Only ONE TRUE GOD.

[scorpia]

Now Scorpia
How is it that you go from looking at yourself in the singular and as you move through your mini biography you move into the plural?

It is simply speaking about myself being a Catholic and being a born again believer for a span of period of 48 years, afterwards, I am speaking in behalf of my brethren in the family of God beginning July 2001 to date, meaning I am not the only one who has been experiencing the life with the Lord for almost 5 years and a half now.

If people will also ask the Lord directly as you did to me, the Lord, too, will answer back to them and no one will be led astray by his fellow men.

[quote:6cc01]You go from the first person personal pronoun ''I'' and then to the plural words ''WE'', or ''OUR'' 'RECEIVING' that are all words used to describe
more than one....The fact that you said ''It is from the Lord Jesus Christ that we learned that the bible is not infallible and that it contains many errrors. '' is telling me that the we in you are demons.

I was glad that in your first salvo, you were asking me why but now you're simply concluding by yourself which to me clearly shows what and how a typical bible believer usually does in understanding the bible. Did you ever see any word "DEMON" in my post? However, the answer in this part is in the answer with respect to your opening salvo.

From going back and reading some of what you have written in the past, this makes sense to me. The fact that you believe Jesus is God, adds no credability to your post, because as the Bible teaches. Even the demons believe......

What you are telling me is "as the bible teaches', how does the bible teach you? Is the bible the Lord God in the first place? On the other hand, what I'm telling you and the brethren is all about God and how can we come to know God. God is the Master and Lord of the bible hence God is much over than the bible. You are banking on material thing and what is only written while I am just telling all to call on, come to, go back to, and talk to directly with the Lord God so that we may find our salvation and eternal life before we die.

Now if you would like help, I will do my best to get you hooked up with some missionaries in the phipinnes. You need to ask and make that first move as an act of faith...What say you?

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What say I, uhhh, why not get hooked any one, not only me and even you, to God himself, why to missionaries, they are just men and not God? Men of God see to it that people get nigh with God himself and not with any of his fellow men especially in knowing God. Men of God get things of God from God and not only from the scriptures because God is alive and real.

However, you may do as you please and they (missionaries and even you you yourself) are always welcome in our house any time of the day. I'll be more than glad should you do that.

 

[scorpia]

No disrespect but I asked a simple question that has gone unanswered. I'm really not up to playing post tag. You made some outlandish claims now it's up to you to back them up. I'm also not inclined to accept textual criticism of scripture, so personal, private revelation of Scripture that completely changes God's word does not hold water. No Greek supports your interpretation.

I do respect your view then. What I did post are some of the direct revelations, not interpretations as you said, that we received from the Lord Jesus Christ just as how Paul did receive revelations, too, from the Lord. That's my answer to your question. If you want proof, the Lord said to us to tell those who need proof/s to simply learn to call on and come to the Lord, the Almighty God of all ages, with all their heart and with all their soul and put all their trust in the Lord - God will be the one to give them the proof/s should they do it right.

You have nothing to accept from me and all that you have to do is to come to the Lord God himself and have God as you Good Pastor and Teacher in your whole life.

 

[unred typo]

You go from the first person personal pronoun ''I'' and then to the plural words ''WE'', or ''OUR'' 'RECEIVING' that are all words used to describe
more than one....The fact that you said ''It is from the Lord Jesus Christ that we learned that the bible is not infallible and that it contains many errrors. '' is telling me that the we in you are demons.

You go from normal to possessed in 3 sentences all the time, jgredline. We don’t call the exorcist. :wink: I think if you read her testimony, she means her family, and friends when she says, “we.†You guys are something else. One minute you complain about her English being too bad to understand what you’re saying, and the next, you’re picking apart her grammar. A little common sense would go a long ways here.

 

[jgredline]

Scorpia
I humbly appologize and ask you to forgive me for my words. While I do disagree with your remarks in regards to the bible containing errors, my other words were out of line.

I should have simply asked you what you meant via PM. I will surley do that next time....

