And that isn't saving faith. One needs the right object and right purpose or goal.
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Truth does not depend "on what your interpretation of Scripture" is. Truth is what God said and meant. There is only 1 interpretation; God's. Best we understand what He meant by what He said.
Thanks!
Gary
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Psalm 69....(NKJV)
28 Let them be blotted out of the book of the living,
And not be written with the righteous.
Exodus 32....(NKJV)
32 Yet now, if You will forgive their sin—but if not, I pray, blot me out of Your book which You have written.”
33 And the Lord said to Moses, “Whoever has sinned against Me, I will blot him out of My book.
I see nothing in these passages that would lead anyone to the conclusion that the Book of the Living and the Book of Life are two different books.
If the Book of the Living is just a record of people born into this world, why does it mention the blotting out of names?
I contend that the 2 books are the same Book.
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I believe we all know that.
But you still have not provided ANY verse that tells us that on-going faith is the requirement for salvation. None. Where are they? And your view does not stand up to the clear words of Scripture:
"imperishable seed" of 1 Pet 1:23
"eternal life" of Jn 6:40
Holy Spirit is the seal of God FOR the day of redemption per Eph 1:13,14, 2 Cor 1:22, 5:5
And many believers displease God every day.
Your view removes all meaning from the doctrine of rewards as taught in Scripture. Instead of loss of rewards, which is earned, you claim there is loss of salvation. So apparently your view is that faithful believers are rewarded and unfaithful believers experience the second death, which is impossible since they also were given eternal life. Such life cannot die.
Except you still have zero support for that idea from Scripture.
We do our works to receive crowns, there are different crowns for us to receive, and no we are not in competition with each other, in fact we are to help each other receive all their crowns, our human body is not in competition with it's self and the Church body is not to be in competition either.
We read in the Apocalypse we will throw our crowns at Jesus' feet, after all, without Him we can do nothing, so then our works come from faith and faith comes from the Word of God, so the only works we can do to receive our rewards/crowns are what Father has told us to do in faith and He supplies supernaturally/naturally what's necessary to accomplish them.
Paul also teaches us there are different types/categories of works we can do, gold, silver, precious gems and wood, hay and straw, many believe this a reference to the importance of what we do, and it could be, but I tend to believe it describes how Father looks at our works, the key being, where are the two different categories are found, wood, hay and straw are visible, I believe that is a reference to those that serve in the public eye, gold, silver and precious gem are hidden in the earth, and that is a reference to those in their prayer closets, those that clean the church, all the supposedly menial work that goes without recognition, ...remember, the first shall be last and the last will be first.
Now, I personally believe that faith, how much we have built up, will be our locomotion in Eternity, how far we can travel in the Universe or Heaven and our rewards will be the extent we can enjoy and benefit from Eternity, it's like the difference of what I enjoyed to do as a child (fascinated with a small toy) compared to what I enjoyed to do as an adult (design and build dragsters in my garage), ...all will be happy and filled with joy, but there will be those that can not experience Eternity to it's fullest.
May I suggest you do a study on faith and also do a study on the rewards Jesus taught about and let the Holy Spirit teach you and see what you learn, I think you will find it most rewarding, and that way you will own it.
The interpretation of Scripture is very important.The literal true word of God is the only interpretation not what a person thinks a verse says.Giving it their own translation.
1 Cor 9:24-27 To be "disqualified" literally means disapproved. The believer's behavior is either approved by God or disapproved. But there are no verses that say that we can lose salvation.
The apostle John was concerned about loss of rewards in 2 Jn 8: Watch yourselves, that you do not lose what we have accomplished, but that you may receive a full reward.
But I think Jesus' words are most compelling: Rev 22:12
12“Behold, I am coming quickly, and My reward is with Me, to render to every man according to what he has done.
It is grossly incorrect to consider salvation as a reward, since the very definition of "reward" means something earned. Salvation is not earned.
Amen!
1 Corinthians 3:13 If anyone’s work is burned, he will suffer loss; but he himself will be saved, yet so as through fire.
