Rapture to heaven in 1 Thess. 4

[MisterE]

The time is very near to be elected the next and last Pope, then will begin the process that will culminate with the the beginning of the last week, week 70th of Daniel 9:27.

I guess it is human nature to want to know the date of the Rapture. But this next Pope may not be the last Pope. The Rapture could be a hundred years away. Just stay ready so you don't have to get ready. We don't need to presume that the Rapture is right around the corner. It may be a long time away.

 

[for_his_glory]

if you must know .....you really don't know what you are talking about. please stay out of the book Revelation

Maybe you need to get into the book of Revelation and cross reference what John is given in these visions with the prophecy given in the OT, what was fulfilled by Christ already in the NT and that of which must come first before the return of Christ Jesus as it seems you have no clue.

What is your understanding of the Rapture theory and please use the scriptures for your support.

 

[locust]

Maybe you need to get into the book of Revelation and cross reference what John is given in these visions with the prophecy given in the OT, what was fulfilled by Christ already in the NT and that of which must come first before the return of Christ Jesus as it seems you have no clue.

What is your understanding of the Rapture theory and please use the scriptures for your support.

the problem with the Rapture theory, you want to believe every one gets Raptured. that simply not going to happen. ,if, if any get taken up it would be the elect ,only the elect .
all others that receive a resurrection live here on earth. if they do not live to a set of standards set by the kingdom .( BTW you may of prayed for that kingdom to come to earth as it is in heaven ). expect them to die ,that death of them is their destruction .

 

[for_his_glory]

the problem with the Rapture theory, you want to believe every one gets Raptured. that simply not going to happen. ,if, if any get taken up it would be the elect ,only the elect .
all others that receive a resurrection live here on earth. if they do not live to a set of standards set by the kingdom .( BTW you may of prayed for that kingdom to come to earth as it is in heaven ). expect them to die ,that death of them is their destruction .

If you have read any of my postings in this thread you would see I do not believe in a pretrib Rapture of the Church. You know nothing of me and what Spiritual knowledge I have been given by the Holy Spirit.

Let me ask you, why do you not use scripture to back up your statements?

 

[locust]

If you have read any of my postings in this thread you would see I do not believe in a pretrib Rapture of the Church. You know nothing of me and what Spiritual knowledge I have been given by the Holy Spirit.

Let me ask you, why do you not use scripture to back up your statements?

not wanting to be hurtful in any way. but if ya have Spiritual knowledge I'd think you would know ''Rapture of the Church'' is not in the bible.that and the word is Trinity. when ya get right down to it many bibles don't even have the word ''church'' in them

 

[for_his_glory]

not wanting to be hurtful in any way. but if ya have Spiritual knowledge I'd think you would know ''Rapture of the Church'' is not in the bible.that and the word is Trinity. when ya get right down to it many bibles don't even have the word ''church'' in them

Do you even read what others post or are you just opinionated ignoring what I already told you. One more time, I do not believe in a pretrib Rapture that is found nowhere in scripture as the scriptures call it a catching up of those who are God's own when Christ returns on the last day after the tribulations that are to come during the 3 1/2 years of the reign of the son of perdition, 1Thessalonians 4:13-18, Matthew 24:29-31; 36-39; 2Thessalonians 2:1-12.

The word "church" is not found in the OT as it did not exist yet, but is found 120 times in the NT (KJV). The first time is found in Matthew 16:18.

 

[MisterE]

what Spiritual knowledge I have been given by the Holy Spirit.

What exactly does that mean? Does the Holy Spirit give you knowledge that is not in the Bible?

ot wanting to be hurtful in any way. but if ya have Spiritual knowledge I'd think you would know ''Rapture of the Church'' is not in the bible.

You have all heard that the word Rapture does not appear in the Bible. Nothing could be further from the truth. Let me show you the actual words Paul wrote in 1 Thess 4:17:
ἔπειτα ἡμεῖς οἱ ζῶντες οἱ περιλειπόμενοι ἅμα σὺν αὐτοῖς ἁρπαγησόμεθα ἐν νεφέλαις εἰς ἀπάντησιν τοῦ κυρίου εἰς ἀέρα· καὶ οὕτως πάντοτε σὺν κυρίῳ ἐσόμεθα.18 Ὥστε παρακαλεῖτε ἀλλήλους ἐν τοῖς λόγοις τούτοις.
Do you see the word Rapture? It is right there is plain view. Let me do some translation of the words Paul wrote:
ἔπειτα Then ἡμεῖς we οἱ ζῶντες who are alive οἱ περιλειπόμενοι who are left
ἁρπαγησόμεθα. will be raptured...
There is the word Rapture used by Paul.
What most critics mean when they say the word 'rapture' does not appear in the Bible, they really mean the word rapture is not translated in any English translation. Don't be fooled. Don't let them say Rapture does not appear in the 'Bible.' Remind them that Paul wrote the word raptured in 1 Thess 4:17. The Koine Greek word for rapture is ἁρπαγησόμεθα. So, the word Rapture is found in all Greek manuscripts of 1 Thess. This is not nit picking, this is just letting the critic use a translation, like the KJV or NIV, in stead of the BIBLE. It is important to communicate this. Remember, the critic is relying on a Translation of the Bible, not the Bible itself. All serious scholars use the Greek Bible, not a Translation into another language.
You not only know now that Rapture appears in the Bible, in fact, you have seen it.