Blessings,
javier

 

[SpiritualSon]

The one true God is Jesus Christ, as in John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


http://groups.msn.com/FaithinOneGod

Harry :fadein:

 

[scorpia]

Scorpia

I humbly appologize and ask you to forgive me for my words. While I do disagree with your remarks in regards to the bible containing errors, my other words were out of line.

Your apology is very much accepted. May I just remind you that my disagreement with the bible is not the fruit of my own understanding but it is the fruit of what we have received and accepted from the Lord. You and I were of the same feathers before with respect to our view about the bible, remember that too.
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I should have simply asked you what you meant via PM. I will surley do that next time....

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I'll be expecting that from you. How about your missionaries, are they coming?

 

[scorpia]

The one true God is Jesus Christ, as in John 1:3
All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.


http://groups.msn.com/FaithinOneGod

Harry :fadein:

And Jesus is the Father, too. He was also the one who spoke to the people of the Old Testament in biblical times.

 

[mutzrein]

Yes of course Jesus is alive and true today. He is the son OF God. He is the Word OF God.

Still, the bait is just touching the lips of the fish. By whom did you learn that Jesus is the Son of God and Word of God?

By revelation of the spirit of God to my spirit.

It is through Christ that I know God.

This one is meaty and juicy. How is this one? How did Christ let you know God? How did He introduce himself to you? How did you know that He is the Christ? In what manner did Christ reveal himself to you?

God drew me to Christ.
I was introduced to God the same way that any child is introduced to his father. Having been born of God, I KNEW Him from the moment He had placed His spirit within me.
How did I know that Jesus is the Christ? The same way that it was revealed to Peter. My heavenly father revealed it to me. It certainly wasn’t by flesh and blood.
The manner in which Christ was revealed to me was by the Spirit.

But I should say that I talk to God my father – rather than Jesus.

The latter (talking to Jesus) is suffice enough for me to hear from you. All I need is the detail as to how it happened.

How did what happen? I speak to God just as plainly as I speak to anyone. Sometimes it is out loud. Sometimes in prayer. Sometimes by my spirit, when I cannot find the words to say.

So this creates another question in my mind.
Christendom says that Jesus is God. Where do they get this from? Answer: scripture.

That's why they just landed in different religious groups with different teachings, doctrines, and beliefs purely based on their understanding of what they read in the bible.

Yes, it is to me most unfortunate that many who are born of the spirit of God find themselves in these groups and hoodwinked by the doctrines they adhere to.

OK – by what means did the ‘Lord God Jesus Christ’ himself convey to you this revelation?
Yes I’m not disputing whether one knows the Lord and has a relationship with him and sups with him, but by what means Jesus conveyed to you that He is God.

First and foremost, Jesus introduced himself to us that He is the Almighty Lord God who did speak to Moses in the past. He did it to us in a very long message which I already posted in this forum. Jesus took our spirits out of our body and brought us up above the sky and we physically felt this upward movement. He read our minds by saying at random what exactly we were thinking at those moments.(we were then four persons in a room listening to the messages of the Lord). He showed me some miracles like making my nephew walked in a mall without his feet touching the floor tiles, a soundless walk. My nephew was wearing a leather shoes with a metal boston on its sole. This walk took more than 3 minutes hence I was able to carefully watch his steps and it was not really touching the floor. Most of all, Jesus put a stop to the devil who brought to us the mysterious problem that puzzled our whole family for fourteen years. These are only some of what the Lord did to us to make us beliefve that He is the true and alive Almighty Lord God.

I am not going to dispute any supernatural event which you say has happened because plainly I am not in a position to do so. I also know that the presence of Christ is made manifest to people at times but what I do question is that Jesus said, that he (Jesus) is the Almighty Lord God. I don’t dispute that they are one in will, in purpose, in Spirit and that Jesus is the conduit through which God speaks – since he is the Word of God. What I do dispute is that Jesus is actually God.

Yes again, through Christ I also know the presence of God whose spirit He sent to dwell within us.

