Question about Daniel 9

[JLB]

really, unsaved such as these

http://www.kabbalaonline.org/kabbalah/article_cdo/aid/472745/jewish/Index-of-Sages.htm

cough, abraham, david, and joel? ezra, ezekiel. shall i go on? those unsaved sages and one of them is quoted by peter in acts 2. where is the modern day edom? where is modern day egypt when jesus will come on a cloud to them and not the whole earth? how many returns do you futurist have. i dont even like the kabbalah , i do use some of the concepts and many here do. one admin did.

you might want to learn something on judiasm, and that blindess that paul speaks about. i see it far more then you.did i make it clear that i see a new age and that is to come but it also can me what hitch and et all are saying. hmm the blood started the redemptive way for the world and that will come when the lord returns.

do you or do you not believe that law will return per that unsaved sage ezekiel.

if you dont why? its plain as day. but i guess that justin martyr a christian also didnt agree with you either. he didnt believe in sin when christ returns.

More references to the Kabalah, NO Scripture!

Impressive.

The Law is awesome. Judaism on the other hand is a man made religion.

 

[jasoncran]

fine,
but is judaism a man made religion? why then did jesus refer to a talmudic tradition of wedding feast and compare it to his return? hmm and john the baptist as well with the lord coming the first time?

but in this new heavens and earth theres this

forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed

the righteous dying. and sinners stil alive though cursed. pray tell if that is literally part of this new age then what do mean that peter cant be meaning the removal isreal and new age of the church? you do take that new heaven and new earth literal dont you? i do.

 

[JLB]

fine,
but is judaism a man made religion? why then did jesus refer to a talmudic tradition of wedding feast and compare it to his return? hmm and john the baptist as well with the lord coming the first time?

but in this new heavens and earth theres this



the righteous dying. and sinners stil alive though cursed. pray tell if that is literally part of this new age then what do mean that peter cant be meaning the removal isreal and new age of the church? you do take that new heaven and new earth literal dont you? i do.

I'm sure if you read enough commentary your likely to believe anything.

He answered and said to them, "Why do you also transgress the commandment of God because of your tradition?


Was John's Baptism from heaven or from men?


Man, if you can't understand when Peter is speaking literal from a plain passage where he qualifies what he says as literal using literal events of the past and associates them with a future destruction of the earth by fire, then you are certainly not qualified to determine if scripture is symbolic or literal.


JLB

 

[jasoncran]

who said that i didnt. i make it clear that it can be both! that he is speaking to the jews then that will see the events of ad 70 and those that will be here and alive when the flood but if you must ignore my question on this new age with isreal there and sabbaths and death the you pick and choose what is literal.i dont. the heavens and the earth are jewish thought.

the heaveanlies are in the temple and aslo seen by ezekiel and daniel and john. moses laid out the tabernacle and the tribes in that fashion. its called revalation of Lord Jesus christ as book because that is what it is.

so i ask again. if isiah is right and its your way what does God mean by this sinner living accursed a hundred years when the curse has been finished? its clearly stated here.

