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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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Depending upon the Holy Spirit for all you do?
Read through the following study by Tenchi for more on this topic
https://christianforums.net/threads/without-the-holy-spirit-we-can-do-nothing.109419/
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How are famous preachers sometimes effected by sin?
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https://christianforums.net/threads/anointed-preaching-teaching.109331/#post-1912042
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scorpia
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may we know what made you laugh?jgredline said:
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scorpia
Guest
what sarcasm particularly?jgredline said::-D Thats what I thought, but usually that kind of sarcasm comes from me.
I have been to pentecostal meetings where people are encouraged, and have had hands laid on them, to speak in tongues. When the tongue doesn't arrive I have seen people 'helped' to start speaking in tongues by being told to repeat a phrase that sounds like 'shundee bundee'. Guess what? They do start speaking in tongues - but it is definitely not of God!
jgredline
Member
mutzrein said:
LOL
I was at a meeting once and the preacher was ''teaching'' how to speak in tongues. He explained that the phrase is similar to ''hit my knee'' and proceeded to explain that you need to repeat it as quickly as you can and then the Holy Ghost will take over and you will be speaking in tongues :-D
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Imagican
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1 Corinthians 11:3
3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
With this in mind, WHAT IS the relationship between Christ and God?
A man leaves his family and becomes ONE with his wife. Are now the husband and wife 'the same'? We accept Christ into our hearts and become ONE with Christ. Does that make us and Christ 'the same'? God has a Son, Jesus Christ, and they are 'as One'. Are they 'the same'?
Above we have a PERFECT example of the relationship between Father and Son. The Father IS GOD. The Son IS The Son. Is the Son God Himself? According to the scripture offered above, NO. God is THE HEAD of Christ as Christ IS the Head of man, as man IS the head of woman.
Any questions?
MEC
3But I would have you know, that the head of every man is Christ; and the head of the woman is the man; and the head of Christ is God.
With this in mind, WHAT IS the relationship between Christ and God?
A man leaves his family and becomes ONE with his wife. Are now the husband and wife 'the same'? We accept Christ into our hearts and become ONE with Christ. Does that make us and Christ 'the same'? God has a Son, Jesus Christ, and they are 'as One'. Are they 'the same'?
Above we have a PERFECT example of the relationship between Father and Son. The Father IS GOD. The Son IS The Son. Is the Son God Himself? According to the scripture offered above, NO. God is THE HEAD of Christ as Christ IS the Head of man, as man IS the head of woman.
Any questions?
MEC
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unred typo
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Mutz, I told you it was Tagalog, when she first posted her messages. It is a real language. What scorpia posts, for the most part, is true and I agree. The problem I see is that she insists that God can lie, and if that’s true, how could anyone trust what he says or she repeats? Maybe she means something else but the English is a second language for her and the translation is confusing.
I don’t know why you are ridiculing her when she is mostly just telling us to go directly to God for help with reading and studying our Bibles. Isn’t that what you do when you pray? I may question some of what she says but I’m not going to speak any blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. There are plenty of fakes, and not all of them are wearing their designated labels, so caution is advised, but I would suggest you get your facts straight before you make assumptions. Take that from someone who has learned the hard way.
Check your hats at the door, please. :bday: :bday: :wink:
I don’t know why you are ridiculing her when she is mostly just telling us to go directly to God for help with reading and studying our Bibles. Isn’t that what you do when you pray? I may question some of what she says but I’m not going to speak any blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. There are plenty of fakes, and not all of them are wearing their designated labels, so caution is advised, but I would suggest you get your facts straight before you make assumptions. Take that from someone who has learned the hard way.
Check your hats at the door, please. :bday: :bday: :wink:
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scorpia
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Don't forget that one of the methods use by God in giving us His trials is by the use of "lie" because God said to us that if what He said to us did not happen at all, we may have blamed Him and turned away from Him thereby losing our salvation as a result of our turning away from God - we failed to pass the trial of the Lord.unred typo said:
That's why I did post the original text of the message of the Lord so that if there are Filipinos around, you may consult anyone of them for them to help you understand what is being conveyed in the text. I do aplogize for the direct and word for word literal translation because I want them to not distort the original text construction.
