Only ONE TRUE GOD.

[Oscar3]

Mec
do u consider yourself as one of the elect?

 

[Rick W]

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;


Surely we can deduce by these five verses that Christ existed at least before all things were created. I just don't see any way around that.
Therefore to place Christ's creation after Genesis 1:1 is impossible.
That leaves His creation only possible before the bible even begins. God's creation would begin with the first thing He created. And if Christ was made before anything else that would mean His creation began with Christ.

Thing is, there's no scripture describing the creation of the most supreme of creatures. The bible, God's testimony, is all about Christ yet God chooses not to even mention anything about His most important creation ever?

 

[Solo]

John 1:3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.

John 1:10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.

Colossians 1:16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:

1 Corinthians 8:6 But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by him.

Hebrews 1:2 Hath in these last days spoken unto us by his Son, whom he hath appointed heir of all things, by whom also he made the worlds;


Surely we can deduce by these five verses that Christ existed at least before all things were created. I just don't see any way around that.
Therefore to place Christ's creation after Genesis 1:1 is impossible.
That leaves His creation only possible before the bible even begins. God's creation would begin with the first thing He created. And if Christ was made before anything else that would mean His creation began with Christ.

Thing is, there's no scripture describing the creation of the most supreme of creatures. The bible, God's testimony, is all about Christ yet God chooses not to even mention anything about His most important creation ever?

Do not forget verse 17 of Colossians 1..... :D

16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him: 17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist. Colossians 1:16-17

 

[Rick W]

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Missed that one. :


Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Colossians 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;
Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Colossians 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblamable and unreprovable in his sight:

AMEN!!!!!

Sorry, got carried away a bit. :

Heck,
one more time...

AMEN!!!!!!

:wink:

 

[Solo]

17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Missed that one. :


Colossians 1:18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
Colossians 1:19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fullness dwell;
Colossians 1:20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
Colossians 1:21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
Colossians 1:22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblamable and unreprovable in his sight:

AMEN!!!!!

Sorry, got carried away a bit. :

Heck,
one more time...

AMEN!!!!!!

:wink:

AMEN Potluck! :wink:

 

[mutzrein]

MEC - I often agree with much of what you say but I'm going to refrain from the back scratching 'AMENS' long enough to ask you a question. You say you don't know if Jesus was created and of course I recognise this as a very honest response.
When you speak of being created, in what sense are you thinking?

 

[Rick W]

I'm going to refrain from the back scratching 'AMENS'

Mutz,
Something about those verses made me feel like shouting AMEN to the entire world. So I posted them and said what was in my heart. Those verses have little to do with the topic at hand (Colossians 1:18-22). I'm very sorry you took offense to my solemn ackowledgement of the Word of God, for what Christ had done for us. I genuinely felt like shouting when I read further than the verses I posted that pertain to the topic, no put on, no back scratching. I do that in real life too when the spirit takes me. I'm sorry you took my enthusiasm the wrong way. But be forewarned you may catch me doing it again. In fact, I'll bet on it.

Peace

 

[Solo]

Mutz,
Something about those verses made me feel like shouting AMEN to the entire world. So I posted them and said what was in my heart. Those verses have little to do with the topic at hand (Colossians 1:18-22). I'm very sorry you took offense to my solemn ackowledgement of the Word of God, for what Christ had done for us. I genuinely felt like shouting when I read further than the verses I posted that pertain to the topic, no put on, no back scratching. I do that in real life too when the spirit takes me. I'm sorry you took my enthusiasm the wrong way. But be forewarned you may catch me doing it again. In fact, I'll bet on it.

Mutz hasn't much to Amen about, Potluck. His kind normally don't.

 

[mutzrein]

Hi Potluck

No offense intended and no offense taken. I'm sorry if you felt my comment was directed at you.

It was intended for MEC and being the good natured fellow that he is, we often give and get the occasional jibe in the spirit of goodwill without any offense. That's one of the things I love about the guy. It's just that on this ocassion I cannot say 'AMEN' to what he has said until I understand more precisely his thoughts concerning 'creation'.

Thanks for posting though. I appreciate the fact that you do have enthusiasm for scripture. I can say AMEN to that too! :wink:

 

[Rick W]

Ok Mutz. It seems I took things the wrong way again.
:

 

[mutzrein]

Mutz hasn't much to Amen about, Potluck. His kind normally don't.

Can't ya feel the love? - AMEN!! :P

 

[mutzrein]

Ephesians 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.

Brothers and sisters . . . can I get an AMEN!!?

 

[mutzrein]

Revelation 1:5-6 To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Fatherâ€â€to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

And the people said?

 

[unred typo]

Revelation 1:5-6 To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Fatherâ€â€to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

Ephesians 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.



