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Rollo Tamasi said:
We've got so many people talking in all different directions, I'm lost.
I musta got lost!
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here you go
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Karl said:
I did, 1 Cor 3:11-15
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Ok, so can we discuss this verse? According to this verse our works will be judged - we can agree, the better works we do, the higher reward we receive, correct?

So would you say we are in competition with one another? If I do better, my reward will be better and if you do better, your reward will be better than mine and everyone else who doesn't do as well?

I have always looked at "reward" as the crown of life, for those who remain steadfast under trial will receive the crown of life, the opposite would be if the person did not remain steadfast, they would not receive this reward.

James 1:12 Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

Do you think that "remaining steadfast under trial" and "doing good works" are different? One will get you a crown of life - or Not and the other one will earn you rewards in heaven?

If this is the case, then maybe we are both correct. We must remain steadfast in our walk with Christ in order to receive the crown of life and while we remain steadfast, we do good works so that we get better rewards than other people.

Would you agree? Serious question.......
 
Jesse said:
Ok, so can we discuss this verse? According to this verse our works will be judged - we can agree, the better works we do, the higher reward we receive, correct?

So would you say we are in competition with one another? If I do better, my reward will be better and if you do better, your reward will be better than mine and everyone else who doesn't do as well?

I have always looked at "reward" as the crown of life, for those who remain steadfast under trial will receive the crown of life, the opposite would be if the person did not remain steadfast, they would not receive this reward.

James 1:12 Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

Do you think that "remaining steadfast under trial" and "doing good works" are different? One will get you a crown of life - or Not and the other one will earn you rewards in heaven?

If this is the case, then maybe we are both correct. We must remain steadfast in our walk with Christ in order to receive the crown of life and while we remain steadfast, we do good works so that we get better rewards than other people.

Would you agree? Serious question.......
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We should never be competitive about who is going to get the most rewards.Our main goal is to get to heaven and stay out of hell...agreed?
 
Kathi said:
We should never be competitive about who is going to get the most rewards.Our main goal is to get to heaven and stay out of hell...agreed?
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It is a competition though, according to that verse, some will get bigger rewards than others, so why not just go for the bigger, better one?
 
Chopper said:
Study....you will see the two books mentioned in Scripture. Supposedly the book of life is a record of all humans that have been born into this world. The Lambs Book of Life is a record of all who have put their faith in Jesus the Christ.
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Would you mind posting the scripture for that? I don't remember seeing anything like that in the bible......but I could be wrong.

Thanks.
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Jesse said:
Ok, so can we discuss this verse? According to this verse our works will be judged - we can agree, the better works we do, the higher reward we receive, correct?

So would you say we are in competition with one another? If I do better, my reward will be better and if you do better, your reward will be better than mine and everyone else who doesn't do as well?

I have always looked at "reward" as the crown of life, for those who remain steadfast under trial will receive the crown of life, the opposite would be if the person did not remain steadfast, they would not receive this reward.

James 1:12 Blessed is the man who remains steadfast under trial, for when he has stood the test he will receive the crown of life, which God has promised to those who love him.

Do you think that "remaining steadfast under trial" and "doing good works" are different? One will get you a crown of life - or Not and the other one will earn you rewards in heaven?

If this is the case, then maybe we are both correct. We must remain steadfast in our walk with Christ in order to receive the crown of life and while we remain steadfast, we do good works so that we get better rewards than other people.

Would you agree? Serious question.......
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That is so wrong.
I hope you are joking.
 
Jesse said:
It is a competition though, according to that verse, some will get bigger rewards than others, so why not just go for the bigger, better one?
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Some will gain rewards and some will lose rewards that is true.Why are these people losing rewards?
 
When i consider the body
1Co 12:13 For by one Spirit are we all baptized into one body, whether we be Jews or Gentiles, whether we be bond or free; and have been all made to drink into one Spirit.
1Co 12:14 For the body is not one member, but many.
1Co 12:15 If the foot shall say, Because I am not the hand, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
1Co 12:16 And if the ear shall say, Because I am not the eye, I am not of the body; is it therefore not of the body?
1Co 12:17 If the whole body were an eye, where were the hearing? If the whole were hearing, where were the smelling?
1Co 12:18 But now hath God set the members every one of them in the body, as it hath pleased him.
1Co 12:19 And if they were all one member, where were the body?
1Co 12:20 But now are they many members, yet but one body.
1Co 12:21 And the eye cannot say unto the hand, I have no need of thee: nor again the head to the feet, I have no need of you.
1Co 12:22 Nay, much more those members of the body, which seem to be more feeble, are necessary:
1Co 12:23 And those members of the body, which we think to be less honourable, upon these we bestow more abundant honour; and our uncomely parts have more abundant comeliness.