ACtually, this one is more than enough for me to say to you guys and this will help should you just take heed and come to God because God will reveal Himself to you without you coming to me nor with me seeing you personally for I am nothing but God is the greatest Being that will give us salvation and eternal life. I thank God that you do understand what I am after for with you guys and may God help all of you in realizing this undertaking of mine.
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EXactly and you should do this all the times of your life instead, not only in praying. God is real and alive and is always ready to respond to anyone who will seek Him as God says iin His one of the messages He has given us:
“ANG SINO MANG HUMANAP SA
“WHOSOEVER SOUGHT IN
AKIN, TUMAWAG LANG AT
ME, JUST CALL AND
AKING KIKILANLINâ€Â
I WILL ACKNOWLEDGE¢â‚¬Â
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scorpia
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Just asking, if the Father is God, is the Son not God? if not, then what is the Son? Jesus said the "I and the Father are ONe" then nothing more of an explanation about how are they One comes next in the scriptures.Imagican said:
unred typo said:
Unred - I don't have any problem with Scorpia's use of another language as such but the post preceding mine contained much 'foreign' sounding and looking language with no english equivalent or interpretation. It was as much gobbledy gook as mine. I see now that it has been deleted. :wink:
jgredline
Member
Mec and Mutz
I am still waiting for you guys to convert me to the Jesus is not God theology side. :-D
Really after all the truths you guys have been presented with and how you can still Deny Jesus deity is beyond me. :o
John 14:9
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? (MEC AND MUTZ)He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Daniel 3:26
26 Then Nebuchadnezzar went near the mouth of the burning fiery furnace and spoke, saying, “Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, servants of the Most High God, come out, and come here.†Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego came from the midst of the fire.
Even Nebuchadnezzar recognizes that the Angel of the Lord in the fire was God IN carnite Jesus Christ and Praises God
Matt 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Here are appearances of God in the flesh. Who is this?
to Adam: Ge 3:8–21 ♦ to Hagar: Ge 16:13 ♦ to Abraham: Ge 17:1; 18:1–33; Ac 7:2 ♦ to Jacob: Ge 32:30; 35:7, 9 ♦ to Moses: Ex 3:2; 19:16–24; 24:10; 33:18–23; Mk 12:26; Ac 7:30 ♦ to the nobles of Israel: Ex 24:9–11 ♦ to Joshua with Moses: De 31:14–15 ♦ to Gideon: Jdg 6:11–24 ♦ to Solomon: 1 Ki 3:5; 9:1–9; 11:9 ♦ to Isaiah: Is 6:1–5 ♦ to Ezekiel: Eze 1:26–28 ♦ through Christ: Jn 1:18; 14:9; Heb 1:3
I am still waiting for you guys to convert me to the Jesus is not God theology side. :-D
Really after all the truths you guys have been presented with and how you can still Deny Jesus deity is beyond me. :o
John 14:9
9 Jesus said to him, “Have I been with you so long, and yet you have not known Me, Philip? (MEC AND MUTZ)He who has seen Me has seen the Father; so how can you say, ‘Show us the Father’?
Daniel 3:26
26 Then Nebuchadnezzar went near the mouth of the burning fiery furnace and spoke, saying, “Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego, servants of the Most High God, come out, and come here.†Then Shadrach, Meshach, and Abed-Nego came from the midst of the fire.
