

1 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you. 2 For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. 3 For when they say, "Peace and safety!" then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape. 4 But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. 1 Thessalonians 5:1-4

The Day of the Lord will not come as a thief in the night for the Church...


JLB

 

[Sinthesis]

Psa 51:15 - O Lord, open thou my lips; and my mouth shall shew forth thy praise.
Psa 51:16 - For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give [it]: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
Psa 51:17 - The sacrifices of God [are] a broken spirit: a broken and a contrite heart, O God, thou wilt not despise.​

Here is the conundrum for Judaism. It is only the most haughty self-righteous Jews that seek to rebuild a physical temple. Their blood sacrifices would only ever be in vain. The one thing they are unwilling to sacrifice to God is their desire for a rebuilt temple, while ironically Christians enjoy a rebuilt temple in Christ.

 

[jasoncran]

Originally Posted by Deborah13


Revelation 21:22
I did not see a temple in the city, because the Lord God Almighty and the Lamb are its temple.



Isn't this talking about the in the new heaven and new earth, not here on this earth. For on the new earth God will dwell with his people! Yess!! THAT is going to be soo wonderful! (So wonderful in fact, that we can not even comprehend how good it will be!) Praise the Lord!!

Yes, I agree, new heaven, new earth. AND Jesus is STILL described as the Lamb, the one who's blood was shed for the atonement for sin, for all mankind. I do not believe that man (any man, Jew or otherwise) will ever be instructed by God to go back to the blood of bulls and goats for atonement for sin.

Uhh...(That's what I like about you reba, you ask very good questions)...Well, I think I am. I have been understanding the term gentile to mean, basically, non-Israeli...Non-Jewish. Is that not correct? I do know one thing, I am no heathen, anymore at least due to the power and blood of the Lord Jesus.

Something along these same lines that I have been thinking about is this. All God's people before they entered the (land) were of Gentile origins. Did God determine Israel by genetics? Did He call them to be a nation as to genetics? God told His people that He wanted them to be a Peculiar People. Was there anything peculiar about their genetics? Who are the Peculiar People = set apart people? Has God changed, does He still call ALL His people to be a Peculiar People? Are you among those Peculiar People?

quiet don't tell the jews this. it was never about genes but the faith that they had to have and the covenant agreement as given by moses that made them his people or not. the torah was a means to judge them or bless them.

 

[Deborah13]

quiet don't tell the jews this. it was never about genes but the faith that they had to have and the covenant agreement as given by moses that made them his people or not. the torah was a means to judge them or bless them.

So I've been thinking about Torah and Peculiar People. God raised up a people to be an example to the rest of the world. That is how Rahab got saved. She saw that God must be with this people and decided that the God the Hebrew people served and worshipped should be the God that she should serve and worship.
So when God blessed them He used them to make the rest of the nations jealous.
God asked them to do nonsenseical things, or so it appeared, like marching around, Jericho. Peculiar People indeed.
God blessed them to be a blessing to the world. It is no different now, Christians are those who are the Peculiar People that went one step further in their belief than the Jews. They accepted Jesus as the Messiah. No Mosaic Law, no animal sacrifices necessary, just Jesus. To move the Jews to jealousy.
What do you have any thoughts about this?