Regaining Salvation...

[Cygnus]

How many times can a christian lose then regain their salvation?

I asked this question in a previous post, but. it wasn't answered.

The question wasn't if you could or couldn't lose your salvation...so don't go there. I would like this thread to last past 43 replies.

 

[Eugene]

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Hi Brother Cygnus, I have no idea as to your wanting forty-three posts but the word "Salvation" has different contexts.
If you call on the name of the Lord you will be saved.
Once born of God we have eternal life and are delivered from the penalty of sin forever.
There remains our spiritual walk as we learn to overcome the habit and dominion of sin; working out our salvation.
Then comes the glorious day when we are delivered from the very presence of sin in Jesus' presence.

What can we lose in our quest for Christ's best for our lives? As to the ongoing judgment seat of Christ, can we move from one state of our salvation by repentance to a better place in the kingdom of heaven? I'm not sure of your meaning and await your direction.
2 Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

 

[Jim Parker]

I asked this question in a previous post, but. it wasn't answered.

Here's a hint:
Mat 18:21 Then Peter came up and said to him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?"
Mat 18:22 Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.

Iakov the fool 2

 

[JLB]

How many times can a christian lose then regain their salvation?

I asked this question in a previous post, but. it wasn't answered.

The question wasn't if you could or couldn't lose your salvation...so don't go there. I would like this thread to last past 43 replies.

Brother, a person receives salvation [in reality] at the end of their faith.

IOW if you still have faith for salvation, then by default you don't have salvation, but rather you have the hope of salvation.

That is what faith is: the substance of the thing hoped for... the evidence of things not seen.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1

Again, if you still have faith, then by default, you have the substance of the thing [salvation] you are hoping for.


Paul explained it this way, using the language of faith for salvation.

24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. Romans 8:24-25

What the devil is after is your faith. His job is to get you to stop believing in Jesus Christ.

21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister. Colossians 1:21-23


The hope of the Gospel, is the salvation of your soul.

The way we obtain this salvation is to continue in the faith... steadfast to the end.

Because at the end of your faith, you will receive the salvation of your soul.

The devil has raised up an army of those who will tell you don't need to continue in the faith, or that you can stop believing because you have eternal life the moment you believe and you can't ever lose it. OSAS.



JLB

 

[reba]

How many times can a christian lose then regain their salvation?

I asked this question in a previous post, but. it wasn't answered.

The question wasn't if you could or couldn't lose your salvation...so don't go there. I would like this thread to last past 43 replies.

as many times as we mess up and repent

 

[Cygnus]

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Hi Brother Cygnus, I have no idea as to your wanting forty-three posts but the word "Salvation" has different contexts.
If you call on the name of the Lord you will be saved.
Once born of God we have eternal life and are delivered from the penalty of sin forever.
There remains our spiritual walk as we learn to overcome the habit and dominion of sin; working out our salvation.
Then comes the glorious day when we are delivered from the very presence of sin in Jesus' presence.

What can we lose in our quest for Christ's best for our lives? As to the ongoing judgment seat of Christ, can we move from one state of our salvation by repentance to a better place in the kingdom of heaven? I'm not sure of your meaning and await your direction.
2 Jn 1:8 Look to yourselves, that we lose not those things which we have wrought, but that we receive a full reward.
1Co 3:14 If any man's work abide which he hath built thereupon, he shall receive a reward.
1Co 3:15 If any man's work shall be burned, he shall suffer loss: but he himself shall be saved; yet so as by fire.

Eugene, I believe OSAS....That isn't what I want to discuss. What I'm asking is for the non-OSAS sect to tell us how many times we can lose and regain salvation.

Jim Parker presented a verse..which I will address later.

 

[Cygnus]

as many times as we mess up and repent

YIKES....I don't want to follow that Jesus.
I'm assuming you mean messing up equals loss of salvation...and repenting equals regaining salvation.

 

[reba]

maybe if you explained exactly what you mean by salvation

 

[reba]

you follow a Jesus that say's dont care what you do now that you are saved

 

[reba]

as many times as we mess up and repent

I wonder what would have been King Davids eternity had he not repented

 

[Jim Parker]

For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. Romans 8:24-25

AH! Very good!
I hadn't seen that before.

