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OSAS discussion without using scripture
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yes. "sin"
nonbelievers who repent might still not be saved. Believers who repent might still be further away from Yhvh tomorrow than today.
Gary
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All one has to do is believe and they're saved.
That's false
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Correct, nonbelievers who repent still might not believe that Jesus is God or they might not believe they need a savior. The road to destruction is wide.
What do you mean here.
I believe it's not false. If you believe on the name of Jesus, truly believe in your heart that Jesus is God and that the sinner needs a savior you will be saved, eternity is eternity.
Gary
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Ok.
last first. even the demons believe that, and they shudder in terror. eternity is eternity. (dead or alive).
believers who repent, might go right back to sinning, then repent again, or get worse than before.
a lot of believers never repent, or rarely repent, and often don't repent of their daily selfishness(many are never informed of this, and/or deny it with the full 'support' of their coterie/group/church, so instead of repenting they remain in their sin... )
You guys understand that this is the son of the God who created, well..
everything right, even the billions of light years and stuff.
no, the demons believed Jesus was God but they didn't believe in their heart that they needed a savior or that Jesus is Lord. big difference.
everything right, even the billions of light years and stuff.
no, the demons believed Jesus was God but they didn't believe in their heart that they needed a savior or that Jesus is Lord. big difference.
The whole point of theological discussions is to come to a knowledge of the truth regarding things that Scripture states. If no Scripture is allowed, then it is all opinion, and no one will come to a knowledge of the truth. So, yes, it is rather pointless.
Actually, no, it isn't. Universalism is the belief that everyone who has ever lived will be saved, regardless of what they have done or believed. That, however, is not a topic for discussion.Gary said:That's Universalism.
they, either demons or people, can believe in their heart or mind or soul or whole body and being that they needed a savior and that Yeshua is Lord , but that won't save them .
But why ask for forgiveness of things you were already forgiven for at the cross. The holy spirit no longer convicts us of sin.
Completely false.
JLB
It's something new to try. Everyone here is being very polite and respectable. It's something new, nothing wrong with that.
Jesus convicts the world of sin and believers of righteousness.
Jesus says we are no longer of this world, we are set apart once you come to faith.
Sin describes nonbelievers and the world, and righteousness describes born again christians.
We can fall into unrighteousness, but we can no longer fall into sin.
We are made righteous through the blood of Christ. You disagree?
But why ask for forgiveness of things you were already forgiven for at the cross. The holy spirit no longer convicts us of sin.
Jesus didn't die for our sins, but made an atonement (final blood sacrifice/covering) for our sin. When Jesus spoke those words "it is finished", meaning the final blood sacrifice for sin, and then gave up the Ghost he then went to sit at the right hand of God to be our intercessor/mediator (high priest) before the Father. Satan also stands accusing the brethren of their past sins, but there is no past sin that God remembers when we repent of them. In this flesh we will sin at times and it is that atonement/sacrifice that Jesus made on the cross that allows us to go before the Father through Jesus and ask for forgiveness every time we mess up. The Holy Spirit will always convict Gods children of disobedience (sin) to help keep us inline with Gods will.
Hey Free and Eugene:
As long as we are elevating opinion over Scripture on this thread is it permissible to bring in quotes from the ascetic Saint Simeon Stylites, (c. 388 – 2 September 459) a man who spent the greater part of 47 years sitting (24/7) on a one square meter sized platform atop a 50 foot pole? I am sure that some of the splinters he felt in his "seat" gave him wonderful insights about OSAS.
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I vote for Gary's post to be the winner.
Now who is Jesus Christ to you................He's the door onto salvation.
What is the difference between relationship and fellowship with Jesus.........Relationship/Personal ....................................................................................................................................Fellowship/Social
Do you think he only had to die once for his blood to be official,
or does he have to come back to earth and die again and again........I'm struggling between 2 answers.
........................................................................................... ..................1. "What am I...2"?
......................................................................................... .....................2.This is a ridiculous question.
.................................................................................. .............................I can't decide.
Let's ask each other questions, it's how we learn.........What is OSAS and what are your beliefs regarding this doctrine?
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It can't be found in the bible, therefore it
is false.
Now what?
JLB
Jethro Bodine
Member
I don't offer my opinion here because I was told that anyone who doesn't believe OSAS is true is not even saved to begin with.
Gary said this:
OSAS can not be found within the Word of God, therefore it is false.
Now what?
Rom 8:38 - For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers,nor things present, nor things to come, (shall separate us from the love of Christ).
The phrase "things to come" excludes nothing in the future. No one can show from the text or context that Paul included anything that can separate us (those who have believed) from the love of Christ.
Is it even conceivable that one who has placed their faith in Christ for eternal life planned on believing only for a period of time? That would be insane. Charles Templeton, the evangelist who mentored a young budding evangelist by the name of Billy Graham left the faith eventually. Did he plan to? Of course not.
None of us knows what the future holds, or what kinds of trials and temptations are coming. So Paul nipped in the bud any thought that one's eternal security is in jeopardy. And Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would be with us forever (not conditional), and Paul wrote that God cannot deny Himself. Since the Holy Spirit indwells the one who has believed, and he will be with us forever, God can't deny Himself, who resides in the ones who have believed.
While the idea that one who quits believing loses salvation appeals to some, there are no verses that say that salvation can be lost. I was amazed at the posters who claimed that the warning passages SAID that salvation can be lost. There were warnings, yes, but none STATED that salvation was in jeopardy of being lost.
OSAS can not be found within the Word of God, therefore it is false.
Now what?
It can and has been found. Some would rather not "see" it, though.
Rom 8:38 - For I am persuaded, that neither death, nor life, nor angels, nor principalities, nor powers,nor things present, nor things to come, (shall separate us from the love of Christ).
The phrase "things to come" excludes nothing in the future. No one can show from the text or context that Paul included anything that can separate us (those who have believed) from the love of Christ.
Is it even conceivable that one who has placed their faith in Christ for eternal life planned on believing only for a period of time? That would be insane. Charles Templeton, the evangelist who mentored a young budding evangelist by the name of Billy Graham left the faith eventually. Did he plan to? Of course not.
None of us knows what the future holds, or what kinds of trials and temptations are coming. So Paul nipped in the bud any thought that one's eternal security is in jeopardy. And Jesus promised the Holy Spirit would be with us forever (not conditional), and Paul wrote that God cannot deny Himself. Since the Holy Spirit indwells the one who has believed, and he will be with us forever, God can't deny Himself, who resides in the ones who have believed.
While the idea that one who quits believing loses salvation appeals to some, there are no verses that say that salvation can be lost. I was amazed at the posters who claimed that the warning passages SAID that salvation can be lost. There were warnings, yes, but none STATED that salvation was in jeopardy of being lost.
What else does God require to be saved?
If your statement is true, then Paul's answer to the jailer was not true then. Nor all the times Jesus said that eternal life was based on faith in Him.
He even said the work that God requires is to believe on His Son, when the crowd asked Jesus what God required. Jn 6:28-29.