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[Hitch]

Ok so like I said before I see alot in here where it says "God sends him..." no they choose not to be with because God gives us a choice to be with him or not. If we chose not we go where God is not and where the absence of God is is hell and that is the only place where God isn't. On earth we have the holy spirit so he is here for those who want him. By the time we die we have chisen do we want God? yes or no. Yes heaven . no, God doesn't force himself on us. It wouldn't be love if he forced us to love him now would it? There happy now?

LOL At your age you have an excuse.

 

[zeke]

Pick two or three points quote them and demolish Gerstner with your brilliance.

Then come back and finish him off.

But Gerstner is dead and can't defend his position on this thread and his error was “finished off” long ago. Where does that leave your thread?

 

[Hitch]

But Gerstner is dead and can't defend his position on this thread and his error was “finished off” long ago. Where does that leave your thread?

'I never loved you depart from me. ':biglol ( notice the declaration come from the Lord, 'I never loved you' ... )

7 Until I came into the sanctuary of God;
Then I perceived their end.
18 Surely You set them in slippery places;
You cast them down to destruction.
19 How they are destroyed in a moment!
They are utterly swept away by sudden terrors!


Who is the destroyer? Who sets them up to fall?


You still cant answer the questions ,,, ho hum

 

[zeke]

'I never loved you depart from me. ':biglol ( notice the declaration come from the Lord, 'I never loved you' ... )

7 Until I came into the sanctuary of God;
Then I perceived their end.
18 Surely You set them in slippery places;
You cast them down to destruction.
19 How they are destroyed in a moment!
They are utterly swept away by sudden terrors!


Who is the destroyer? Who sets them up to fall?


You still cant answer the questions ,,, ho hum

We would like to help you with this topic but, as noted Gerstner is dead and can't defend his error on this thread and you only present repetitive posts.

 

[felix]

But that which is “revealed in Scripture†does not say God hated Esau before he was born or that God condemned him to a devil’s hell before the foundation of the world as Calvinism claims. God is not a Calvinist.

(Rev 17:8) "The beast that you saw was, and is not, and will ascend out of the bottomless pit and go to perdition. And those who dwell on the earth will marvel, whose names are not written in the Book of Life from the foundation of the world, when they see the beast that was, and is not, and yet is.

 

[Hitch]

We would like to help you with this topic but, as noted Gerstner is dead and can't defend his error on this thread and you only present repetitive posts.

Well this thread has been up quite a while and you have yet to address any of Gerstner's points, no wonder you've accomplished nothing and cant even handle my questions .:waving

Who is the destroyer? Who sets them up to fall?

 

[felix]

Ok so like I said before I see alot in here where it says "God sends him..." no they choose not to be with because God gives us a choice to be with him or not. If we chose not we go where God is not and where the absence of God is is hell and that is the only place where God isn't. On earth we have the holy spirit so he is here for those who want him. By the time we die we have chisen do we want God? yes or no. Yes heaven . no, God doesn't force himself on us. It wouldn't be love if he forced us to love him now would it? There happy now?

Ha ha ha... You think absence of God is Hell? Who taught you like that? If that's the case, then He is not omnipresent and certainly, we can make the fire go down a bit and live there... probably Hitler will be ruling back as PM and Satan the president for eternity in Hell for God is not there. Sounds like you watched greek mythology too long....

Hell is the wrath of God being crushed in His hands.

(Ps 139:8) If I ascend into heaven, You [are] there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You [are there.]

 

[zeke]

Well this thread has been up quite a while and you have yet to address any of Gerstner's points, no wonder you've accomplished nothing and cant even handle my questions .:waving

Who is the destroyer? Who sets them up to fall?

Gerstner's points have been defeated long ago and he is not here to defend himself and you obviously can't defend him yourself. I have answered your questions but you didn't like the answer. I noted that the Bible doesn't say that God hated Esau before he was born or that God condemned him to a devil’s hell before the foundation of the world as Calvinism claims. You have yet to defend Calvinism on that error and I asked why you have repeatedly misquoted the Bible but you have failed to comment on that one either. It appears to even the casual reader that you may not be able to defend your own thread.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Ha ha ha... You think absence of God is Hell? Who taught you like that? If that's the case, then He is not omnipresent and certainly, we can make the fire go down a bit and live there... probably Hitler will be ruling back as PM and Satan the president for eternity in Hell for God is not there. Sounds like you watched greek mythology too long....

Hell is the wrath of God being crushed in His hands.

(Ps 139:8) If I ascend into heaven, You [are] there; If I make my bed in hell, behold, You [are there.]

"Shut out from the presence of the Lord"...or something to that effect. Look it up.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

Well this thread has been up quite a while and you have yet to address any of Gerstner's points, no wonder you've accomplished nothing and cant even handle my questions .:waving

Who is the destroyer? Who sets them up to fall?

He/she answered your question.

Why do you think justice=hatred?

Perhaps it's because that is how man understands it in his natural mind (like children do of their parents justice), and then projects that onto God thinking his justice=hatred.

 

[felix]

"Shut out from the presence of the Lord"...or something to that effect. Look it up.

!? don't understand what you are trying to say....

 

[Jethro Bodine]

!? don't understand what you are trying to say....

Those who are condemned will be shut out from the presence of the Lord.

