Resurrections

[warhorse]

not really. i do believe in the ac, and the seven yr trib before buying the dake study bible. i was wanting to back that up better on my own and to see what the bible does support not some cherry picked verses that support a doctrine.

Good idea, but go straight to the source. I would recommend no study bible at all just you and the holy spirit, start with Romans and Hebrews then go back to Genesis - lev then Isaiah to micah then all of the NT. The study of the end times can not be acuratly understood by starting in rev. That takes it out of context, it is not a flat linear depiction of events, its a car wreck as described by multiple witnesses to form one single revelation.

 

[Stormcrow]

That is Truth!! But find a place where Christ says that it is at that same time period??

@ Elijah
for the hour is coming

Christ didn't say "the hours", He specifically conflated them into one, brief period of time.

{28} "Do not marvel at this; for an hour [singular] is coming, in which all who are in the tombs will hear His voice, {29} and will come forth; those who did the good deeds to a resurrection of life, those who committed the evil deeds to a resurrection of judgment. John 5:28-29 (NASB)

No 1,000 year gap in this passage. None.

 

[Stormcrow]

Sorry, feeling a little tired (jet lagged) out myself, so the following IS a "copy and paste" job:

But Jesus said to him, "Follow Me; and allow the dead to bury their own dead." (Matthew 8:22)

Since the physically dead can't bury their own dead, this has to be referring to the spiritually dead.

And when you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, (Colossians 2:13)

This is a clear allusion to spiritual death (sin separates us from God) and the resurrection of the spirit to new life through Christ's sacrifice and the forgiveness of sins.

For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. (James 2:26)

We are mere dust without the spirit animating us.

{7} Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. Genesis 2:7 (NASB)

This passage from Genesis dovetails nicely with this:

{28} For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Acts 17:28 (KJV)

Even those who reject Christ "live and move and have their being", so this verse is related to the "quickening" of the spirit in all men who accept the sacrifice of Christ for the forgiveness of sins.

The quickening God gave Adam was a spiritual quickening (breathed the spirit into him) followed by a physical quickening (dust to life).

This is the same quickening we receive when we accept Christ:

{1} And you hath he quickened, who were dead [spiritually dead] in trespasses and sins...{4} But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, {5} Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) {6} And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: Ephesians 2:1,4-6 (KJV)

Sin separates man from God. Separation from God - the source of our very existence both physically and spiritually - causes spiritual death. The death which follows physically to the unregenerate soul leads to the second death - eternal separation from God.

This is such a fundamental precept of the gospel message that it shouldn't even be the subject of debate among Christians.

For more, you can read the following link.

What is spiritual death?

Peace. Out.

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

by Stormcrow

But Jesus said to him, "Follow Me; and allow the dead to bury their own dead." (Matthew 8:22) Since the physically dead can't bury their own dead, this has to be referring to the spiritually dead.



And when you were dead in your transgressions and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He made you alive together with Him, having forgiven us all our transgressions, (Colossians 2:13)


This is a clear allusion to spiritual death (sin separates us from God) and the resurrection of the spirit to new life through Christ's sacrifice and the forgiveness of sins.



For just as the body without the spirit is dead, so also faith without works is dead. (James 2:26)


We are mere dust without the spirit animating us.



{7} Then the LORD God formed man of dust from the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living being. Genesis 2:7 (NASB)


This passage from Genesis dovetails nicely with this:



{28} For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring. Acts 17:28 (KJV)


Even those who reject Christ "live and move and have their being", so this verse is related to the "quickening" of the spirit in all men who accept the sacrifice of Christ for the forgiveness of sins.

The quickening God gave Adam was a spiritual quickening (breathed the spirit into him) followed by a physical quickening (dust to life).

This is the same quickening we receive when we accept Christ:



{1} And you hath he quickened, who were dead [spiritually dead] in trespasses and sins...{4} But God, who is rich in mercy, for his great love wherewith he loved us, {5} Even when we were dead in sins, hath quickened us together with Christ, (by grace ye are saved;) {6} And hath raised us up together, and made us sit together in heavenly places in Christ Jesus: Ephesians 2:1,4-6 (KJV)


Sin separates man from God. Separation from God - the source of our very existence both physically and spiritually - causes spiritual death. The death which follows physically to the unregenerate soul leads to the second death - eternal separation from God.