isiah 65

17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed

in fact i will quote the whole thing

King James Version (KJV)
65 I am sought of them that asked not for me; I am found of them that sought me not: I said, Behold me, behold me, unto a nation that was not called by my name.
2 I have spread out my hands all the day unto a rebellious people, which walketh in a way that was not good, after their own thoughts;
3 A people that provoketh me to anger continually to my face; that sacrificeth in gardens, and burneth incense upon altars of brick;
4 Which remain among the graves, and lodge in the monuments, which eat swine's flesh, and broth of abominable things is in their vessels;
5 Which say, Stand by thyself, come not near to me; for I am holier than thou. These are a smoke in my nose, a fire that burneth all the day.
6 Behold, it is written before me: I will not keep silence, but will recompense, even recompense into their bosom,
7 Your iniquities, and the iniquities of your fathers together, saith the Lord, which have burned incense upon the mountains, and blasphemed me upon the hills: therefore will I measure their former work into their bosom.
8 Thus saith the Lord, As the new wine is found in the cluster, and one saith, Destroy it not; for a blessing is in it: so will I do for my servants' sakes, that I may not destroy them all.
9 And I will bring forth a seed out of Jacob, and out of Judah an inheritor of my mountains: and mine elect shall inherit it, and my servants shall dwell there.
10 And Sharon shall be a fold of flocks, and the valley of Achor a place for the herds to lie down in, for my people that have sought me.
11 But ye are they that forsake the Lord, that forget my holy mountain, that prepare a table for that troop, and that furnish the drink offering unto that number.
12 Therefore will I number you to the sword, and ye shall all bow down to the slaughter: because when I called, ye did not answer; when I spake, ye did not hear; but did evil before mine eyes, and did choose that wherein I delighted not.
13 Therefore thus saith the Lord God, Behold, my servants shall eat, but ye shall be hungry: behold, my servants shall drink, but ye shall be thirsty: behold, my servants shall rejoice, but ye shall be ashamed:
14 Behold, my servants shall sing for joy of heart, but ye shall cry for sorrow of heart, and shall howl for vexation of spirit.
15 And ye shall leave your name for a curse unto my chosen: for the Lord God shall slay thee, and call his servants by another name:
16 That he who blesseth himself in the earth shall bless himself in the God of truth; and he that sweareth in the earth shall swear by the God of truth; because the former troubles are forgotten, and because they are hid from mine eyes.
17 For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
18 But be ye glad and rejoice for ever in that which I create: for, behold, I create Jerusalem a rejoicing, and her people a joy.
19 And I will rejoice in Jerusalem, and joy in my people: and the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, nor the voice of crying.
20 There shall be no more thence an infant of days, nor an old man that hath not filled his days: for the child shall die an hundred years old; but the sinner being an hundred years old shall be accursed.
21 And they shall build houses, and inhabit them; and they shall plant vineyards, and eat the fruit of them.
22 They shall not build, and another inhabit; they shall not plant, and another eat: for as the days of a tree are the days of my people, and mine elect shall long enjoy the work of their hands.
23 They shall not labour in vain, nor bring forth for trouble; for they are the seed of the blessed of the Lord, and their offspring with them.
24 And it shall come to pass, that before they call, I will answer; and while they are yet speaking, I will hear.
25 The wolf and the lamb shall feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the bullock: and dust shall be the serpent's meat. They shall not hurt nor destroy in all my holy mountain, saith the Lord.

death isnt done away with in this new age of yours? so it cant be your way. this doesnt affect me at all. for when i mean new heaven and earth its from this verse

But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
9 The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance.
10 But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.
11 Seeing then that all these things shall be dissolved, what manner of persons ought ye to be in all holy conversation and godliness,
12 Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God, wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat?
13 Nevertheless we, according to his promise, look for new heavens and a new earth, wherein dwelleth righteousness.
14 Wherefore, beloved, seeing that ye look for such things, be diligent that ye may be found of him in peace, without spot, and blameless.
15 And account that the longsuffering of our Lord is salvation; even as our beloved brother Paul also according to the wisdom given unto him hath written unto you;
16 As also in all his epistles, speaking in them of these things; in which are some things hard to be understood, which they that are unlearned and unstable wrest, as they do also the other scriptures, unto their own destruction.
17 Ye therefore, beloved, seeing ye know these things before, beware lest ye also, being led away with the error of the wicked, fall from your own stedfastness.
18 But grow in grace, and in the knowledge of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ. To him be glory both now and for ever. Amen.

combine with matthew 25.

37 But as the days of Noah were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
38 For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark,
39 And knew not until the flood came, and took them all away; so shall also the coming of the Son of man be.
40 Then shall two be in the field; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
41 Two women shall be grinding at the mill; the one shall be taken, and the other left.
42 Watch therefore: for ye know not what hour your Lord doth come.
43 But know this, that if the goodman of the house had known in what watch the thief would come, he would have watched, and would not have suffered his house to be broken up.
44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.
45 Who then is a faithful and wise servant, whom his lord hath made ruler over his household, to give them meat in due season?
46 Blessed is that servant, whom his lord when he cometh shall find so doing.
47 Verily I say unto you, That he shall make him ruler over all his goods.
48 But and if that evil servant shall say in his heart, My lord delayeth his coming;
49 And shall begin to smite his fellowservants, and to eat and drink with the drunken;
50 The lord of that servant shall come in a day when he looketh not for him, and in an hour that he is not aware of,
51 And shall cut him asunder, and appoint him his portion with the hypocrites: there shall be weeping and gnashing of teeth.

you dont know when jesus says come and you die and are judged. many a believer are dead and sinners. god came for them. so in ad 70 that too is a valid warning and can be used for then and NOW. so please i never said i didnt take the flood as symbols i dont but i can see where hitch et all and why they say it.
uhm the schofield bible is where you get your ideas. its not from the ecf's they were divided.