Even Nebuchadnezzar recognizes that the Angel of the Lord in the fire was God IN carnite Jesus Christ and Praises God
Matt 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Here are appearances of God in the flesh. Who is this?
to Adam: Ge 3:8–21 ♦ to Hagar: Ge 16:13 ♦ to Abraham: Ge 17:1; 18:1–33; Ac 7:2 ♦ to Jacob: Ge 32:30; 35:7, 9 ♦ to Moses: Ex 3:2; 19:16–24; 24:10; 33:18–23; Mk 12:26; Ac 7:30 ♦ to the nobles of Israel: Ex 24:9–11 ♦ to Joshua with Moses: De 31:14–15 ♦ to Gideon: Jdg 6:11–24 ♦ to Solomon: 1 Ki 3:5; 9:1–9; 11:9 ♦ to Isaiah: Is 6:1–5 ♦ to Ezekiel: Eze 1:26–28 ♦ through Christ: Jn 1:18; 14:9; Heb 1:3
JG – there is one thing that separates Mec & myself from many who say that Jesus is not God. And it is the same thing that separates many who say that Jesus IS God. Irrespective of what you or I believe regarding Jesus relationship to God his father, there are folks on both sides of this divide. And what is the divide?
It is being born of the spirit of God. You see, acknowledging a ‘right’ understanding (whatever you perceive it to be) of Jesus relationship to God his father, is NOT a pre-requisite to being born again. Oh, I hear the howls of protest by many who say it is not possible to be a Christian without acknowledging that Jesus is God. Do you know there are some who will not even listen, discuss, debate or reason together on this issue for fear that if they cannot answer those supposed inconsistencies of scripture their faith will be brought into question and they could lose their salvation.
Now JG, what would you say is the criteria for salvation? Is it ‘belief’ in a doctrine promulgated by denominations? Or is it faith in Christ, the only begotten son of God.
Now you have listed a few verses above – supposedly to challenge us on our belief regarding Jesus but you know, I think we have been through all of this before. So whether we adequately explain to you our understanding of the scriptures or not – or whether you convert from one side of the theological fence to the other or not, is futile at the end of the day. I know that I am made righteous by faith in Christ. And I know that I am born of the Spirit of God without ‘human decision’ even in what you believe is the ‘truth’ regarding Jesus deity.
And if your faith is in Christ and if you are born of the Spirit of God while believing in Jesus deity then I will not persuade you against your will. For the important thing then is that you remain in faith and walk according to the spirit of God that dwells in you.
Now you quoted a verse in Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Now I’m REALLY hoping that you are not attempting to use this scripture as an accusation against us, inferring that we deny Jesus Christ our Lord before men. If so, I would be very careful not to fall into the trap of accusing another who by faith in Christ is made righteous. You see the accusation would not be against me, but against the one who is my righteousness. And this would not be becoming of you would it.
It is being born of the spirit of God. You see, acknowledging a ‘right’ understanding (whatever you perceive it to be) of Jesus relationship to God his father, is NOT a pre-requisite to being born again. Oh, I hear the howls of protest by many who say it is not possible to be a Christian without acknowledging that Jesus is God. Do you know there are some who will not even listen, discuss, debate or reason together on this issue for fear that if they cannot answer those supposed inconsistencies of scripture their faith will be brought into question and they could lose their salvation.
Now JG, what would you say is the criteria for salvation? Is it ‘belief’ in a doctrine promulgated by denominations? Or is it faith in Christ, the only begotten son of God.
Now you have listed a few verses above – supposedly to challenge us on our belief regarding Jesus but you know, I think we have been through all of this before. So whether we adequately explain to you our understanding of the scriptures or not – or whether you convert from one side of the theological fence to the other or not, is futile at the end of the day. I know that I am made righteous by faith in Christ. And I know that I am born of the Spirit of God without ‘human decision’ even in what you believe is the ‘truth’ regarding Jesus deity.
And if your faith is in Christ and if you are born of the Spirit of God while believing in Jesus deity then I will not persuade you against your will. For the important thing then is that you remain in faith and walk according to the spirit of God that dwells in you.
Now you quoted a verse in Matthew 10:33 But whosoever shall deny me before men, him will I also deny before my Father which is in heaven.
