Poll re. good tattoo artist career for a Christian woman

[farouk]

ETA: @farouk , I think you meant to use the word "tattoos" instead of "witchcraft"?

@questdriven :

Whatever it was, I think I meant, more or less, what does trying to evangelize in this way have to do with witchcraft? The hypothesis that it supposedly does, remains in some doubt, at least, to me.

(Sorry if my wording wasn't clear!)

Blessings.

Well, to me it appears that God's disapproval of witchcraft is for different purposes than His disapproval in the OT about tattoos. Granted, I don't have the scripture right in front of me, but I'm pretty familiar with what the Bible says about witchcraft. Seems to be in a different context than tattoos. What do you think?

Hm...is anything mentioned in the NT about witchcraft? I forget. I imagine it must be.

@questdriven :

Maybe it would be a good subject for another thread; (there was Simon the magician in Acts, who despite his profession was in the gall of bitterness, etc.).

Leviticus 19 is the passage you are thinking of, maybe; it also mentions not trimming the corners of beards. I like what is sometimes said by Dispensationalists: All Scripture is for us; all Scripture is not necessarily about us.

Blessings.

 

[Kaileymarie]

Leviticus 19:28 You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord.

It seems to me this verse applies to tattoos "for the dead". If it does in fact apply to all tattoos, it is of course in the OT and doesn't necessarily need be applied to Christians? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Either way.. There are contradictions, or so it seems. Of course just like most verses they

 

[Kaileymarie]

Leviticus 19:28 You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord.

It seems to me this verse applies to tattoos "for the dead". If it does in fact apply to all tattoos, it is of course in the OT and doesn't necessarily need be applied to Christians? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Either way.. There are contradictions, or so it seems. Of course just like most verses they

Are open to interpretation.

 

[farouk]

Leviticus 19:28 You shall not make any cuttings in your flesh for the dead, nor tattoo any marks on you: I am the Lord.

It seems to me this verse applies to tattoos "for the dead". If it does in fact apply to all tattoos, it is of course in the OT and doesn't necessarily need be applied to Christians? Correct me if I'm wrong.

Either way.. There are contradictions, or so it seems. Of course just like most verses they

Are open to interpretation.

[MENTION=93407]Kaileymarie[/MENTION] :

Right next to the verse is one about men not trimming the corners of their beards. How many Fundamentalist preachers shave? (A lot of them would even say, Thou shalt not have a beard, because Fidel Castro has a beard.)

These things in Leviticus are all for our instruction and learning; but as a dispensationalist I don't see the church in the Old Testament at all, frankly. Some of the Old Testament seems particularly applicable to Jews under the law.

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

PS: Isaiah 45.19 is another interesting verse. In the Amplified Bible (which is not a strict translation but an expanded paraphrase) it has 'I have tattooed thee on the palms of my hands'.

 

[farouk]

What do folk think of the pain factor, BTW?

Some tattooists (not necessarily Christian ones) say that the pain is all part of the procedure than folk shouldn't try to diminish with numbing cream, etc. I'm not sure what to think of this, but anyway.

Some people would still definitely say, if it's so worthwhile going under the needle (parlticularly for a faith based design?) then the person should be prepared to tough it out without a numbing cream.

(Thoughts, guys?)

Blessings.

 

[evenifigoalone]

If they want to be in pain, none of my business, I guess. I wouldn't do it myself.

 

[Kaileymarie]

What do folk think of the pain factor, BTW?

Some tattooists (not necessarily Christian ones) say that the pain is all part of the procedure than folk shouldn't try to diminish with numbing cream, etc. I'm not sure what to think of this, but anyway.

Some people would still definitely say, if it's so worthwhile going under the needle (parlticularly for a faith based design?) then the person should be prepared to tough it out without a numbing cream.

(Thoughts, guys?)

Blessings.

Haha! I've never seen anyone use a numbing cream. I can understand getting a tattoo for god and feeling like you need to endure the pain.

Of course, having a drink or two beforehand helps. As long as you had plans to get the tat BEFORE you had the drinks ;)

 

[farouk]

Haha! I've never seen anyone use a numbing cream. I can understand getting a tattoo for [G]od and feeling like you need to endure the pain.
..

Kaileymarie:

Yes, I see what you mean. Like, if you are going to get a witness tattoo, it ought to cost you something in terms of being prepared for at least some discomfort?

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

If they want to be in pain, none of my business, I guess. I wouldn't do it myself.

questdriven:

Sorry, by this, do you mean:

You'll never use numbing cream

or

You'll never get a faith based tattoo?

Blessings.

 

[evenifigoalone]

If they want to be in pain, none of my business, I guess. I wouldn't do it myself.

questdriven:

Sorry, by this, do you mean:

You'll never use numbing cream

or

You'll never get a faith based tattoo?