I hope we can cross our way now. What happens to you, physically, every time that the Lord Jesus sends you the Holy Spirit? What usually do you do that makes the Lord Jesus send you the Holy Spirit? Does the Holy Spirit speak with you when He comes to you or when He indwells with you?

Jesus said when he returned to his father (God) that he would ask Him to send the Holy Spirit which until that time had been WITH man but not IN him. It is this same Spirit that dwells within me constantly. It doesn’t leave and then return. And it is by God’s Spirit that I commune with Him.

Oh I wouldn’t see it as a cross examination on my part – just trying to understand where you are coming from in your quest to cross examine me.

I just want to know the truth or the meat of what you are saying.

Great

Speaking of the cross (of Christ). What say you of it?

What say I of the cross (of Christ), they were just pieces of thick wooden planks where the man to whom the Lord God dwelt in His fullness was nailed unto death? Does that cross have any spiritual bearing on our soul's salvation? I say none. God manifested in the flesh just to let the people know that God does exist in all ages and for them to call on and come to God for their salvation and eternal life.

What I meant was (apart from the physical device called the ‘cross’ which was used to put criminals to death) what do you believe was accomplished by Christ through his death on the cross.

 

[scorpia]

Mutz wrote:
Yes of course Jesus is alive and true today. He is the son OF God. He is the Word OF God.
Still, the bait is just touching the lips of the fish. By whom did you learn that Jesus is the Son of God and Word of God?
Mutz wrote:
By revelation of the spirit of God to my spirit.

Can you please further explain how and by what means did the spirit of God reveal this to you? How sure are you that it is the spirit of God? Did the spirit of God speak to you?

God drew me to Christ.

This is really the work of God, to draw anyone nigh to Jesus Christ.

I was introduced to God the same way that any child is introduced to his father. Having been born of God, I KNEW Him from the moment He had placed His spirit within me.

How have you been born of God? You are too general in this part and it seemed that you were just speaking as one among the born again believers, sorry about this remarks but that's how you are coming to me. Can't you not answer in a way as if you were Moses who really experienced God?

Is the spirit of God and the Holy Spirit one in your perception? How did you know that God had placed His spirit within you? Was there an unusual feeling in your body? .

How did I know that Jesus is the Christ? The same way that it was revealed to Peter. My heavenly father revealed it to me. It certainly wasn’t by flesh and blood.
The manner in which Christ was revealed to me was by the Spirit.

So it was all by the Spirit but how was that? Did the Spirit talk to you? God talked to Moses and so was Jesus to Paul, why all of sudden this time that it was by the Spirit of God hat revelation came to you?

How did what happen? I speak to God just as plainly as I speak to anyone. Sometimes it is out loud. Sometimes in prayer. Sometimes by my spirit, when I cannot find the words to say.

Alright, all I wanted to know now is if God did talk to you in return? If so, give us the details as to how and in what manner did God talk to you? If not, how did God respond to you in the spirit, this is something vague to me.

Yes, it is to me most unfortunate that many who are born of the spirit of God find themselves in these groups and hoodwinked by the doctrines they adhere to.

Are you and these many above have been born of the spirit of God in the same way? Or are you different from them in being born of God? If they are hoodwinked by the doctrines they adhere to, where do you find yourself now to adhere and cleave to?

I also know that the presence of Christ is made manifest to people at times but what I do question is that Jesus said, that he (Jesus) is the Almighty Lord God. I don’t dispute that they are one in will, in purpose, in Spirit and that Jesus is the conduit through which God speaks – since he is the Word of God. What I do dispute is that Jesus is actually God.

On what ground and on what basis are you disputing Jesus is actually God?

I hope we can cross our way now. What happens to you, physically, every time that the Lord Jesus sends you the Holy Spirit? What usually do you do that makes the Lord Jesus send you the Holy Spirit? Does the Holy Spirit speak with you when He comes to you or when He indwells with you?

