Regaining Salvation...

[Cygnus]

Really? You don't think you can give a 100% effort to make your calling and election sure?
Then you do all that you can do and don't even think about making excuses about why you can't because somewhere it says that you absolutely CAN DO all things through Christ who strengthens you.

Sin just once.....and you haven't given 100%

 

[Douglas Summers]

How many times can a christian lose then regain their salvation?

I asked this question in a previous post, but. it wasn't answered.

The question wasn't if you could or couldn't lose your salvation...so don't go there. I would like this thread to last past 43 replies.

There is no such thing as losing salvation

How many times can a christian lose then regain their salvation?

I asked this question in a previous post, but. it wasn't answered.

The question wasn't if you could or couldn't lose your salvation...so don't go there. I would like this thread to last past 43 replies.

 

[JLB]

Where's your scriptural support?

2nd Cor 6:1 As God’s fellow workers, we urge you not to receive God’s grace in vain. 2 For He says: “In the time of favor I heard you, and in the day of salvation I helped you.” Behold, now is the time of favor; now is the day of salvation!

so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation. Hebrews 9:28


Again, if you still have faith, then by default, you have the substance of the thing [salvation] you are hoping for.

This is post # 4 -

Brother, a person receives salvation [in reality] at the end of their faith.

IOW if you still have faith for salvation, then by default you don't have salvation, but rather you have the hope of salvation.

That is what faith is: the substance of the thing hoped for... the evidence of things not seen.

Now faith is the substance of things hoped for, the evidence of things not seen. Hebrews 11:1

Again, if you still have faith, then by default, you have the substance of the thing [salvation] you are hoping for.


Paul explained it this way, using the language of faith for salvation.

24 For we were saved in this hope, but hope that is seen is not hope; for why does one still hope for what he sees? 25 But if we hope for what we do not see, we eagerly wait for it with perseverance. Romans 8:24-25

What the devil is after is your faith. His job is to get you to stop believing in Jesus Christ.

21 And you, who once were alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now He has reconciled 22 in the body of His flesh through death, to present you holy, and blameless, and above reproach in His sight— 23 if indeed you continue in the faith, grounded and steadfast, and are not moved away from the hope of the gospel which you heard, which was preached to every creature under heaven, of which I, Paul, became a minister. Colossians 1:21-23


The hope of the Gospel, is the salvation of your soul.

The way we obtain this salvation is to continue in the faith... steadfast to the end.

Because at the end of your faith, you will receive the salvation of your soul.

The devil has raised up an army of those who will tell you don't need to continue in the faith, or that you can stop believing because you have eternal life the moment you believe and you can't ever lose it. OSAS.


JLB

 

[JLB]

There is no such thing as losing salvation

Tell that to Lucifer, and also to the angels who sinned during the days of Noah.

For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 2 Peter 2:4

 

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[Douglas Summers]

How many times can a christian lose then regain their salvation?

I asked this question in a previous post, but. it wasn't answered.

The question wasn't if you could or couldn't lose your salvation...so don't go there. I would like this thread to last past 43 replies.

You can not ask a question and then throw out the TRUTH for something else. You can not lose Salvation, Period. Now, can a born again believer sin, Yes, but until he repents, he will have no fellowship with the Lord. He is still saved, but will smell like smoke when he meets the Lord (1 Cor. 3:9-23) You would have to be saved to understand salvation. It is a Supernatural creation that is a gift from God to those who believe. It is not a human action. The action part of man is to repent (when he hears the word of God). Many will hear the Gospel and the joy of it. But that is not salvation. (Matt. 13:1-23) Many may be sorry for the things the have done after heraing the Gospel, but being sorry is not salvation, but it can lead to Salvation. Salvation is the all inclisive word that covers all that God has done to save man. salvation includes: repentence, jutification, propitiation, regeneration, assurance, and all stand upon Christ who can not lie. For He ia able to save us to the uttermost. (Heb. 7:24-25) Please read the Scriptures.

 

[Jim Parker]

Sin just once.....and you haven't given 100%

That's false.
That's like saying a baby who's trying to learn to walk, if they fall just once, isn't giving 100%.
Failing is part of the experience of growth.
Show me someone who has never fallen and I'll show you someone who has never done anything.

 

[Not_Now.Soon]

Thanks for the response.
Keep in mind I don't believe one can lose their salvation...BUT...there are several here who do.
It is to them I ask....according to their "theology" how many times can one lose then regain their salvation.

