Resurrections

[warhorse]

The first reserection took place with Jesus as the saints of old were witnessed then, the next will be the rapture, on the Day of the lord.

 

[reba]

that doesnt mean salvation btw. is how you die a matter a salvation

Sure it does if ya read Revelation literally

btw that is why i take the millenial reign to be literal.

This totally looses me jason Why do you take it literally?

if you read that verse in revalation as is it says the beast beheads.

could he uses other methods?

yes but then why arent they described?

they had in joh's day

the beheading , burning alive on the stakes
the piercing by spears and also bow and arrow and burned in oil

yet none of those are mentioned.

hmm

Not if you read the rest of Revelation literally

I just don't understand the hopping and jumping folks do with this verse is literal this one is not. Rev 20;6 is literal Rev1;1 is not Rev 14:1 is literal Rev 1:3 is not

This part was written to the 7 churches this part wasn't yet Rev 22 calls the whole a book

I am not saying i have the answers what i have are questions. No longer does the dispy teaching have a strong hold on me.


Strongs Plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand: - thousand

 

[jasoncran]

Sure it does if ya read Revelation literally

This totally looses me jason Why do you take it literally?



Not if you read the rest of Revelation literally

I just don't understand the hopping and jumping folks do with this verse is literal this one is not. Rev 20;6 is literal Rev1;1 is not Rev 14:1 is literal Rev 1:3 is not

This part was written to the 7 churches this part wasn't yet Rev 22 calls the whole a book

I am not saying i have the answers what i have are questions. No longer does the dispy teaching have a strong hold on me.


Strongs Plural of uncertain affinity; a thousand: - thousand

sigh, if satan is so bound why then are we soo easily fooled by him and that reference is in revalation 7

14And I said unto him, Sir, thou knowest. And he said to me, These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have washed their robes, and made them white in the blood of the Lamb.

15Therefore are they before the throne of God, and serve him day and night in his temple: and he that sitteth on the throne shall dwell among them.

16They shall hunger no more, neither thirst any more; neither shall the sun light on them, nor any heat.

17For the Lamb which is in the midst of the throne shall feed them, and shall lead them unto living fountains of waters: and God shall wipe away all tears from their eyes.

so then, what does that mean to you? have we always been in the great tribulation since the time of John,


btw john died of natural causes.

is he not in heaven.

again its who we die in not how we die that determines are fate.

if its your way then none can be saved as all must be persecuted to be saved.



hmm ashua is messianic jew(he has attended those services and doesnt believe that to my knowledge) and also believes in the millenium.

 

[reba]

We are not on the same page Jason. over the net we cant read faces etc.


If i am not mistaken you said those beheaded would reign 1000 years with Christ.


my reply was meant this way... Is it only the folks beheaded? or could they have died another way?


Please one point at a time or i will get really really lost.....

 

[jasoncran]

We are not on the same page Jason. over the net we cant read faces etc.


If i am not mistaken you said those beheaded would reign 1000 years with Christ.


my reply was meant this way... Is it only the folks beheaded? or could they have died another way?


Please one point at a time or i will get really really lost.....

correct, only those beheaded in the GREAT tribulation, and btw trust me its something that i wasnt taught
so now having my dakes bible at my side ..

let the long posts begin

starting with revalation 7:9

which i already posted.

so i will post what dake says.

lovely.

starting with this reference to after this i beheld lo a great multitude

" these verses(9-17)potray the last company redeemed in the book, they are all martrys while the 144,000 are all living and translated without dying(12:5)these are martyred after the church in 4:1. They include the saints under the alter in 6:9-11. and the rest of the brethren that should be killed in the tribulation,14:13, 15:2-4,20:4-6"

now then i post these that i havent already


rev 4:1 njkv
1 After these things I looked, and behold, a door standing open in heaven. And the first voice which I heard was like a trumpet speaking with me, saying, “Come up here, and I will show you things which must take place after this

revalation 12:5

5And she brought forth a man child, who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron: and her child was caught up unto God, and to his throne.

revalation 6:9-11

And when he had opened the fifth seal, I saw under the altar the souls of them that were slain for the word of God, and for the testimony which they held:

10And they cried with a loud voice, saying, How long, O Lord, holy and true, dost thou not judge and avenge our blood on them that dwell on the earth?

11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled

revalation 14:13

13And I heard a voice from heaven saying unto me, Write, Blessed are the dead which die in the Lord from henceforth: Yea, saith the Spirit, that they may rest from their labours; and their works do follow them.

revalation 15:2-4
2And I saw as it were a sea of glass mingled with fire: and them that had gotten the victory over the beast, and over his image, and over his mark, and over the number of his name, stand on the sea of glass, having the harps of God.