This is such a fundamental precept of the gospel message that it shouldn't even be the subject of debate among Christians.

Good points as usual SC. Now consider who it is the scriptures call "the dead" and who to they refer to as "the living" or those who are considered alive. We know that in many cases where this language is used it is not talking about current physical existence, there is obviously more to it than that. What is it though?

The best I can tell from scripture is that those who submit to the plan and will of God are considered amongst the "living" while those who do not are considered amongst the "dead". That classification, if you will seems applicable both during the life of the individual and even after the person has died for we are even told that God is not the God of the dead but of the living.

Does the above mean that when the living die that they do not actually cease living and their conscious transitions to another plane of existence or does it mean something else? In order to properly answer this question we need to look to scripture for the lessons it teaches on the matter and draw our conclusions based on that message making the above listed conclusion fit into scripture as opposed to building our beliefs around what we've concluded and cherry picking scriptures to hold up what we believe.

Going back to Genesis we see that man rather than having a soul, IS a living soul and that man becomes a living soul the moment the Lifegiver breathes into man the spirit or breath of life. (We are truly inspired creatures!! But so are the animals said Solomon in Eccl.). When man dies, the breath given man from the Lifegiver leaves man and returns "to God who gave it" and the once "living soul" is dead sleeping the "sleep of death" going "the way of the Earth." We are told that in the grave where we all are going that "there’s no doing, thinking, wisdom, or knowledge, in the place of the dead" according to Ecclesiastes 9:10.

With that being the case, what then is/was the hope for the righteous man that dies? Here are some scriptures that address this very issue:

1. 1 Samuel 2:6-8 (the song of Hannah)
‘For, Jehovah kills and gives birth to the living;
He takes them to the grave and leads them back out.
It’s Jehovah who makes the poor and the rich;
Yes, He humbles and raises.
‘He resurrects the needy from the ground,
And He raises the poor from the dirt,
To seat them with the mighty of the people,
Where a throne of glory they’ll inherit.

2. Job 14:9-15 (The Patriarch's hope)
‘When the trunk of a tree smells water, it blossoms and bears fruit as though it were new. But when a man reaches his end, that will not be undone… when a man falls, he’s no longer.
‘In time, even seas will be gone, and rivers will all be barren and dry. So, when man goes to sleep, he will not rise again, until [the stars] are all sewn together… we never awaken from that sleep.
‘O that in the grave You had guarded and hid me, until all of Your anger had passed. Please order a time to be set for me, when You’ll mention my name once again. Can a man live again after he dies, once the days of his life have all past? As for me, I will wait ‘til I live again; when You’ll call me and then I will listen. O don’t undo the work of Your hands!

3. Daniel 12 (The Messenger's Promise to the Prophet)
‘And in that hour, the Highest MessengerMichaEl (he who watches over the sons of your people) will arise, and then a time of difficulty will begin such as has never happened before and will never happen again. [And thereafter], [God] will raise all those whose [names] were written in the scroll, 2 and many who died and were buried will be resurrected… some to life in the age, some to disgrace, and some will be scattered and shamed in that age. 3 Then those who understand my words will shine like the brightness of the sky and like the stars in the heavens for ages of ages...........
13 ‘Now, go and rest until the day and hour has been completed, because you will be resurrected and receive your inheritance after those days come to their end.’

4. John 11:21-26 (Martha & Jesus)
Then Martha told Jesus, ‘Lord, if you had just been here, my brother wouldn’t have died. And yet, now I know that whatever you ask God for, He’ll give you.’
And Jesus told her, ‘Your brother will stand again!’
Then Martha said, ‘I know that he’ll stand again in the resurrection on the Last Day.’
But Jesus said to her, ‘I am the resurrection and the life; so, whoever believes in me, even if he dies, will live. And all the living who believe in me won’t remain dead through the age. Do you believe this?’

As illustrated above, the hope of the righteous was to be raised again to life where they would receive their "reward" and be able to live in peace and without sorrow for ages of ages in the age where all of God's anger and wrath over sin had passed.
The unrighteous had no such hope. Apparently, they were not even expected to be resurrected at all until Jesus said otherwise informing his hearers that ALL who were in the graves would be brought out. Some, (the "living") to age lasting life while others (the dead), would be brought out to judgment, everlasting shame and contempt, and to destruction.

