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Predestination
- Thread starter Iconoclast
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Consecrated Life
Member
I think so .
So by "hearing" followed by " Believing" followed by " calling", the
Iconoclast said:.. "new heart also will I give you, " is then transplanted .
Is the correct chronology ?
It is obvious that YOU do not.
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
Is this really necessary?
Is this what they teach you in the church you attend?
Have you no love in you at all?
If you don't know love, you don't know God because God IS LOVE.
I asked you if you know the bible because of what YOU yourself stated:
Here it is, see post no. 54:
Paul was wrestling with his sin, as do a all Christians on a daily basis.
Those who understand, know and teach the Bible better then everyone else will be along shortly to correct me.
Grace and peace to you
You stated that those who understand, know and teach the bible would be along shortly to reply to my question to YOU. So I asked if YOU yourself know the bible. It's a legitimate question, it wasn't meant to be mean. So why answer it in a mean way?
And maybe you should remove GRACE AND PEACE TO YOU as a signature.
You have to show grace and you certainly don't make peace here on this thread..
it looks more like war.
It was sarcasm.
You are the one who is contentious with anyone who does not agree with you.
Do not reply to my posts if what I say upsets you.
You really should look in the mirror.
Grace and peace to you.
Wondering.....We will sort it out.
At least we are communicating at a more edifying level now. Differences force us to take another look at what we hold. Believe what you do, until you see a better path. On the lighter side;
My family I am told came from Arienzo. My last name is D'Arienzo... have never traced it out, but have seen a clothing Line, jackets and such with my last name...maybe relatives, lol
Yes they do
Hello JLB,
Let me say this about that. First off greetings...not sure we have interacted before.
Let me demonstrate why I advocate the use of study helps.
You say; The scriptures teach us the truth.
Correct me if I am not understanding, but are you saying that we should ONLY use our bible?
I met many who suggest this.
Here is that section in the 1689;
1._____ The Holy Scripture is the only sufficient, certain, and infallible rule of all saving knowledge, faith, and obedience, although the light of nature, and the works of creation and providence do so far manifest the goodness, wisdom, and power of God, as to leave men inexcusable; yet are they not sufficient to give that knowledge of God and his will which is necessary unto salvation. Therefore it pleased the Lord at sundry times and in divers manners to reveal himself, and to declare that his will unto his church; and afterward for the better preserving and propagating of the truth, and for the more sure establishment and comfort of the church against the corruption of the flesh, and the malice of Satan, and of the world, to commit the same wholly unto writing; which maketh the Holy Scriptures to be most necessary, those former ways of God's revealing his will unto his people being now ceased.
( 2 Timothy 3:15-17; Isaiah 8:20; Luke 16:29, 31; Ephesians 2:20; Romans 1:19-21; Romans 2:14,15; Psalms 19:1-3; Hebrews 1:1; Proverbs 22:19-21; Romans 15:4; 2 Peter 1:19,20 )
10.____The supreme judge, by which all controversies of religion are to be determined, and all decrees of councils, opinions of ancient writers, doctrines of men, and private spirits, are to be examined, and in whose sentence we are to rest, can be no other but the Holy Scripture delivered by the Spirit, into which Scripture so delivered, our faith is finally resolved.
( Matthew 22:29, 31, 32; Ephesians 2:20; Acts 28:23)
No....life from the dead has to be upfront on any chronology.
God has planned and purposed to save a multitude of dead sinners.
This itself indicates life from the dead must preclude any activity coming from the dead sinner.
I do not think it is like a person stands with a stopwatch and goes, okay, regeneration just happened at 9.02m now sanctification at 9.04
I think of it more like turning a light switch, you get quickened from death /to life, darkness/light. You are regenerated, and then all that you inherit gradually unfolds as is spoken of in scripture.
I agree with this.
One millisecond your dead in trespasses and sin and the next you are reborn all at once. One has to be regenerated to be able to believe.
Grace and peace to you.
Consecrated Life
Member
Can you name a dead sinner in scripture that had this happen to them the way you say does ?
The Conversion of Saul
Acts 9:1-19 Now Saul, still breathing threats and murder against the disciples of the Lord, went to the high priest, 2 and asked for letters from him to the synagogues at Damascus, so that if he found any belonging to the Way, both men and women, he might bring them bound to Jerusalem. 3 And as he was traveling, it happened that when he was approaching Damascus, suddenly a light from heaven flashed around him; 4 and falling to the ground, he heard a voice saying to him, “Saul, Saul, why are you persecuting Me?” 5 And he said, “Who are You, Lord?” And He said, “I am Jesus whom you are persecuting, 6 but rise up and enter the city, and it will be told you what you must do.” 7 And the men who traveled with him stood speechless, hearing the voice but seeing no one. 8 And Saul got up from the ground, and though his eyes were open, he could see nothing. Leading him by the hand, they brought him into Damascus. 9 And he was three days without sight, and neither ate nor drank. 10 Now there was a disciple at Damascus named Ananias, and the Lord said to him in a vision, “Ananias.” And he said, “Here I am, Lord.” 11 And the Lord said to him, “Rise up and go to the street called Straight, and inquire at the house of Judas for a man from Tarsus named Saul, for behold, he is praying, 12 and he has seen in a vision a man named Ananias come in and lay his hands on him, so that he might regain his sight.” 13 But Ananias answered, “Lord, I have heard from many about this man, how much harm he did to Your saints at Jerusalem. 14 “And here he has authority from the chief priests to bind all who call on Your name.” 15 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel; 16 for I will show him how much he must suffer for My name.” 17 So Ananias departed and entered the house. And he laid his hands on him and said, “Brother Saul, the Lord sent me—that is Jesus who appeared to you on the road by which you were coming—so that you may regain your sight and be filled with the Holy Spirit.” 18 And immediately there fell from his eyes something like scales, and he regained his sight, and he rose up and was baptized; 19 and he took food and was strengthened. Now for several days he was with the disciples who were at Damascus,
Consecrated Life
Member
Negative , Paul's heart transplant from God required boatloads of spiritual heavy lifting "ACTIVITY" on his part.
Iconoclast's opinion notwithstanding.
First Saul had to inquire to God:
: And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”
Secondly Saul had to choose to believe the Word Told to him:
:“I am Jesus"
Thirdly, Saul had to choose to follow God's instruction for his life:
:" it will be told you what you must do.”
You missed the point of the context.
Acts 9:15-16 But the Lord said to him, “Go, for he is a chosen instrument of Mine, to bear My name before the Gentiles and kings and the sons of Israel; 16 for I will show him how much he must suffer for My name.”
Grace and peace to you.
Yes.....Every sinner who God has saved. Do you mean something else?
He already called Him Lord.
No one calls Jesus Lord but by the Spirit.
Are you suggesting that he just was there as Stephen was being killed, then he just decided to choose?
How was he knocked to the ground?
Nothing happened.
In jn.3:5-11 Jesus describes born from above as the working of the Spirit in the unseen realm.
Are you suggesting it did not have to happen to Saul/Paul?
Let me guess,next you want to read Eph1 backwards....from vs.13, down to vs.3.
Believe first,then figure out election and predestination. Did I guess correctly?
Believe first,then figure out election and predestination. Did I guess correctly?
Consecrated Life
Member
You missed my context first .
The context I addressed was the alleged Divine requirement stated by Iconoclast, in answer to a question I had.
Iconoclast said:
"This itself indicates life from the dead must preclude any activity coming from the dead sinner."
We can certainly move along & discuss the predestination merits of Christ stating that Saul, is a chosen instrument of Mine, but lets reconcile first things first shall we ?
Thank You,
Back to the unsettled business of someone rationalizing how these responses from Saul to the Lord do not constitute "any activity " at all ?
First Saul had to inquire to God:
: And he said, “Who are You, Lord?”
Secondly Saul had to choose to believe the Word Told to him:
:“I am Jesus"
Thirdly, Saul had to choose to follow God's instruction for his life:
:" it will be told you what you must do.”
Consecrated Life
Member
" Lord " was term common to any devout Hebrew.
Long before Jesus came along .
Dorothy Mae
Member
I had to smile at the last line. This is so common it’s nauseating. The post itself will be full of venom or insisting God has made them sinless/perfect/prophetic and if you don’t accept this you’re an [insulting adjective] but ending it with “I love you” or “grace and peace to you.” It’s similar to the oft repeated claim that God has given them a new heart and if you don’t believe they now have the law of God written there you’re a [insulting adjective!]
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
God predestines for PURPOSE.
He does not predestine persons.