GodsGrace
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I agree. "You shall know the truth and the truth shall make you free" John 8:32 NASB.God foreknew that His creation wants to know what is outside the will of God. Now we know. Sin is working death in our bodies and working in driving us further & further from God where death will bring about its culmination of being separated from all that is good, just, holy, and God; hell.
But He also foreknew that some will love Him and want to be saved by Him. These be the ones that do truth which is why God would reveal His Son to them so that they may believe as our believing is a work of God.
So you believe Jesus died for just a few. What do you make of these scriptures:
1 Timothy 2:6
Hebrews 2:9
John 3:16
1 John 2:2
Where exactly do you read that Jesus came only for some? Please provide the proper scripture because so far you have not done this.
John 3:19 And this is the condemnation, that light is come into the world, and men loved darkness rather than light, because their deeds were evil. 20 For every one that doeth evil hateth the light, neither cometh to the light, lest his deeds should be reproved. 21 But he that doeth truth cometh to the light, that his deeds may be made manifest, that they are wrought in God.
So this explanation above is for why they did not believe even in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Some men do not believe because they love the darkness. This is true and you're right about this.
But, as I posted previously, Jesus Himself explained why some would not believe and I do trust Him to know why. I post again Mathew 13:3-8 and Mathew 13:18-23
Yes. I do believe Jesus is the expert on knowing why one will not believe.
Once again, I thank you for making my point.John 3:18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Of course! I was asking if God did not WANT TO MAKE THAT PERSON BE SAVED. Which is YOUR point.Nope. We can not make that judgment, because some sinners may believe later on in life, and they have too. It's just that at that moment, they are not seeking Him at all.
One can become a believer at any point in one's life.
I asked you if God desires that ALL be saved. And you answer No. Please refer back to my first reply regarding the fact that Jesus died for ALL. You continue to skirt around John 3:16 but never go just one or two verses up to John 3:16. Why is that? It says for WHOEVER believes. NOT for those few who will believe. How much does scripture have to be twisted not to see this?The desire is true for those He foreknew that would want to believe in His Son to be saved.
Mathew 11:15 "He who has ears to hear, let him hear." NASB
God knows what He's doing. I'm not here to second guess Him.I am sure the reason was that God knew at that time, that sinners in Macedonia were seeking Him then.
A lot of believers are misapplying verses to imply that OSAS is correct.I witness the coming great tribulation and the pre trib rapture that comes before it. We are in everyday tribulation now.
The only reason I mention it is because a lot of believers are misapplying verses to imply that OSAS is false.
As far as the trib: I like to live every day as if Jesus was coming back that day.
Some churches like to tell me that if I don't do everything just right I'll end up in hell.
Some churches like to tell me that I better behave because at least I'll miss the tribulation.
Jesus hung on that cross for me. That's enough for me.
Wondering
Oops. This got left out:
John 3:18 says we, as sinners, were already condemned as Jesus is not sent to condemn the world, but that we might be saved through Him.
God foreknew that some will hate Him and do wrong to their own soul and love death as a result;
Proverbs 8:36 But he that sinneth against me wrongeth his own soul: all they that hate me love death.]/QUOTE]
I agree. I wouldn't say some love death - I'd say they don't understand the danger they're in or don't see it.
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