 

[Stormcrow]

I guess I don't understand what you're driving at, then, because I was only responding to this quote:

When one ceases to live, one is dead, that is a fairly simply concept. Death again is ceasation of life, not separation.

The point I'm trying to make is that death is both the cessation of life and separation, as illustrated in the quotes I provided.

• Cessation of life or "physical death" = separation of the spirit from the body;
• Spiritual Death = separation from God because of sin.

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

I guess I don't understand what you're driving at, then, because I was only responding to this quote:

When one ceases to live, one is dead, that is a fairly simply concept. Death again is ceasation of life, not separation.

The point I'm trying to make is that death is both the cessation of life and separation, as illustrated in the quotes I provided.

• Cessation of life or "physical death" = separation of the spirit from the body;
• Spiritual Death = separation from God because of sin.

Gotcha SC.

I do wish to point out that terms such as physical death (not in theclinical sense, but religious sense) and spiritual death are terms that have been coined by religion and used to support whatever dogma the religionist stands behind.

The Bible does not define death as the separation of one's spirit from one's body. It instead describes death as the absense of what makes one alive from the very breath of God to the traits and charactoristics that one who is alive has.

But what about James 2:26? It reads:

26 So, just as the body without the spirit is dead, so faith without works is dead.

That text is better understood when rendered as follows:

26 So, just as a body that isn’t breathing is dead, faith without action is dead.

 

[reba]

TOT...This is a question not challenge.

1Ti 5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.

Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

1Jn 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


What say you of these few verse on the subject of dead/death/die

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

TOT...This is a question not challenge.

1Ti 5:6 But she that liveth in pleasure is dead while she liveth.

Joh 11:26 And whosoever liveth and believeth in me shall never die. Believest thou this?

Col 2:13 And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;

1Jn 3:14 We know that we have passed from death unto life, because we love the brethren. He that loveth not his brother abideth in death.

Eph 2:1 And you hath he quickened, who were dead in trespasses and sins;

Rom 8:6 For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace.

Rom 8:10 And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.


What say you of these few verse on the subject of dead/death/die

These scriptures and many others represent the beautiful hope and assurance our God blesses us with in that if we submit to His will and abide in righteousness we will not be victims to the curse of sin and death. We know that the wage of sin is death; but God’s gift is age-long life through the Anointed Jesus, the Lord provided that we obey. For those who chose not to, the death sentence that had been placed on man sense Adam's sin will not be lifted, but again for those who do, they will be made alive in the Anointed One and in a manner of speaking have already been made alive since He has conquered death.

 

[TRUTH over TRADITION]

ToT this is the part of your post, that to my ears, screams reincarnation.

......For all the rest of us, I believe that the Bible writings mainly teach that we will be resurrected eventually also, but we will be resurrected unto judgment when we will live and our destiny will be determined based on our resurrected lives and at that time we will be presented with the opportunity to be sealed by God's Holy Spirit just as the 1st century saints were.

it also reads as a second judgment. Our salvation is based on HIS blood not our our our resurrected lives.

I know I'm late.........

Jesus' saving sacrifice saved man from the power of the grave. Jesus defeated death, swallowing it up in victory according to the scriptures. Jesus then made the resurrection a possibility for He is quoted as saying that He is the resurrection and the life. So yes, mankind's being saved from death, sin's wage is based on Jesus' sacrifice according to the scriptures, but that does not negate man having to act to receive the blessing of life made available by Jesus.

 

[John 8:32]

you grew up JW

i grew up in Dispy

this could be a wild conversation!

But now i have spell check!

And I grew up in the Methodist church.

 

[John 8:32]

P.S.

I was hoping for some sympathy.

 

[Guest]

1st Resurrection - Jesus raising Lazarus from the dead
2nd Resurrection - God the Father raising Jesus from the grave/Jesus then sits at the right hand of God the Father in Heaven
3rd Resurrection - Resurrect Sinner - Accepting Jesus/Holy Spirit into your heart on this earth/dead in sin, alive in God
4th Resurrection - Afterlife for Judgment - Bema Seat of Christ/Believers & The Great White Throne/Unbelievers