Jesus said when he returned to his father (God) that he would ask Him to send the Holy Spirit which until that time had been WITH man but not IN him. It is this same Spirit that dwells within me constantly. It doesn’t leave and then return. And it is by God’s Spirit that I commune with Him.

Since my first two questions are not applicable with you, how about the last one, does the Spirit of God talk to you verbally and audibly?

What I meant was (apart from the physical device called the ‘cross’ which was used to put criminals to death) what do you believe was accomplished by Christ through his death on the cross.

My perception this time is that the one who died in the cross was the man (who was born of Mary) to whom Jesus as the Almighty God dwelt/lived in His fullness of Godhood. The accomplishment that Jesus did in His manifestation in the flesh is that Jesus was able to show to the people then that there is really God existing in all ages and that nothing is impossible with God for Him to live and sup with people at any point in time. Jesus had also shown to the people that sinners can always come back to God and God will accord them the necessary forgiveness for their sins for them to attain their salvation and eternal life.

The death on the cross is nothing but the ending part of God's manifestation in the flesh. It is Jesus manifestation in the flesh that has the greatest weight than the death on the cross.

 

[SpiritualSon]

To All,
There is a trinity in all human beings living in this world or had lived in this world. One of these Human Being was Jesus Christ. He had a Soul, Body and Spirit like us. The Lord's Soul, Body and Spirit, is the Father, Son and Holy Spirit. Jesus Said, he that hath seen me hath seen the Father. He Trinity is Divine. Our trinity is human. He is not the second person of a trinity. He is the Divine Trinity. The Father, Son, and Holy Spirit Are Three Essentials or three attributes of One God, not three persons. God the Creator became Man, and gave Himself the name Jesus Christ.

Harry :fadein:

Editing was to correct spelling, not to change words.

 

[mutzrein]

Scorpia

As I said in a post a few days ago I was going to respond to one of your posts but I have no desire to continue going over & over the same sort of questions that you put to me.

So this is where I want to leave my to-ing and fro-ing with you on this thread. Initially when I first started communicating with you I thought that the ‘communication’ problem was perhaps because English is not your first language. As time went by and as you responded to me I realised that the issue is not language but a fundamental difference in our understanding of God and in our relationship with Him.

For one who claims to know God, I find it incomprehensible that you cannot grasp what it means when I tell you that I am born of God. Now this is the most fundamental concept of all – that man can be born of the Spirit of God – and that there is no other means by which man can see or enter the kingdom of heaven.

Other elements of your beliefs also indicate a vast gulf in our beliefs and therefore, on my part it is futile to continue to respond to questions that show we have completely different premises.

I will however answer a few of your questions from your last post.

Is the spirit of God and the Holy Spirit the same entity? Yes.
How do I know that God has placed His Spirit within me? I know it because once I was dead – now I live. I know it because of the witness of my spirit to the things that the Spirit of God is doing in others who are also born of his Spirit. I know it because the peace of God that is beyond understanding, dwells within me.

Was there an unusual feeling in my body? Not as such but at the time I had a definite sense of beauty of God’s creation. It was as though suddenly I was one with all that God had created. Since that time, however there have been a number of instances where I have physically ‘felt’ the presence of God (by His spirit) within me and around about me.

On what ground do I dispute that Jesus is God? I dispute it on the basis of knowing God and within this relationship, having God reveal to me by His spirit, who His son (Jesus) is.

 

[SpiritualSon]

To those who believe what I post. This is what it means to walk in the light.
the "first" of charity is to look to the Lord and shun evils as sins, which is done by repentance. What good is faith, if you don't repent; If you don't put away evil as sins.While you the light walk in the light, so that you may become sons of the light. Faith is believing what you understand,and good works of charity is doing what you understand.

Those who don't believe my last post, do the good works of charity anyway. No one enter heaven because of their churches doctrine, but because of how they lived and what they had done with their life when they were in the world. God does pay attention to how we behave.