I know who you nean the question for. I honestly don't know if salvation is able to be lost or not. In fact in your previous thread I made a perspective that is near another that was made in this thread.

It is a troubling thought about our salvation being able to be lost, or the salvation of a loved one never becoming saved. And somewhere in between those two thoughts is the bibical warning that not everyone who calls Jesus LORD is really His. And also there is the observed phemomon of people leaving their faith. Both are troubling aspects in our walks and our observations. In light of both who can really say if they really are saved, or if later they can lose it. A person has to conclude their salvation in spite of these obsetvations in order to be confidant in their hope.

Though there are many people here that have hopeful and encouraging words that salvation is permanent, along with hopeful and encouraging verses. There is also many warnings about holding fast to our faith, to continually repent and turn from sins, and parables that include the lost.

With that in mind I want to reiterate that we should take this discussion seriously and without an insincere approach. There are at least two thoughts for losing salvation. One is based on either continuing to sin, or at least not following Jesus. The other thought,is that a person who walks away from their faith are no longer rescued because of it. If either of these ways are true to be possible to lose our grace, then it's my hope and my answer that God will give us many many chances to turn back to Him. If neither perspective is true then take heart in that confidance and share it with those who are troubled. As well as those who with fear and trembling work out their faith and salvation before God. Be encouraging instead of demoralizing.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Thanks for the response.
Keep in mind I don't believe one can lose their salvation...BUT...there are several here who do.
It is to them I ask....according to their "theology" how many times can one lose then regain their salvation.

Hi Cygnus, I better understand why you asked the question now since you explained it's purpose. But nevertheless, my reply is true to those who do not believe or have assurance of God's gift to man.

 

[for_his_glory]

We can never lose our salvation no matter how many times we might stumble and fall as it was by faith through God's grace, Ephesians 2:8, that we first believed and when we first repented and turned back to God as we were then sealed by the Holy Spirit until the day of redemption, Ephesians 1:1-14; Ephesians Chapter 4. We are to continue to grow in faith as we draw closer to Christ through that of the Holy Spirit that has sealed us unto the day of redemption, Ephesians 1:1-14; Chapter 4, and teaches us all things for our Spiritual growth, John 14:26. We will stumble and fall at times, but yet Jesus is the author and finisher of our faith, Hebrews 12:1-3, that as long as we keep trusting in Him no matter what comes against us we will have finished our race here on earth and Salvation is ours on the day of redemption to all who will endure until the end of this former life, Matthew 24:13.

 

[Cygnus]

There is no such thing as losing salvation

I know.....that's why i ask the question. I haven't read all the post yet but so far none of the no-OSAS posters really answered the question.

 

[Cygnus]

That's false.
That's like saying a baby who's trying to learn to walk, if they fall just once, isn't giving 100%.
Failing is part of the experience of growth.
Show me someone who has never fallen and I'll show you someone who has never done anything.

So Jim Parker....how does it work? Does God have a scale in heaven that He puts all your good stuff on one side and then all of your sins on the other side...then see what way it tips?

 

[Cygnus]

I know who you nean the question for. I honestly don't know if salvation is able to be lost or not. In fact in your previous thread I made a perspective that is near another that was made in this thread.

It is a troubling thought about our salvation being able to be lost, or the salvation of a loved one never becoming saved. And somewhere in between those two thoughts is the bibical warning that not everyone who calls Jesus LORD is really His. And also there is the observed phemomon of people leaving their faith. Both are troubling aspects in our walks and our observations. In light of both who can really say if they really are saved, or if later they can lose it. A person has to conclude their salvation in spite of these obsetvations in order to be confidant in their hope.

Though there are many people here that have hopeful and encouraging words that salvation is permanent, along with hopeful and encouraging verses. There is also many warnings about holding fast to our faith, to continually repent and turn from sins, and parables that include the lost.

With that in mind I want to reiterate that we should take this discussion seriously and without an insincere approach. There are at least two thoughts for losing salvation. One is based on either continuing to sin, or at least not following Jesus. The other thought,is that a person who walks away from their faith are no longer rescued because of it. If either of these ways are true to be possible to lose our grace, then it's my hope and my answer that God will give us many many chances to turn back to Him. If neither perspective is true then take heart in that confidance and share it with those who are troubled. As well as those who with fear and trembling work out their faith and salvation before God. Be encouraging instead of demoralizing.