 

[JLB]

who said that i didnt. i make it clear that it can be both! that he is speaking to the jews then that will see the events of ad 70 and those that will be here and alive when the flood but if you must ignore my question on this new age with isreal there and sabbaths and death the you pick and choose what is literal.i dont. the heavens and the earth are jewish thought.

the heaveanlies are in the temple and aslo seen by ezekiel and daniel and john. moses laid out the tabernacle and the tribes in that fashion. its called revalation of Lord Jesus christ as book because that is what it is.

so i ask again. if isiah is right and its your way what does God mean by this sinner living accursed a hundred years when the curse has been finished? its clearly stated here.

isiah 65



in fact i will quote the whole thing

death isnt done away with in this new age of yours? so it cant be your way. this doesnt affect me at all. for when i mean new heaven and earth its from this verse



combine with matthew 25.



you dont know when jesus says come and you die and are judged. many a believer are dead and sinners. god came for them. so in ad 70 that too is a valid warning and can be used for then and NOW. so please i never said i didnt take the flood as symbols i dont but i can see where hitch et all and why they say it.
uhm the schofield bible is where you get your ideas. its not from the ecf's they were divided.

uhm the schofield bible is where you get your ideas.

I don't read schofield. I'm not pretrib.

JLB

 

[jasoncran]

schofield is the origin of all them. pre trib and post trib and mid trib. with him there would be no concept of trib. darby pushed premil. sorry epic fail. you cant find your idea of a trib or any of that prior to the early 1800s. justin martyr mentions a chialism but nothing on your way.

he had NO sin in his, no idea of isreal doing as you say.the church as a whole in america never by large taught any type of third temple etc until the 1800's.
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=justin%20martyr%20dialogue%20with%20trypho&source=web&cd=1&cad=rja&sqi=2&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.earlychristianwritings.com%2Ftext%2Fjustinmartyr-dialoguetrypho.html&ei=xwF-UKvfJYbC9gT764DoDQ&usg=AFQjCNG7G4rJKNTo3GCwUgD3Ceb-sqcjYQ

he believed that the ac would reign 350 years, uhm so how does that work?

 

[jasoncran]

CHAPTER LXXXI -- HE ENDEAVOURS TO PROVE THIS OPINION FROM ISAIAH AND THE APOCALYPSE. "For Isaiah spake thus concerning this space of a thousand years: 'For there shall be the new heaven and the new earth, and the former shall not be remembered, or come into their heart; but they shall find joy and gladness in it, which things I create. For, Behold, I make Jerusalem a rejoicing, and My people a joy; and I shall rejoice over Jerusalem, and be glad over My I people. And the voice of weeping shall be no more heard in her, or the voice of crying. And there shall be no more there a person of immature years, or an old man who shall not fulfil his days. For the young man shall be an hundred years old; but the sinner who dies an hundred years old, he shall be accursed. And they shall build houses, and shall themselves inhabit them; and they shall plant vines, and shall themselves eat the produce of them, and drink the wine. They shall not build, and others inhabit; they shall not plant, and others eat. For according to the days of the tree of life shall be the days of my people; the works of their toil shall abound. Mine elect shall not toil fruitlessly, or beget children to be cursed; for they shall be a seed righteous and blessed by the Lord, and their offspring with them. And it shall come to pass, that before they call I will hear; while they are still speaking, I shall say, What is it? Then shall the wolves and the lambs feed together, and the lion shall eat straw like the ox; but the serpent[shall eat] earth as bread. They shall not hurt or maltreat each other on the holy mountain, i saith the Lord.' Now we have understood that the expression used among these words, 'According to the days of the tree[of life] shall be the days of my people; the works of their toil shall abound' obscurely predicts a thousand years. For as Adam was told that in the nay fie ate of the tree he would die, we know that he did not complete a thousand years. We have perceived, moreover, that the expression, 'The day of the Lord is as a thousand years,' is connected with this subject. And further, there was a certain man with us, whose name was John, one of the apostles of Christ, who prophesied, by a revelation that was made to him, that those who believed in our Christ would dwell a thousand years in Jerusalem; and that thereafter the general, and, in short, the eternal resurrection and judgment of all men would likewise take place. Just as our Lord also said, 'They shall neither marry nor be given in marriage, but shall be equal to the angels, the children of the God of the resurrection.'

his idea of the chialism is a bit different, before the ressurection of the saints.