Stand in the gate of Jehovah's house, and proclaim there this word: Thus saith Jehovah of Armies the God of Israel, Amend your ways and your doings; trust ye not in lying words, saying, The temple of Jehovah, the temple of Jehovah, the temple of Jehovah, are these. Will ye steal, murder, and commit adultery, and swear falsely, and come and stand before Me in this house, which is called by My name, and say, We are delivered, while ye do all these abominations? Is this house become a den of robbers? Behold, I, even I, have seen it, saith Jehovah (Jer. 7:2-4, 9-11).

Harry :fadein:

 

[scorpia]

I realised that the issue is not language but a fundamental difference in our understanding of God and in our relationship with Him.

Even with my very own compatriots (in our native language), this is also the same problem that exists between us and the biblical believers.
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For one who claims to know God, I find it incomprehensible that you cannot grasp what it means when I tell you that I am born of God. Now this is the most fundamental concept of all – that man can be born of the Spirit of God – and that there is no other means by which man can see or enter the kingdom of heaven.

I know how it is to be born of God because the Lord had not only explained it fully but also allowed us to experience it physically. Why I am only persistent in asking you about it is for you to be able to explain the details of how it is to be born of God for us to be convinced to ourselves that you have really experienced what you're telling us. If not, you're just coming to us as a simply biblical born again believers testifying about his new found faith.

Other elements of your beliefs also indicate a vast gulf in our beliefs and therefore, on my part it is futile to continue to respond to questions that show we have completely different premises.

But you can forget them for a while and just concentrate on one issue, that is going directly to God - study and learn from God himself, no less no more.

I will however answer a few of your questions from your last post.

Is the spirit of God and the Holy Spirit the same entity? Yes.

Fine.

How do I know that God has placed His Spirit within me? I know it because once I was dead – now I live.

I know this is your last but allow me to ask you this, what do you literally mean with your words "once I was dead – now I live"?

I know it because of the witness of my spirit to the things that the Spirit of God is doing in others who are also born of his Spirit. I know it because the peace of God that is beyond understanding, dwells within me.

I heard these lines before from the testimonies of biblical born again believers in which I was once in.

Was there an unusual feeling in my body? Not as such but at the time I had a definite sense of beauty of God’s creation. It was as though suddenly I was one with all that God had created. Since that time, however there have been a number of instances where I have physically ‘felt’ the presence of God (by His spirit) within me and around about me.

Three lady Mormons visited me last week and I asked them this very same question I'm asking you about the Holy Spirit and to my surprise, they were able to answer how does it feel when the Holy Spirit is coming in to a person. Not that I'm saying that the Mormonism is the right one for I do not believe that Joseph Smith were able to talk to God.

However, if those are your claims about the HS, I do respect them now and stop from further asking you.

On what ground do I dispute that Jesus is God? I dispute it on the basis of knowing God and within this relationship, having God reveal to me by His spirit, who His son (Jesus) is.

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Very well said and I wish that you be saved by your faith. Good day murtz.

 

[mutzrein]

I know this is your last but allow me to ask you this, what do you literally mean with your words "once I was dead – now I live"?

I literally mean that when I was born physically I was without a spirit and therefore dead spiritually. At the point that I was born of God's spirit, I crossed over from death to eternal life. So, once I was dead - now I live.

 

[SpiritualSon]

These expressions "that day," "in that day," and "in that time;" in which, by "day," and "time," is meant the Jehovah God's advent.
In Isaiah 25:9 It shall be said "in that day," Lo, this is our God, for whom we have waited, that He may deliver us.

Jehovah God was the Holy Spirit in the Old Testament. The Holy Spirit is meant by the Divine Truth of Jehovah God in the OT, and together with His Divine Good or Divine Love. These are God's Divine Essence, Divine Good and Divine Truth. God is good itself and truth itself. This same one God descended down eternity to be the Soul of the Child born of Mary, as in Isaiah 9:6. The second person was not born in eternity and sent down to Mary on a golden platter.

God's Divine Essence, which is Divine Good and Divine Truth is meant by the Power of the Most High,and the Holy Spirit, which came upon Mary when the angel spoke to her.