Blessings.

I would use numbing cream if I ever did get a tattoo. Not a fan of pain. xD

 

[farouk]

I would use numbing cream if I ever did get a tattoo. Not a fan of pain. xD

questdriven:

Okay, right.

Anyway, DrNumb is one of the more popular numbing creams. (It's on the Web, as DrNumb dot com.) Basically it needs to be thoroughly applied beforehand, and depending on the size of the design more than one tube might be necessary, but if yours wouldn't be particularly big, one tube would be ample, I would reckon, anyway.

You and Kaileymarie obviously take slightly different approaches to the pain/numbing issue!

Blessings.

 

[farouk]

Yes, yes they do. I think every one of the hard rock bands I'm into, the members wear earrings, or ear stretchers, or have tattoos or something. Except maybe Disciple..

questdriven:
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Just to give you a bit of news trivia…
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Among the current and past members of Disciple:
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Kevin Young:
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Micah Sannan:
http://www.mytinyphone.com/wallpaper/473590/
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Trent Reiff:
http://meinlcymbals.com/artists/Artist/show/trent-reiff-571
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Andrew Welch:
http://adamrussell1967.wordpress.com/#jp-carousel-293
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These have now all had it done.
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Not that it necessarily proves anything or especially means anything for anyone else.
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(Two cents’.)
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Blessings.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Galations 5:20 mentions witchcraft as something that's indisputably wrong.

 

[farouk]

Galations 5:20 mentions witchcraft as something that's indisputably wrong.

questdriven:

Indeed it is.

Do you see it linked with faith based tattoos, though?

Blessings.

 

[evenifigoalone]

Galations 5:20 mentions witchcraft as something that's indisputably wrong.

questdriven:

Indeed it is.

Do you see it linked with faith based tattoos, though?

Blessings.

No. I think that the NT mentions witchcraft specifically, and not tattoos, supports my theory that tattoos and witchcraft were originally forbidden for different reasons.

 

[farouk]

Galations 5:20 mentions witchcraft as something that's indisputably wrong.

questdriven:

Indeed it is.

Do you see it linked with faith based tattoos, though?

Blessings.

No. I think that the NT mentions witchcraft specifically, and not tattoos, supports my theory that tattoos and witchcraft were originally forbidden for different reasons.

questdriven:

I see how you're thinking.

Anyway, 'cutting for the dead', in Leviticus 19, which seems to have involved pagan necromancy, and on the other hand a New Testament believer getting a reference from the Bible (or fish symbol, etc.) by way of testimony to the life giving Gospel, would appear to be more dissimilar than similar. (If this makes sense?)

The person doing it (or not doing it, as the case may be) does presumably undergo a sense of motive, which would seem to be an important aspect.

Blessings.

 

[Kaileymarie]

Oh I would definitely use the numbing cream.. Depending on how much it is, anyway.

Of course women in general have a higher pain tolerance than men. Still they probably sell more to women. I can see some men feeling like they might look like some kind of "wimp" or something.

 

[farouk]

Oh I would definitely use the numbing cream.. Depending on how much it is, anyway.

Of course women in general have a higher pain tolerance than men. Still they probably sell more to women. I can see some men feeling like they might look like some kind of "wimp" or something.

Kaileymarie:

I've heard some tattooists say that the pain is all part of the experience; not sure what to think of this, though. And I guess if folk can produce something that makes the way open more easily to more people comfortably getting aesthetically postive (and even testimony promoting?) enhancements, then this might also be regarded as a positive thing, too.

But anyway, re. women specifically, I expect you saw the survey, which was very widely publicized, that, of the people in America getting tattoos, 41% are men and 59% are women.

Blessings.

 

[Mizzy]

We have a lot of OT laws that were about wellness & survival for God's People. Considering that we still have health issues with tatts, even in this time of knowledge & medical advancement, it would be no surprise to me if God's commandment against it were not for the sake of one's morals.

I do not like tattoos. Never got one & will never willingly get one. But just like so many things in this world today, it's become normal & accepted by society. When that happens, we have a generation that doesn't even think of the consequences of getting one (or 20). So, whaddaya do? If worship music hadn't changed, would we be drawing in teens? If the unspoken Sunday dress code hadn't changed, would we be drawing in less? It's true that God never changes, but WE do. And while I believe that God alone can draw tennis shoe-clad people & heavy metal-loving teens, I also believe that God didn't reiterate any laws against tattoos in the NT because He foresaw such a time as this.

That said, I'd rather see a Christian tattoo artist on every corner than the darkness I'm seeing out there now. And I'd much rather see God's Word on someone's arm than the satanic images I have to glance upon. Who knows... a tattoo parlor may be the only place some will ever hear about the Gospel of Christ.