OSAS The Truth

[FreeGrace]

There is nothing elusive about it whatsoever. God will not be blessing the evil of any man no matter what kind of religious paint they put on.

Who do you think believes that God would bless any evil?

 

[Deborah13]

According to Five Point Calvinism some sinners are predestined for Heaven and some sinners are predestined for Hell.

According to Scripture no sinners are predestined for Hell. Clear enough?

Perfect! Thank you.

 

[FreeGrace]

Thanks for your questions. 1. During the Reformation, a lot of information came out, especially from Luther that painted a very dim opinion of the Roman system of theology. Most of that theology was against Scripture which was rejected by those great men of God. Luther especially knew of the inner truth of just how satanic their practices and dogma were because he was part of the RCC for years until he was delivered from RCC by the Scripture, "the just shall live by faith." Calvin knew, without a doubt, that the Roman Church was a false religion, therefore he also knew that they were not numbered amongst the Elect.

2. In all of my study of Calvin's writings, I have not come across a mention by Calvin that he considered part of the Elect. I could be wrong, so, if you could supply me with a statement from him, I'll have to rethink Calvin's estimation of himself. If he did, I'd consider that statement as pure pride.

Why do you view being considered as part of the elect to be a statement of pure pride? The Bible tells us who the elect are:

1. Jesus Christ
2. elect angels
3. nation of Israel
4. church age believers
5. 12 original disciples

Those who are church age believers can count themselves among the elect.

 

[smaller]

"the body is dead by means of [on account of] of sin;" Sin was only the intermediate cause of death. It was because of Adams disobedience that the LORD sentenced his body of flesh to death. [I might add, Adam's spirit had already died by the time the LORD found him hiding in the garden, before the LORD sentenced his physical body to return to dust.]

[Using that method] we can probably make it say anything.

Adam's initial problem was not sin,but that he fell from his first love. Adam fell out of love with the LORD, and then decided to disobey Him.

If it's your story I guess you can tell it anyway you please.

You point to these Scripture to prove Satan or his messenger can dwell within the flesh of a believer:

1 John 3:8
He that committeth sin is of the devil;

You can slice away sin being of the devil anyway you please. The corroborating evidence isn't going away nor is Paul coming back for a rewrite saying that a messenger of Satan was not in his flesh according to your wishes.

 

[FreeGrace]

God won't be blessing or OSASing the tempter or his activities in anyone, believers first and foremost.

Oh, I get it. Any believer who tempts another loses their salvation. Well, at least we're beginning to get to the bottom of your view. Which I strongly disagree.

 

[smaller]

Thanks for clearing up what smaller seemed unable to do.

There is no need to pile on me for reading plain statements of text.

 

[smaller]

Oh, I get it. Any believer who tempts another loses their salvation. Well, at least we're beginning to get to the bottom of your view. Which I strongly disagree.

Nice try on a redirection, but not biting. Sorry.

 

[FreeGrace]

There is no need to pile on me for reading plain statements of text.

You haven't been doing that. You've been posting vague posts.

 

[smaller]

You haven't been doing that. You've been posting vague posts.

As vague as black on white.

I don't think Paul could have been any clearer myself.

Y'all can OSAS your evil present til the cows come home. It will never be a workable theology position.

 

[smaller]

Who do you think believes that God would bless any evil?

He never has and never will. That's why OSAS doesn't compute when it spreads to any mans evil, passive or active.

 

[FreeGrace]

Nice try on a redirection, but not biting. Sorry.

What I posted was based on what you posted. No "redirection".

 

[FreeGrace]

As vague as black on white.

Yeah, kinda like a Rohrshach ink blot.

I don't think Paul could have been any clearer myself.

I have no problem reading or understanding what Paul wrote.

Y'all can OSAS your evil present til the cows come home. It will never be a workable theology position.

Where did you get the absurd idea that I apply OSAS to evil????

 

[smaller]

What I posted was based on what you posted. No "redirection".

No sense putting up a position claiming it to be mine.

 

[FreeGrace]

He never has and never will. That's why OSAS doesn't compute when it spreads to any mans evil, passive or active.

What doesn't compute is why you think that anyone applies OSAS to evil.

 

[smaller]

Yeah, kinda like a Rohrshach ink blot.

I have no problem reading or understanding what Paul wrote.

Really? Did Paul have a messenger of Satan in his flesh?

lol. Do you really think Paul extended OSAS to that messenger of Satan in his flesh?

again

lol

 

[smaller]

What doesn't compute is why you think that anyone applies OSAS to evil.

OSAS believers tend to slather the entirety of themselves with it.

 

[FreeGrace]

Really? Did Paul have a messenger of Satan in his flesh?

lol. Do you really think Paul extended OSAS to that messenger of Satan in his flesh?

Of course he didn't. Just like everyone else on this thread wouldn't think that.

Why do you think that I would think that? It is absurd to think that Paul would "extend" OSAS to any messenger of Satan.

 

[FreeGrace]

OSAS believers tend to slather the entirety of themselves with it.

Kinda a broad brush. Can you cite any OSAS believer who fits your view of them?

 

[smaller]

Of course he didn't. Just like everyone else on this thread wouldn't think that.

Why do you think that I would think that? It is absurd to think that Paul would "extend" OSAS to any messenger of Satan.

That's right because it never happened and never will.

When believers of any sort start thinking they are entirely and only right and never evil acting or thinking, or they excuse their evil [in any form] on the basis of OSAS they have at least one foot in a theological graveyard.

 

[Deborah13]

That's right because it never happened and never will.

When believers of any sort start thinking they are entirely and only right and never evil acting or thinking, or they excuse their evil [in any form] on the basis of OSAS they have at least one foot in a theological graveyard.

smaller, will you please give an example of an imaginary person excusing their evil on the bases of OSAS. How do you see that they might do that?