Most Christian believe that the Father and Son are two persons, because of the Lord saying, that He will return or go to the Father. The Lord meant that He wiil return the state of which He was before He came in the world, but looked upon as Man. The Jews did not think of God as Man. They worship in external only, not in internal worship. Internal worship and external worship came from Jesus Christ. Jehovah God came into this world so we look to Him as a Man, and see in our minds as a Man. It is easy to understand God's Divine Essence when thought of as a Man. God is a spirit, means that God is truth. God is a Man and Spirit.

Harry :fadein:

Harry

 

[Imagican]

Harry,

If what you offer IS true, then HOW is it that we KNOW that God IS the God of Christ as well as OUR God? Does that make US too, God as well?

And please explain this:

Ephesians 5:1

1Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

2And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

Now, if it IS as you say, that Christ IS God, then PLEASE explain how it is that what is stated above could POSSIBLY be true. For we have an offering here that Christ offered Himself as a sacrifice TO GOD. It does NOT state ANYTHING concerning Christ BEING God. Just the opposite in FACT.

There is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, not three [true] gods.

MEC

 

[Imagican]

scorpia,

You are obviously 'blown to and fro' by MANY winds of doctrine. You stated plainly that you were Catholic for most of your life. Hince, it stands to reason that 'trinity' would have a 'dear' place in your heart. I assume that you have now realized the error with following such a 'doctrine based' faith and have now 'changed' to 'something else', (another doctrine based church). So long as you insist upon the leaning on 'others' instead of 'trusting in the ONE TRUE GOD, you will be unable to come to the understanding of the 'simplicity that IS Christ Jesus'.

I do NOT judge the hearts of others. But I am CERTAINLY able to discern the spirits that lead them. And through your continuing to offer that Mutz does NOT know God simply because his understanding differs from yours shows CLEARLY that you are STILL struggling to find 'Our God'. For if you had, you would NOT be able to make such statements. For you ARE UNABLE to even grasp the essential understanding that EACH of us is a SEPARATE part of the 'same body'. Gifts distributed SEPARATELY and according to the WILL of God. Not for US to decided but to simply accept.

I am NOT trying to attack you on a personal level. Just trying to offer a little wisdom that you seem to have been able to 'overlook' somehow in your walk. I have participated on this forum for quite some time now. Of ALL those that I have discussed such issues with, Mutz has been able to offer an insight, wisdom and understanding that MOST seem to lack. He has offered patience, humility, love and understanding that MOST would be blessed to possess even in partial quantities.

So, scorpia, beware of your judgements of others. For how YOU judge others IS how you WILL be judged. This is not an idle threat from me to you, this IS the Word of God.

MEC

 

[scorpia]

I literally mean that when I was born physically I was without a spirit and therefore dead spiritually. At the point that I was born of God's spirit, I crossed over from death to eternal life. So, once I was dead - now I live.

Thanks mutz, you do it well this time by making clear what kind of death you are talking about. You didn't leave us in limbo, happy holidays good friend.

 

[scorpia]

scorpia,

You are obviously 'blown to and fro' by MANY winds of doctrine. You stated plainly that you were Catholic for most of your life. Hince, it stands to reason that 'trinity' would have a 'dear' place in your heart.

Indeed it had before but not today.

[quote:ba772] I assume that you have now realized the error with following such a 'doctrine based' faith and have now 'changed' to 'something else', (another doctrine based church).

Yes, I had came to realized that error then, and had changed afterwards to another doctrine based church - born again fellowship.

So long as you insist upon the leaning on 'others' instead of 'trusting in the ONE TRUE GOD, you will be unable to come to the understanding of the 'simplicity that IS Christ Jesus'.

That's why my last and final one is the Lord Jesus Christ himself who is the reason why I choose to believe only in HIm as the only ONE TRUE GOD. JESUS continues to live and sup with us now and He will only leave us should we leave Him first.