Amen and Amen!
:-D :-D :-D

 

[scorpia]

No, this is not the same as being born again.
There is only one way that any man can come to God and that is through Christ. And there is only one way that any man can come to Christ and that is if God draws him. So if any one seeks after God with all his heart (and finds Him) then he is already a child of God. He is already born of God. The relationship is established BEFORE a man can seek God with all his heart.

Man must come first with Christ and Christ who is none other but the Father God draws him nigh to God or Jesus or Himself. It is us who must seek and come first to Jesus Christ, the Almighty God and the One True God of all ages, and there and only then that God will come in to our life and draw us nigh to Christ. I am speaking to you via what we are experiencing with God right now.

Mutz: There is a parable in scripture regarding the wheat and the tares. Are you not familiar with it?

Oh I am but I wanted to be sure of that you’re just coming from the bible in this part.

No, that is what I deduced from the words you used.

Then what you have deduced is absolutely far from what I mean by those words that I used. I’m sure I do not mean there that those who do not experience God as in the days of the old are not God’s child.

Yes I am explaining it to you. And your reckoning that salvation is attained through man’s initiative to seek God, is false. And therefore, if this is a teaching that you say you have received from God, I say you have been deceived. I state this unequivocally because salvation has always been, and always will be, of God. He has initiated it from the beginning.
When we are born of our natural parents there is no decision that we can make enabling us to become their child. And so it is with God. Being born of God has nothing to do with any decision that man can make.

I do not know how you were able to know that “Being born of God has nothing to do with any decision that man can makeâ€Â, did God actually say this to you? Don’t you know that seeking and coming to Jesus tantamount to seeking and coming to God, too?

 

[mutzrein]

Scorpia.

This is what I deduced from your words: God is still talking to people as in the days of old regardless of tongue, race, etc.

This is what I added: However, what we need to be careful about is saying that unless you have a personal visitation of God, in the manner that some in the days of old did, you are not God’s child. This is plainly not the case.

 

[mutzrein]

I do not know how you were able to know that “Being born of God has nothing to do with any decision that man can makeâ€Â, did God actually say this to you? Don’t you know that seeking and coming to Jesus tantamount to seeking and coming to God, too?

Of course I know you won't accept what I have said here because it is contained in scripture. You see, you cannot accept that the spirit of God that dwells within me is the same spirit that inspired men and women to write what we now know as scripture. It is the spirit of God within me and others who are born of the same spirit that confirms that what the scripture says is true.

And yes, coming to Jesus is tantamount to coming to God but not for the reason you are suggesting. No one can come unto God, except through Christ. And no-one can come unto Christ unless God draws them.

 

[mutzrein]

Revelation 1:5-6 To him who loves us and has freed us from our sins by his blood, and has made us to be a kingdom and priests to serve his God and Fatherâ€â€to him be glory and power for ever and ever! Amen.

Ephesians 1:3 Praise be to the God and Father of our Lord Jesus Christ, who has blessed us in the heavenly realms with every spiritual blessing in Christ.



Amen and Amen!
:-D :-D :-D

Hallelujah!! :D

 

[stranger]

"Imagican"

And I still offer that for God to 'die on a cross without sin' would accomplish NOTHING.

While there is mystery in the death of Christ '2 Cor 5:21' gives a unique perspective on what His death did accomplish:

'He made Him who knew no sin [to be] sin on our behalf, so that we might become the righteousness of God in Him.' NASB

I still await someone that is able to offer the difference between 'begotten' and 'created'. For I am begotten of my earthly father and mother. NOT their ONLY, but certainly ONE OF their begotten children. We also have scripture that states that Abrahams children WERE BEGOTTEN of HIM. Yet those that insist that Christ IS God choose to ignore the description offered pertaining to EVERY OTHER begotten and instead, insert some 'different' meaning into God's offering, (and Christ's), that Christ WAS begotten OF The Father.

If you say 'Christ was begotten' your statement is in agreement with scripture. . as per John 1:14.

If you say 'Christ was created' - you find it nowhere in scripture (Potluck made this point) - better to say that Adam was created. Also Romans 1:25 makes the point that to worship a 'creature' is idolatry. A creature is created.

I believe 'begotten' preserves the creature / Creator distinction.
Yes I agree - that you are 'begotten' by your earthly father but I would not say you are 'created' by him. Again I would say that God created Adam and that He did not beget Adam.

In Christ: Stranger

 

[Oscar3]

Hi Potluck

No offense intended and no offense taken. I'm sorry if you felt my comment was directed at you.

It was intended for MEC and being the good natured fellow that he is, we often give and get the occasional jibe in the spirit of goodwill without any offense. That's one of the things I love about the guy. It's just that on this ocassion I cannot say 'AMEN' to what he has said until I understand more precisely his thoughts concerning 'creation'.

Thanks for posting though. I appreciate the fact that you do have enthusiasm for scripture. I can say AMEN to that too! :wink:

I thought I saw a thread on birds of a feather