1 Corinthians 3:15 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is.
1 Corinthians 3:15 each one’s work will become clear; for the Day will declare it, because it will be revealed by fire; and the fire will test each one’s work, of what sort it is.
Here is the absolute bottom line for eternal security. Paul opened his epistle to the Romans by describing believers as "called" in 1:5,6,7 and 8:28,30. In ch 5 he defined righteousness as a gift and in ch 6 he defined eternal life as a gift. Then, he wrote this in 11:29 - "for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable."
Those who try to warp this verse to "only" refer to Israel are wrong, for Israel was never called, nor given gifts. By the time his readers in Rome got to 11:29, they were very clear as to what he was referring to by the words "gifts" and "calling". It had nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with themselves.
Those who try to warp this verse to "only" refer to Israel are wrong, for Israel was never called, nor given gifts. By the time his readers in Rome got to 11:29, they were very clear as to what he was referring to by the words "gifts" and "calling". It had nothing to do with Israel and everything to do with themselves.
Suit yourself.
The Book of life/Lambs Book of Life are the same book.The book of the saved.
But how does that fit in with rewards?
Karl....Thank you for your explanation ... and a very powerful testimony
I do not believe discussing this subject on Christian boards is terrorizing any one...
Most everyone here will say they are taught of the Spirit... no matter the side.
Growing up as a AofG PK getting saved every week was the norm....(notice i did say it was right)
Looking at the sovereignty of God throws me to the other side of the discussion.
What i hear you saying is get saved and if ya screw up bad it does not matter just as long as you are secure in your salvation.
I say our fruit matters..
No sis, I'm not saying or advocating screwing up and it doesn't really matter, what I'm saying is my love for Jesus, after He saved a wretch like me, keeps me from wanting to be responsible for another lash from the Roman scourge on His Body,
The fear of the Lord is often misinterpretation to mean to be afraid of Him, I don't believe that is the characteristic or the desire of a loving Heavenly Father,
...I'm afraid of hurting Him more, being responsible for more of those lashes that landed on His Holy Body that turned Him into hamburger, ...He paid for all of my sins on the Cross, those that I wasn't aware of before I was born again, Okay, ...but now I'm a child of the Light, I know what my sins did to Him, now I can chose to not sin when temptation arises, I can be an overcomer, ,,, am I perfect and sinless, no, I sin, but it grieves me when I do, ...and you know what blows me away, when I come back to Him and confess my sin He is faithful and just to forgive, ...and there are those bloody outstretched arms ready to receive me, ...people that truly understand what happened that day have no desire to be responsible for hurting their Lord any more, than what they unknowingly did before they were born again.
And that is what Peter was/is talking about in purifying our souls, there is power in obedience, when we are tempted the Holy Spirit gives us a verse to overcome the temptation, we can chose to use it, obey what it says and the temptation just melts away, like ice cream in summer, and it's over, we have overcome the temptation with the Word and can be joyful that we weren't responsible for another lash, or blow to His face, or blow to drive the thorns deeper into His skull.
And yes our fruit matters, but that's another subject and I've already hijacked my dear brother rollo's thread enough.
J
Jesse
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If someone was given much here and did well, then their reward might be to rule with Christ - as an example.
Scripture doesn't say that.
It says much is expected in return.
Therefore, you are just doing your duty, nothing more.
Your thoughts on great rewards in heaven isn't what you think it is.
How many crowns do we get in heaven?
The more crowns, the greater we are?
What do you think?
1 Thessalonians 2:19; NIV
J
Jesse
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In my very first post regarding a reward in heaven, I said that I thought it was the crown of life - that IS the reward.
Then I did additional study and noticed there are more rewards, not just one reward. No, I don't think the other rewards are another crown of life.
The more rewards, the better we are - this seems to be what I am reading.
If a person is given more, more is expected but if they don't live up to the expectation then it could be taken away. If they do well, then more will be given, but the more that is given is not a reward, it's just more responsibility, more to do.
Agree? Not agree?
Gary
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Joh_1:36 And looking upon Jesus as he walked, he saith, Behold the Lamb of God!
So you believe Jesus is a lamb?
Literally literal does not work...
Well, what more do we get?
What does Scripture say what the "more" is?