Now I’m REALLY hoping that you are not attempting to use this scripture as an accusation against us, inferring that we deny Jesus Christ our Lord before men. If so, I would be very careful not to fall into the trap of accusing another who by faith in Christ is made righteous. You see the accusation would not be against me, but against the one who is my righteousness. And this would not be becoming of you would it.
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Imagican
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Mutz,
Very well put, my friend.
J,
I would add that when one tries to 'turn Christ INTO God' that these are the one's that deny that Christ IS The Son of God. You have NOT ONCE witnessed me denying that Jesus Christ IS The Son of God and Our Savior. I KNOW that Christ has come in the flesh. So the scriptures that have been offered in this respect are of NO relevance to those that accept Christ AS The Son of God.
And j, there is NO way that 'I' can do ANYTHING to 'convert' ANYONE. That is between them and God. But I CAN offer this; when one becomes SO convinced, THAT is when they will deny any other possibility. Just be sure that when you become so convinced that what you accept IS the TRUTH. For it would be an utter shame to have no defense other than, 'that's what they told me'.
MEC
Very well put, my friend.
J,
I would add that when one tries to 'turn Christ INTO God' that these are the one's that deny that Christ IS The Son of God. You have NOT ONCE witnessed me denying that Jesus Christ IS The Son of God and Our Savior. I KNOW that Christ has come in the flesh. So the scriptures that have been offered in this respect are of NO relevance to those that accept Christ AS The Son of God.
And j, there is NO way that 'I' can do ANYTHING to 'convert' ANYONE. That is between them and God. But I CAN offer this; when one becomes SO convinced, THAT is when they will deny any other possibility. Just be sure that when you become so convinced that what you accept IS the TRUTH. For it would be an utter shame to have no defense other than, 'that's what they told me'.
MEC
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unred typo
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Mutzrein wrote: Unred - I don't have any problem with Scorpia's use of another language as such but the post preceding mine contained much 'foreign' sounding and looking language with no english equivalent or interpretation. It was as much gobbledy gook as mine. I see now that it has been deleted. :wink:
I didn’t see it without the English written under the Tagalog. When I first saw it, it was translated beneath the words, and then when I went back to reread it, it had been deleted. Now it is back with the translation. Back over a week or so ago, she posted something in just the Tagalog and I wrote her that I didn’t speak it and could she interpret. I thought this was that interpretation she had promised to do for us.
I noticed that she believes that God has made allowances for people to believe differently about what his nature is, according to their understanding. I think this is evident in the parable where an enemy has sown tares in the wheat and they are allowed to grow together. I have a feeling the children of the wicked one are the offspring of Satan just as the word of God was made flesh, so were the lies of the devil, so to speak, in that he uses people to spread his lies. Those promoting his doctrines will suffer loss, judged by their works, not their doctrine and if saved, be saved so as by fire, with no reward. Just something milling around in my head. Take it for what it’s worth.
I didn’t see it without the English written under the Tagalog. When I first saw it, it was translated beneath the words, and then when I went back to reread it, it had been deleted. Now it is back with the translation. Back over a week or so ago, she posted something in just the Tagalog and I wrote her that I didn’t speak it and could she interpret. I thought this was that interpretation she had promised to do for us.
I noticed that she believes that God has made allowances for people to believe differently about what his nature is, according to their understanding. I think this is evident in the parable where an enemy has sown tares in the wheat and they are allowed to grow together. I have a feeling the children of the wicked one are the offspring of Satan just as the word of God was made flesh, so were the lies of the devil, so to speak, in that he uses people to spread his lies. Those promoting his doctrines will suffer loss, judged by their works, not their doctrine and if saved, be saved so as by fire, with no reward. Just something milling around in my head. Take it for what it’s worth.
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scorpia
Guest
Indeed it was unred but the sad fact is that I am not yet through with it. Actually, what I have posted is just half of what has been given to us during that day and as you can see, others are without translation. I just posted it that way hoping for some Filipinos to see it and help you guys in the proper translation of same. You are right that the translation (in red ink) is directly under the statement in black.unred typo said: