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The New Covenant was established at the cross. The Old Covenant - obsoleted by the New - remained in effect until Jerusalem and its Temple were destroyed.
It doesn't get any simpler than that.
The old covenant was replaced by the new and became obsolete at the Cross. The old Covenant shadows and types that point to Christ and were fulfilled by Christ became the New Covenant.
A study of the word new would clear up your confusion in this matter.
It is finished!
Simple as that!
JLB
"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Matthew 5:18 (NASB)
Did heaven and earth pass away at the cross, too, or do you simply ignore what Christ had to say about it?
You use the phrase "Law" not me.
The Old Covenant is the Law!!! Or are you planning to rewrite almost 4,000 years of Jewish history, too?
Trying to define the old covenant as meaning it to be Heaven and earth shows just how far preterism will twist God's word.
For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.
Did Jesus Christ fulfill all the Law or not?
Trying to define the old covenant as meaning it to be Heaven and earth shows just how far preterism will twist God's word.
Go back and reread that post until it you understand it.
And for those really interested in discussion rather than hysterical hand-waving, the Old Covenant established the children of Israel as God's holy ("set apart") people and put them in the land he promised Abraham. This land - with its capitol at Jerusalem - was the "heaven and earth" Jesus references in the gospels and John later references in Revelation 21.
The Old Covenant is not "heaven and earth." But the Old Covenant did establish the people on the "heaven and earth" God gave them after delivering them out of Egypt! Furthermore, one of the penalties for disobedience God promised them would be directed at their heaven and earth!
~'If also after these things you do not obey Me, then I will punish you seven times more for your sins. ~'I will also break down your pride of power; I will also make your sky [shamayim: heaven] like iron and your earth [erets: land] like bronze. ~'Your strength will be spent uselessly, for your land will not yield its produce and the trees of the land will not yield their fruit. Leviticus 26:18-20 (NASB)
So now, when we read:
"For truly I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest letter or stroke shall pass from the Law until all is accomplished. Matthew 5:18 (NASB)
You should understand what Jesus meant by this. The Law (Old Covenant) would not pass away until the "heaven and earth" God gave them had passed away. And their heaven and earth was represented by the Holy City and its Temple!
Such nuances of scripture are lost on some, however, who only seek to defend a doctrine rather than seek the truth.
What you call a nuance, Peter called twisting God's word.Such nuances of scripture are lost on some, however, who only seek to defend a doctrine rather than seek the truth.
What you call a nuance, Peter called twisting God's word.
You are as you accuse.
Peter's letter actually supports Jesus's words in Matthew 5:18, and that view is the one I have laid out now twice!
The heavens and earth are different for, and so peculiar to, each religious culture. They represent various divine ideals and their application through religious doctrine and ritual, all in an effort to gain favor with their respective interpretation of the divine. Human history is that in which God has consistantly judged and eliminated these insufficient falsehoods while revealing the truth of the matter to us through various means culminating in the earthy life of His Son Jesus. It should therefore be no surprise that the heavens and earth of malignant first century Judaism were destroyed as described in the NT, just as the heavens and earth of 6th century BC Babylon were destroyed long before as described in the OT.
sheesh they are other verses that support the redemption the whole earth. that is found in romans 8, and also in isiah. one can use both terms . i do
see what i posted elsewhere. well when dont believe that the jews then taught heaven and earth met in jerusalem? ah yes the gentiles that cant speak hebrew nor really care to bother with the sages just so happen to know more them jews that were raised in the temple.
even my dad who was bar mitzvahed would agree. god met man and DWELT in that temple. nah he didnt tell them that if they repented or built it he wouldnt dwell there. ah yes he did and the sages before christ believe that to be the messiah and the knew way of the temple. ie a fleshly one. i said i take it both ways.
new heavens and earth is a restoration. i have answered you in the futurism and temple. good look explaining to me why YOU must do the shabat and the torah.