If your "continued" salvation is based upon ones "continuing to sin"...as you put it in your reply....then no one is saved. Everyone, that is ALL christians still sin.

 

[WIP]

WIP, that all sounds nice...BUT...I've never met a believer who can do what Jesus commands. What I do see is a lot of believers throwing it out there as something that MUST be accomplished to gain salvation. YET, those believer don't heed the warning the present.

It isn't intended to "sound nice." It is God's command and what you just wrote confirms what I'm talking about. OSAS teaching seems to suggest that since we are incapable of being perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect (ref. Matthew 5:48) we are released from even putting forth the effort. I believe rather that as Christians our responsibility to follow His commands are even more imperative. We are to do the works and follow His commands because it is our duty to do so (ref. Luke 17:10) not so to be saved but for what He has already done on our behalf because in the end God, by His grace, will decide who will or will not be saved.

 

[Cygnus]

It isn't intended to "sound nice." It is God's command and what you just wrote confirms what I'm talking about. OSAS teaching seems to suggest that since we are incapable of being perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect (ref. Matthew 5:48) we are released from even putting forth the effort. I believe rather that as Christians our responsibility to follow His commands are even more imperative. We are to do the works and follow His commands because it is our duty to do so (ref. Luke 17:10) not so to be saved but for what He has already done on our behalf because in the end God, by His grace, will decide who will or will not be saved.

I doubt you could find one believer in OSAS who says...."since we are incapable of being perfect as our heavenly Father is perfect (ref. Matthew 5:48) we are released from even putting forth the effort".

To be honest I'm getting tired of that strawmanish argument.

But I have noticed this,,,not one non-OSAS believer can tell us how far from Gods perfection we can go inorder to lose ones salvation.

 

[Jim Parker]

So Jim Parker....how does it work? Does God have a scale in heaven that He puts all your good stuff on one side and then all of your sins on the other side...then see what way it tips?

It's really quite simple.
(1) Pursue holiness.
(2) Never give up.

 

[Douglas Summers]

Tell that to Lucifer, and also to the angels who sinned during the days of Noah.

For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 2 Peter 2:4

• Think about this: Angels were already in the presence of God, and of His creation.
• They were not a creation or creatures that needed saved or salvation
• They were not tempted by sin, but rebelled against a Holy position that they were created in
• Angels never felt the results of sin bodily, physically or mentally, but in fact, created an environment for sin to exist as a counter to God's nature. (pride to be the object of worship above God)
• It was for that purpose God created man in a corruptible body, that it might feel what sin does ( Rom. 8:14-39) to what started out as perfect start (or planted seed) (1 Cor. 13:35-58) to qualify for eternal life through the refiners fire. Teaching man that who God is. If you will notice, every name by which God is called by in Scripture is progressive by the etymology of His names to teach man He is a personal God to His creation.

• Girl allegedly raped, murdered and dismembered by family members on her 10th birthday AOL. news
  
  • • Mom Shot As She Wheeled Newborn in Stroller Past a School
  • And the list goes on!
    Police get major break in case of murdered nuns
    Just two days after the bodies of two Mississippi nuns were discovered in their joint home, officials have arrested and charged a suspect.
  
  
  The absence of God and the influence of Satan! Satan would not repent, that is who he is!

 

[JLB]

They were not tempted by sin, but rebelled against a Holy position that they were created in

Angels who were cast down to hell because they sinned, were tempted to sin, by the lust of the eyes.

4 For if God did not spare the angels who sinned, but cast them down to hell and delivered them into chains of darkness, to be reserved for judgment; 5 and did not spare the ancient world, but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the ungodly; 2 Peter 2:4-5


Likewise, Lucifer was created perfect in his ways... until he sinned.

“You were the anointed cherub who covers;
I established you;
You were on the holy mountain of God;
You walked back and forth in the midst of fiery stones.
You were perfect in your ways from the day you were created,
Till iniquity was found in you.
“By the abundance of your trading
You became filled with violence within,
And you sinned; Ezekiel 28:14-15


JLB

 

[JLB]

Everyone, that is ALL christians still sin.

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9

 

[Cygnus]

If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
1 John 1:9

Lets look fore and aft....

8If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. 9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.10 If we say we have not sinned, we make Him out to be a liar, and His word is not in us.

Here's why your theology sends people to hell.
If we confess our sins...we get forgiven.
BUT, you haven't confessed all of your sins...this means you are not forgiven for those unconfessed sins and will be sent to hell.