Doing what we do as unto the Lord... is what we should do... Lets say God told Susie to take His word to 50 people ... Susie do so... She can not do better.
If God told me to take His Word to 500 and i only reached 100 i have not done as well as Susie even though i reach twice as many....
We each must be the body part we are..
Peter is not less then Paul... nor more then Matthew..
 
reba said:
I do not understand what your meaning in this line is...
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A little history, I was od'ed on Acid when I was 18 years old, I knew deep inside of me if I died I was going to Hell, I don't have any words in my vocabulary that can adequately describe the terror I felt, at the instant I was to have died I cried out the only religious word I knew, "Father," and was instantly straight, 19 years later I went to church and was told Jesus loved me and died in my place on the cross, after I was born again came the doctrinal teaching of losing my salvation, remembering back to that night 19 years ago I lived for 2 1/2 years in mortal fear of losing my salvation and going to Hell, I also was in charge of the youth and they were constantly perplexed and distressed over this doctrine, they always brought up the subject of losing our salvation during our meetings, one of the teenage girls admitted she wanted to commit suicide because of her uncertainty about her salvation, but if she did she was certain she would go to Hell when she died.

Systematically the Lord moved many of His kids out of that church, because of work He moved me 9 hours by car away, I started attending a small nondenominational church and to my surprise I heard about Grace for the first time, when I asked the pastor about losing my salvation he told me to pray about it and ask the Holy Spirit to teach me 1 JOHN 2:27, ever since then the Holy Spirit has been teaching me His interpretation of all of the verses that people claim teach that I can lose my salvation.

Sorry it's long, but I hope now you understand what I meant, when I read about your uncertainty I flashed back to that dear girl in the youth group, straight A student, her whole life before her, ...so despondent she wanted to die, rather than learn to live in the abundant life Jesus has promised us, ...and because you are my sis my heart aches for you, when one is hurting we all hurt, ...we may be separated by thousands of miles, but because there is only one true Church, and it's the same Spirit in you that's in me and He is sad over your uncertainty, ...and that touches me here in Paradise. (weeping)

...that's what I'm saying and others have said too in this thread,

...those that say someone can lose their salvation are secure in theirs while terrorizing others, how do I know this, because I was held over the fires of Hell so to speak, and if they really believed what they say they would be horrified of where they might end up, and it's been my experience that people that are truly terrified don't talk much and they certainly don't debate.

...and that's not what Jesus called us to do, we are to edify and build up His Church, ...to protect the weak and young in faith, console the uncertain and hold up those stumbling.

A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: Isa 42:3
 
Rollo Tamasi said:
Luke 12:48; NIV
"From everyone who has been given much, much will be demanded; and from the one who has been entrusted with much, much more will be asked".

How does that fit in with your theology?
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The more God gives us the more is demanded of us, so we had better do well with what has been given.

Those doing well, will be given more, those not doing so well it will be taken away.
 
Gary said:
Could you please show me where this is found in the scriptures?

Thanks.
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I already posted Psalm 69:28
David is referring here to earthly,physical life,not eternal life in heaven.
Exodus 32:32:33 is also about the book of the living.
 
Karl....Thank you for your explanation ... and a very powerful testimony :)

I do not believe discussing this subject on Christian boards is terrorizing any one...

Most everyone here will say they are taught of the Spirit... no matter the side.

Growing up as a AofG PK getting saved every week was the norm....(notice i did say it was right)
Looking at the sovereignty of God throws me to the other side of the discussion.

What i hear you saying is get saved and if ya screw up bad it does not matter just as long as you are secure in your salvation.

I say our fruit matters..
 
jonahmano said:
When Paul is talking to gentiles whom he called saints in Ephesians and to the Corinthians and to the Galatians, he just means that just having faith in Christ not enough. You need to grow in the Lord, now I'm talking to you as babes and carnal christians but I want you to be to transformed to matured Christians so that you can be fed with solid food. This is what i meant. I mean I believe Paul meant.
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I agree. But your post wasn't clear.
 
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