3And they sing the song of Moses the servant of God, and the song of the Lamb, saying, Great and marvellous are thy works, Lord God Almighty; just and true are thy ways, thou King of saints.

4Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.

and i quoted revalation 20 already.

 

[reba]

So if a person is around and the beast doesn't behead them they are lost, will not reign with Christ? So the manor of death at the hands of the beast is the determining factor in reigning with Christ?

 

[jasoncran]

So if a person is around and the beast doesn't behead them they are lost, will not reign with Christ? So the manor of death at the hands of the beast is the determining factor in reigning with Christ?

see revalation 20 on that, his supposistion is the pre-trib has occurred and the gentile chruch prior to the seven yr trib are already in heaven and not mentioned as the focus of this book is on isreal.

again i dont claim that i fully understand it as it will take alot of time and reading and reaserch as he did and i will read his commentary after i finish revalation.

and i will study it to see what he says is true.

lets see i will post what he says on the first ressurection and the saints else where.

ah i see the problem

sheesh, well then, wow.

ok the first ressurection is the saints only and the second is for the wicked.

well then this is going to be even more confusing.

might i suggest buying a dakes bible study and reading it?

The Dake Annotated Reference BIble - The World's Best Study Bible

 

[jasoncran]

in short i am wrong but not fully, but tis a long explanation trust me.

i have jumped from revalation to daniel just looking up resurrections.

okay the trib saints are ressurrected in part with the wicked dead in revalation and dont reign with him.

interesting he doesnt believe in the world wide tribulation but only for isreal.

hmm on this note i will leave off and talk to my pastor on this.

 

[reba]

ok the first ressurection is the saints only and the second is for the wicked.

Drake says the above do i have that right?

Jesus puts the resurrection of the good and damned in the same hour.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

 

[jasoncran]

Drake says the above do i have that right?

Jesus puts the resurrection of the good and damned in the same hour.

Joh 5:28 Marvel not at this: for the hour is coming, in the which all that are in the graves shall hear his voice,
Joh 5:29 And shall come forth; they that have done good, unto the resurrection of life; and they that have done evil, unto the resurrection of damnation.

correct that does line up, but not all of them occur at the same time. note the world hour isnt a literal hour

but a hebrew idiom in reference to the feast of terah or something that ashua states.

 

[reba]

correct that does line up, but not all of them occur at the same time. note the world hour isnt a literal hour

but a hebrew idiom in reference to the feast of terah or something that ashua states.

The only 'dictionary" i have to use is Strongs it says the word hour in John 5;28

G5610
ὥρα
hōra
ho'-rah
Apparently a primary word; an “hour†(literally or figuratively): - day, hour, instant, season, X short, [even-] tide, (high) time.

 

[reba]

you grew up JW

i grew up in Dispy

this could be a wild conversation!

But now i have spell check!

 

[jasoncran]

The only 'dictionary" i have to use is Strongs it says the word hour in John 5;28

G5610
ὥρα
hōra
ho'-rah
Apparently a primary word; an “hour†(literally or figuratively): - day, hour, instant, season, X short, [even-] tide, (high) time.

that doesnt negate what ashua called the feast of terah ,

this was a feast in which the moon(new) had to be observed and you know the season when it came but the exact HOUR.

when the shout was given a full moon, there had to be two witnesses and also the feast and those in it stood by waiting for that cry.

sound familiar or like what christ says.

it should.

 

[reba]

So Jason are we in agreement that the beast with his beheading defines who reigns a thousand years with Christ?

 

[jasoncran]

So Jason are we in agreement that the beast with his beheading defines who reigns a thousand years with Christ?

i believe that is the case.

 

[reba]

So Jason are we in agreement that the beast with his beheading defines who reigns a thousand years with Christ?

Jason i messed up in my wording of the above post. I will never agree that the beast selects, picks , defines etc who reigns with Christ.

What i am asking is do we agree that YOU say as does drake that the beast defines who reigns with Christ. Goodness sorry about the mixup

 

[jasoncran]

Jason i messed up in my wording of the above post. I will never agree that the beast selects, picks , defines etc who reigns with Christ.

What i am asking is do we agree that YOU say as does drake that the beast defines who reigns with Christ. Goodness sorry about the mixup

i think that the lord says who does by the fact the beast beheads them.

its delinated

hmm i wonder why dake says that the ac doesnt reign over the whole world only over the ten kingdoms

 

[reba]

So God is using the beast to do the beheading?

 

[jasoncran]

So God is using the beast to do the beheading?

no, god allows it
he states who does it and that those that dont take the mark die that way(if they happen to) he states the reward.

 

[reba]

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