"8 He will punish those who do not know God and do not obey the gospel of our Lord Jesus. 9 They will be punished with everlasting destruction and shut out from the presence of the Lord and from the glory of his might..." (2 Thessalonians 1:8-9 NIV)

That's what damnation is all about. It's about being separated from the God that wicked people despise so much. God's desire that they repent and live in his glory and goodness can't touch them in that place. That doesn't mean he doesn't desire that they repent and experience good (IOW, 'love' them). It means they have chosen not to enter into his love.

 

[Hitch]

Gerstner's points have been defeated long ago and he is not here to defend himself and you obviously can't defend him yourself.

Well you have yet to address any of his points, it should be an easy task considering your personal brightness, what scares you away ?

I have answered your questions but you didn't like the answer.

:toofunny What is the post number ? The last time I noticed you were still pretending you couldnt even understand the questions.:toofunny

I noted that the Bible doesn't say that God hated Esau before he was born or that God condemned him to a devil’s hell before the foundation of the world as Calvinism claims.

If you want to rant over the general aspect of Calvinism show some anatomy and start a thread, this thread is conserned with the article posted in the OP

You have yet to defend Calvinism on that error and I asked why you have repeatedly misquoted the Bible but you have failed to comment on that one either. It appears to even the casual reader that you may not be able to defend your own thread.

]Well this thread has been up quite a while and you have yet to address any of Gerstner's points, no wonder you've accomplished nothing and cant even handle my questions .:waving

Who is the destroyer? Who sets them up to fall?

 

[Hitch]

He/she answered your question.

What is the post number ?

Why do you think justice=hatred?

OK So quote me posting that or everyone who doesnt already will know you are a liar. Good luck.

Perhaps it's because that is how man understands it in his natural mind (like children do of their parents justice), and then projects that onto God thinking his justice=hatred.

see above

?

 

[zeke]

What is the post number ? The last time I noticed you were still pretending you couldnt even understand the questions...

I have previously noted that Psalm 73 refers to the justice of God. I then asked you what you thought your point might be and how (exactly) it relates to the topic at hand. After that you ran away and refused to answer my inquiry and pretended I didn’t answer the question.

Maybe you can now expand/expound your thinking process on where you are going with this passage. Be careful and good luck.

 

[Hitch]

I have previously noted that Psalm 73 refers to the justice of God. I then asked you what you thought your point might be and how (exactly) it relates to the topic at hand. After that you ran away and refused to answer my inquiry and pretended I didn’t answer the question.

Maybe you can now expand/expound your thinking process on where you are going with this passage. Be careful and good luck.

So you still havent answered the questions. And your insitence to the contrary is proven false. You cant answer :toofunny


Who is the destroyer? Who sets them up to fall?

 

[zeke]

So you still havent answered the questions. And your insitence to the contrary is proven false. You cant answer :toofunny


Who is the destroyer? Who sets them up to fall?

But I just answered and you continue to run. Why? In you mind - "who is the destroyer? Who sets them up to fall?"

Please expand/expound your 'thinking process' on what you thought you might be thinking and where you are struggling to go with this passage. Defend your thread my friend.

 

[Jethro Bodine]

When one understands how we are to love our family members, yet hate them, as God commands, they can then see how God does indeed love the sinner yet hates the sin.

It's amazing how Theologians can confuse such simple spiritual truths. To suggest that justice is equivalent to hatred, as we understand hatred, is really a very spiritually short sided conclusion to come to. The scriptures themselves help us understand that to judge sin is not to hate the sinner (as we understand hate).

 

[Hitch]

But I just answered and you continue to run. Why? In you mind - "who is the destroyer? Who sets them up to fall?"

Please expand/expound your 'thinking process' on what you thought you might be thinking and where you are struggling to go with this passage. Defend your thread my friend.

LOL do you lack any ability to be truthful?

So you still havent answered the questions. And your insitence to the contrary is proven false. You cant answer :toofunny


Who is the destroyer? Who sets them up to fall?

Dont be afraid

 

[stovebolts]

Rom 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;
Rom 3:24 Being justified freely by his grace through the redemption that is in Christ Jesus:
Rom 3:25 Whom God hath set forth to be a propitiation through faith in his blood, to declare his righteousness for the remission of sins that are past, through the forbearance of God;


I recall a story of Moses talking with God and God changing His mind? We have scriptures of God talking about repenting.


Will/do folks go to hell?
Do some folks not repent?

Joh 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
By who's and what standard are folks condemned?

Hi Reba,
Been busy, hope to engage in this conversation when things slow down a bit. I'll try to answer your questions.

1. I recall a story of Moses talking with God and God changing His mind?
Yup. Exodus 32:9

2. We have scriptures of God talking about repenting.
And again. Exodus 32:14

3. Will/do folks go to hell?
Silly question, but yes. If I could extend that thought, there are some who are living hell one earth. That hell is simply extended to the world to come.

4. Do some folks not repent?
Yes, even a few that are covered by the blood of Jesus. But within context of this OP, I believe you are making the point in regard to an unbeliever. Is that right?

5. By who's and what standard are folks condemned?

I would say that it's more than just believing. Remember, even the daemons believe, yet they will have no part in heaven (James 2:19) I'd say it's more about relationship and obedience (John 14:15)