I do NOT judge the hearts of others. But I am CERTAINLY able to discern the spirits that lead them. And through your continuing to offer that Mutz does NOT know God simply because his understanding differs from yours shows CLEARLY that you are STILL struggling to find 'Our God'

What I'm telling mutz is for him to call on, come on, and talk to God directly so that he may experience God truly and in that way he may not be coming to us in a way that a typical born again believer is just reciting his testimonies of how he/she finds God by the verses of the bible. It is up to you as to how do you look at me now but one thing I can tell you is that I am very sure that God is still talking to people today as in the days of the old, regardless of tongues and races, and that God is not monopolized by anyone.

For if you had, you would NOT be able to make such statements. For you ARE UNABLE to even grasp the essential understanding that EACH of us is a SEPARATE part of the 'same body'. Gifts distributed SEPARATELY and according to the WILL of God. Not for US to decided but to simply accept.

Unless you send me your experience with God, I am still in limbo with what you are saying in this part. I've done with mutz and his is a closed book to me now.

I am NOT trying to attack you on a personal level. Just trying to offer a little wisdom that you seem to have been able to 'overlook' somehow in your walk. I have participated on this forum for quite some time now. Of ALL those that I have discussed such issues with, Mutz has been able to offer an insight, wisdom and understanding that MOST seem to lack. He has offered patience, humility, love and understanding that MOST would be blessed to possess even in partial quantities.

Somehow, the readers in this forum will be the one to tell if they get you well and get me vague. Whatever they may say, I am still firmed in saying let us all call on, come to, study and learn only from God himself if we truly want to know the TRUTH AND THE THINGS OF GOD..

So, scorpia, beware of your judgements of others. For how YOU judge others IS how you WILL be judged. This is not an idle threat from me to you, this IS the Word of God.

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I am only asking and expressing my opinions based on what they say and I do ask f0r an apology if I have gone too far, all that I want is for all to be able to experience God truly as in the biblical times. I am sure that the true and alive God is the One I am testifying with to all - for that all nations and tongues to come directly to God by themselves, without me prodding them on their back.

Peace be with you MEC.

 

[SpiritualSon]

Harry,

If what you offer IS true, then HOW is it that we KNOW that God IS the God of Christ as well as OUR God? Does that make US too, God as well?

And please explain this:

Ephesians 5:1

1Be ye therefore followers of God, as dear children;

2And walk in love, as Christ also hath loved us, and hath given himself for us an offering and a sacrifice to God for a sweetsmelling savour.

Now, if it IS as you say, that Christ IS God, then PLEASE explain how it is that what is stated above could POSSIBLY be true. For we have an offering here that Christ offered Himself as a sacrifice TO GOD. It does NOT state ANYTHING concerning Christ BEING God. Just the opposite in FACT.

There is ONLY ONE TRUE GOD, not three [true] gods.

MEC

Jesus Christ is the one and only God.
We know that there is no other God but one. For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, as there be gods many and lords many, yet to us there is one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in Him; and one Lord Jesus Christ, by whom are all things, and we by Him (1 Cor. 8:4-6). They drank from the spiritual Rock, the Rock was Christ (1 Cor. 10:4).

We know that the Son of God came and gave us understanding, so that we might know Him who is true; and we are in Him who is true, in His Son, Jesus Christ. He is the true God and everlasting life. 1 John 5:20.

Man does not live by bread alone, but by every word that comes forth out of the mouth of God. Matthew 4:4. Here the Lord meant Himself.

As for Ephesians 5:1 Paul didn't mean that Christ wasn't God. The word "Christ" means truth. Christ offered Himself as a sacrifice TO GOD. Paul meant that if Christ had sacrifice Himself to God, than we must do the same. To sacrifice to God means to knowledge that all goods and truths is from Him. when Jesus said to someone that God alone is good, He didn't mean that He wasn't God. He was teaching the person that he should knowledge and believe that all goods and truths from God alone. The Lord's words is to teach us, not to prove that He was't God.

Harry :fadein: