GodsGrace
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This has been my experience also.
The new heart doesn't work so well.
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Predestination
- Thread starter Iconoclast
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The new heart doesn't work so well.
His physical eyesight was taken away.
You think this did not get his attention?
He was killing Christians!
He gets knocked to the ground, he gets blinded,he hears Jesus from heaven...so you are suggesting he is somehow
thinking,I might just"choose" Jesus today,like that hymn,"I have decided to follow Jesus".
What are you thinking?
He probably feared for his life having been killing Christians.
The idea of....I might just have to"accept" Jesus today....let me sign a card with the date and time so I can remember when I saved myself is miles away from the reality of this text.
A direct denial of rom8:29-30
They will deny this and teach you what those verses really mean. You will be told you have it all wrong and maybe question if you are really saved.
Empty clouds.
Grace and peace to you.
Consecrated Life
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You really believe Paul was forced into heaven under threat ?His physical eyesight was taken away.
You think this did not get his attention?
He was killing Christians!
He gets knocked to the ground, he gets blinded,he hears Jesus from heaven...so you are suggesting he is somehow
I might just"choose" Jesus today,like that hymn,"I have decided to follow Jesus".
What are you thinking?
He probably feared for his life having been killing Christians.
The idea of....I might just have to"accept" Jesus today....let me sign a card with the date and time so I can remember when I saved myself is miles away from the reality of this text.
I will go with my description I posted.
GodsGrace
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What do you believe the bible teaches is predestined?
And do you agree with me that, basically, these words have the same outcome...
PREDESTINE
ORDAIN
DETERMNATE COUNSEL
DECREE
Only FOREKNOWLEDGE IS DIFFERENT.
Here is how I understand the difference to be:
If you predestine something, you cause it to happen from an earlier time, for a later time.
If you foreknow something...you know it will happen but you do not causes it to happen.
GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
Arienzo is not close to me.
It's east of Naples and slightly North.
If you look West of Naples, on the coast, you'll see a town called Pozzuoli.
Either Peter or Paul disembarked there. I think Paul.
D'Arienzo means FROM ARIENZO.
So if your name is Joe it would be Joe from Arienzo.
Cool.
What ever is ordained to happen, will certainly happen, but you did not cause it to happen
yes different.... you see it as looking forward, seeing what will happen, what action, what activity.
Biblically it is a selection of persons. I have posted this before...whom....not their actions whom
Anthony
Dorothy Mae
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Who caused what is ordained to happen?
If it’s in the future how else shall one see it?
What’s the selection?
wondering
What ever is ordained to happen, will certainly happen, but you did not cause it to happen
yes different.... you see it as looking forward, seeing what will happen, what action, what activity.
Biblically it is a selection of persons. I have posted this before...whom....not their actions whom
W......you seem to look at, but look past the difference...watch-
29 For whom he did foreknow, he also did predestinate
[the person, the individual] not the "action of the person"NOT God knowing what they would do, but the person themselves now know by God in saving love. He also did predestinate.
Do you see this? do not go past here!just focus....it is spoken of the same person...
to be conformed to the image of his Son, that he might be the firstborn among many brethren.
30 Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.
Second causes....Dorothy....Job was attacked by satan....It was ordained to happen as it did.Who did it Satan.
Dorothy Mae
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God doesn’t ordain Satans activities.
My grandfather was from Naples, His daughter [my Aunt] married a Sicilian.[uncle vinny]..
He accused him of not being a real Italian,lol...he would curse him out in Italian[ he did not profess faith]
I think he meant it jokingly..I think he liked him. It was mostly during bocce or pinnocle.
Dorothy...yes he does, or they could not come to pass.
Whatever is ordained to come to pass does come to pass.
God does not make, force, push, satan to be the opposer. Satan does that all by himself.
That is why there is no redemption for fallen angels.
Evil exits Dorothy, but God is completely sovereign over it.
The bad thing is both are played here.
Bocce is actually quite hard. I have played that been about thirty years.
The other I saw signs usually with older retired new yorkers who lived near me that formed clubs .
The Italian American club ,im surprised they didn't have that .if they do I haven't heard of it. They usually have the Italian day with pasta served.
I ate at an Italian ristorante last week .
My wife likes anti pasto salads. My dad,deceased,loved Italian food .veal and eggplant parmesan.
But I digress
From the problem of evil. W.R. Downing
THE MYSTERY OF EVIL The existence of evil in the universe of a righteous and holy God is a great mystery, yet the Scriptures reveal that God has determined all things and this must include sin. To deny or seek to circumvent this would bring God down to the level of the finite and leave evil as an inexplicable mystery existing in opposition to God in a dualistic sense. This is certainly unsatisfactory. I. Howard Marshall, a New Testament scholar, seeks to do this because of his Arminian assumptions concerning God and the nature of evil: The Bible is clear that God is not the author of evil. Its origin is and perhaps must be a mystery. Its evilness lies in its lack of good purpose, and thus in its irrationality and opposition to the purpose of God. How it can have come to exist in a universe created by God is unknowable. We must be content to leave the question unresolved. The Calvinist falls into error when he ascribes the reason why some people are not saved to the decretive will of God; in effect, he is trying to explain evil. It is wiser to locate the reason why some people are not saved in the sheer mystery of evil.4 DIVINE SOVEREIGNTY That God is absolutely sovereign over all things, even evil, and uses such for his purpose and glory, is a scriptural fact: “I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the Lord do all these things.” (Isa. 45:7).5 God sent an evil spirit between the men of Shechem and Abimelech (Judg. 9:23–24). He sent an evil spirit to obsess King Saul (1 Sam. 16:14; 18:10; 19:9). He brought evil upon Israel for her sins (1 Kgs. 9:9). A lying spirit was sent by God to lead Ahab to his defeat and death (1 Kgs. 22:20–23). The Lord appointed the defeat of Ahithophel’s counsel that he might bring evil upon Absolom (2 Sam. 17:14). God turned the hearts of the Egyptians to hate the Israelites (Ps. 105:25). The greatest crime in history—the illegality of the trial, the abuse, shame, suffering, and death of the Son of God with all its attendant sin on the part of men—was predetermined by God (Lk. 22:22; Acts 2:23; 4:27–28). How can God do these things and yet remain holy, righteous and free from sin? The issues are two: the origin of sin and the problem of evil.
wondering
[IF God chooses who will be saved, what would be the reason for Jesus to die?]
To pay for the sins of the sheep. Once elected the sins have to be paid for.
[I don't believe babies are born in sin.]
you are wrong on this...All sinned at one point in time, that was the fall
[Babies are NOT born with any sin.]
All sinned and died in Adam...a biblical fact and reality rom3:23
[They are not capable of committing sin and they are not IMPUTED with Adam's sin.]
The bible teaches it, it is undeniable; rom5:12-21
[We are only responsible for our own sins.]
no...all will pay for sins they have committed but we all died in Adam
[IF God chooses who will be saved, what would be the reason for Jesus to die?]
To pay for the sins of the sheep. Once elected the sins have to be paid for.
[I don't believe babies are born in sin.]
you are wrong on this...All sinned at one point in time, that was the fall
[Babies are NOT born with any sin.]
All sinned and died in Adam...a biblical fact and reality rom3:23
[They are not capable of committing sin and they are not IMPUTED with Adam's sin.]
The bible teaches it, it is undeniable; rom5:12-21
[We are only responsible for our own sins.]
no...all will pay for sins they have committed but we all died in Adam
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GodsGrace
CF Ambassador
I'm having a serious discussion with you.
If you're going to laugh at the comments electedbyhim makes,
it makes me feel like you're not taking this conversation seriously.
Please make up your mind - I don't have a lot of time to spare but
I feel this is really important.
Consecrated Life
Member
Right, and that could be interpreted as not being under threat in what alternate universe?
"He probably feared for his life having been killing Christians." (Iconoclast)