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Question about Daniel 9

Eugene said:
I assume you are talking of the "Covenant with "many" of Daniel 9:27 and I do believe that...
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That is exactly what my first statement said when I mentioned that dispensationalist believe in the GAP, in which you then tried to correct me, but now you are admitting that you do believe in the GAP. Not all futurists believe Dan 9 teaches this GAP theory - this is particularly a dispensationalist doctrine. Confusing this has led many to seek alternative views, such as the errors of preterism.
 
Hitch said:
Hey if you ever need more time you can place a GAP between week one and two ... For that matter you can put in as many as you like,why not ?
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The scripture has the Gaps between the weeks as such -

"Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks...

7 weeks
62 weeks

Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

70th week


I am sorry you don't like or approve of the way the bible has arranged the time-frame of this prophecy.

17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations. Matthew 1:17

A Generation is 40 years.

Babylonian Captivity to Christ = 14 generations = 560 years
Time of Captivity = 70 years
560 -70 = 490 years

Gap between 7 weeks and 62 weeks = 40 years = 1 Generation

33 = Birth to “Palm Sundayâ€
490 - 40 = 450 years + 33 years “Birth†to Messiah the Prince 483 years = 69 weeks

[Messiah the Prince; Hosanna to the son of David]

JLB


 
Tri Unity said:
That is exactly what my first statement said when I mentioned that dispensationalist believe in the GAP, in which you then tried to correct me, but now you are admitting that you do believe in the GAP. Not all futurists believe Dan 9 teaches this GAP theory - this is particularly a dispensationalist doctrine. Confusing this has led many to seek alternative views, such as the errors of preterism.
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I must be reading you wrong then. When I say I do not believe in the gap, I am talking of a broken period in the 490 years of Daniel. I believe there were 490 consecutive years beginning in 444 BC and ending in 40 AD. I will state again that I believe in dispensations, and yet do not believe there was a gap in the 490 years. Those who believe the 70th week of Daniel is the first week of the tribulation are wrong in my thinking.
 
Why is the 70 subtracted . They were years they happened. Can you show me where God subtracts them?
 
reba said:
Why is the 70 subtracted . They were years they happened. Can you show me where God subtracts them?
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The 70th week is not subtracted.

The prophecy is structured so that we can see that there are 3 distinct time periods.

The 7 weeks.

The 62 weeks

The 70th week, which has not started yet.


The 70th week begins when a ruler with the authority to confirm a covenant with "many" [a reference to the 70 or Sanhedrin] for 1 week [70th].

This will allow the Jews to commence "sacrifice and offerings", But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

This time period is described throughout prophetic scripture as -

A time,times and a 1/2 a time.
42 months
1260 days

All pertaining to this last half of the 70th week. [7 years]

JLB
 
JLB said:
The 70th week is not subtracted.

The prophecy is structured so that we can see that there are 3 distinct time periods.

The 7 weeks.

The 62 weeks

The 70th week, which has not started yet.


The 70th week begins when a ruler with the authority to confirm a covenant with "many" [a reference to the 70 or Sanhedrin] for 1 week [70th].

This will allow the Jews to commence "sacrifice and offerings", But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

This time period is described throughout prophetic scripture as -

A time,times and a 1/2 a time.
42 months
1260 days

All pertaining to this last half of the 70th week. [7 years]

JLB
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Christ rendered the sacrifices obsolete.
 
What date? Was the 70th week finished 3.5 years after Christ's death?

I missed this part.

What date? I dont know

Was the 70th week finished 3.5 years after Christ's death?

Give or take .
 
Hitch said:
Christ rendered the sacrifices obsolete.
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Christ rendered the worship of other gods a sin.

People still do it.

The Jews are in the process of building another Temple in spite of the fact that Jesus Christ was the final sacrifice.

Read about it here -

http://www.templeinstitute.org/


They reject Jesus as the Messiah and will proceed with the construction of this new Temple.

They will get "their" messiah.


JLB
 
Hitch said:
What date? Was the 70th week finished 3.5 years after Christ's death?

I missed this part.

What date? I dont know

Was the 70th week finished 3.5 years after Christ's death?

Give or take .
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Ok. When did the events of verse 26 take place..., when was the city destroyed? Did this take place 3.5 years after Christ died, or was this at 70 AD?

Daniel 9:26 â€And after three score and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and to the end of the war desolations are determined.â€
 
JLB said:
Christ rendered the worship of other gods a sin.
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No it was always a sin ,long before Christ was born
People still do it.

The Jews are in the process of building another Temple in spite of the fact that Jesus Christ was the final sacrifice.

Read about it here -
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So what?
http://www.templeinstitute.org/


They reject Jesus as the Messiah and will proceed with the construction of this new Temple.

They will get "their" messiah.


JLB
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Unbelieving jews are antichristian presently, no more or less than Muslims,Mormons who also construct buildings dedicated to denying Christ.
 
Hitch said:
What date? Was the 70th week finished 3.5 years after Christ's death?

I missed this part.

What date? I dont know

Was the 70th week finished 3.5 years after Christ's death?

Give or take .
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One of the purposes of the 70 weeks is - To seal up vision and prophecy,

There are prophecies yet to be fulfilled.

The prophecies concerning the return of Jesus Christ and surrounding events will be fulfilled during the 7 years of the 70th week.

Furthermore the 69th week ended on "Palm Sunday" before the passover.

25 "Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks; The street shall be built again, and the wall, Even in troublesome times.

69th week ended.

The events of verse 26 have a time span of more than 40 years -

26 "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. The end of it shall be with a flood, And till the end of the war desolations are determined.



  • "And after the sixty-two weeks Messiah shall be cut off, but not for Himself; 33 AD

  • And the people of the prince who is to come Shall destroy the city and the sanctuary. 70 AD
Note that the prophecy is still running in 70 AD, which is much more than 7 years after the 69th week ended.


Now in verse 27 we see the 70th week come into view at some point after 70 AD.


27 Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering. And on the wing of abominations shall be one who makes desolate, Even until the consummation, which is determined, Is poured out on the desolate."



The 70th week comes after the 69th, yet wee see from the structure of this prophetic word the 70th week is after 70 AD.




JLB
 
JLB said:
The scripture has the Gaps between the weeks as such -

"Know therefore and understand, That from the going forth of the command To restore and build Jerusalem Until Messiah the Prince, There shall be seven weeks and sixty-two weeks...

7 weeks
62 weeks

Then he shall confirm a covenant with many for one week; But in the middle of the week He shall bring an end to sacrifice and offering.

70th week


I am sorry you don't like or approve of the way the bible has arranged the time-frame of this prophecy.

17 So all the generations from Abraham to David are fourteen generations, from David until the captivity in Babylon are fourteen generations, and from the captivity in Babylon until the Christ are fourteen generations. Matthew 1:17

A Generation is 40 years.

Babylonian Captivity to Christ = 14 generations = 560 years
Time of Captivity = 70 years
560 -70 = 490 years

Gap between 7 weeks and 62 weeks = 40 years = 1 Generation

33 = Birth to “Palm Sundayâ€
490 - 40 = 450 years + 33 years “Birth†to Messiah the Prince 483 years = 69 weeks

[Messiah the Prince; Hosanna to the son of David]

JLB
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560 -70 = 490 years Here from your post you subtract 70 years correct?
so again i ask why..? below is my question

Why is the 70 (I should have put the word years here) subtracted . They were years they happened. Can you show me where God subtracts them?
 
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