On the other hand, part of our salvation has been accomplished and is absolutely assured: we will not stay physically dead. Christi destroyed the power of death and everyone, saint and sinner will be raised never to die (physically) again. Some will experience eternal life united with God in Christ (the rest of salvation) and some will experience the second death being eternally separated from God. (And from everyone else too, I think)

 

[Cygnus]

Here's a hint:
Mat 18:21 Then Peter came up and said to him, "Lord, how often shall my brother sin against me, and I forgive him? As many as seven times?"
Mat 18:22 Jesus said to him, "I do not say to you seven times, but seventy times seven.

Iakov the fool 2

Is this verse saying that everytime we sin we lose our salvation? When bouncing it off of my question in the OP "How many times can a christian lose then regain their salvation?" I have to think you are saying everytime we sin we lose our salvation.

 

[Cygnus]

maybe if you explained exactly what you mean by salvation

The typical born again if you die you go to heaven and not hell meaning.

 

[Cygnus]

you follow a Jesus that say's dont care what you do now that you are saved

Now you're presenting a strawman argument. Do you also believe every time you sin you lose your salvation?

 

[JLB]

AH! Very good!
I hadn't seen that before.

On the other hand, part of our salvation has been accomplished and is absolutely assured: we will not stay physically dead. Christi destroyed the power of death and everyone, saint and sinner will be raised never to die (physically) again. Some will experience eternal life united with God in Christ (the rest of salvation) and some will experience the second death being eternally separated from God. (And from everyone else too, I think)

In which we will receive this at His coming.

so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28



JLB

 

[FreeGrace]

I wonder what would have been King Davids eternity had he not repented

Great comment!!

We know exactly what his eternity would have been had he not repented. We have the story of King Saul, who he replaced, because of what Saul did, and didn't repent.

First, how he died:
1 Chron 10:13-14
13 So Saul died for his trespass which he committed against the LORD, because of the word of the LORD which he did not keep; and also because he asked counsel of a medium, making inquiry of it,
14 and did not inquire of the LORD. Therefore He killed him and turned the kingdom to David the son of Jesse.

Now, where he spends eternity:
2 Sam 28:19
“Moreover the LORD will also give over Israel along with you into the hands of the Philistines, therefore tomorrow you and your sons will be with me. Indeed the LORD will give over the army of Israel into the hands of the Philistines!”

I don't know how it could be stated more clearly as to where the disobedient believer will end up at the end of life on earth.

Even though God killed Saul (1 Chron 10:14) for his disobedience, he STILL joined Samuel in eternity.

 

[FreeGrace]

JLB said: ↑
For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. Romans 8:24-25

AH! Very good!
I hadn't seen that before.

This verse does NOT teach that one receives salvation at the end of their life, as he continues to claim. This verse is about eternity itself, which comes at the end of our lives on earth, not WHEN one gets saved.

There are verses that are very clear as to WHEN one actually IS saved and HAS eternal life.
Jesus said this in John 5:24 - “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who hears My word, and believes Him who sent Me, HAS eternal life, (present tense) and does not come into judgment, but has passed out of death into life.

On the other hand, part of our salvation has been accomplished and is absolutely assured: we will not stay physically dead. Christi destroyed the power of death and everyone, saint and sinner will be raised never to die (physically) again. Some will experience eternal life united with God in Christ (the rest of salvation) and some will experience the second death being eternally separated from God. (And from everyone else too, I think)

Amen!!

 

[chessman]

This verse does NOT teach that one receives salvation at the end of their life,

Correct.

24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. Romans 8:24-25

Also the "it" we wait for "with perserverance" (not without any perserveramce) that's red and underlined is not salvation (we were already saved) but rather our reserrection bodies.

Romans 8:23 (LEB) Not only this, but we ourselves also, having the first fruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves while we await eagerly our adoption, the redemption of our body. ​

Also note we already have "the first fruits", The Spirit. Now that's perserverance.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

In John 6:44, Jesus says, "No one can come to me unless the Father who sent me draws them, and I will raise them up at the last day."

If we are called to continually forgive, and God draws us to Him, possibly justvas continually, then it could be thought that God is giving us salvation repeatedly. Why would that be an issue? It says that God is patient so that no one will be lost, because he wants everyone to be able to be saved. A wonderful God who give salvation often, and rewards rightousness often, is the kind of hope and grace that keeps me going with hope, when I know I'm weak and when I fail against sin. That hope of reconsoulation is paired with Jesus's promie not to lose any that God has given Him. And that hope fight off the scary and divusive perdpective of not being a real christian.

 

[Jim Parker]

I have to think you are saying everytime we sin we lose our salvation.

Well, that is what confession and forgiveness is about.
But, no, I don't think we loose our salvation everything we sin. That could be 70 times 7 times a day!