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Revelation 17 Harlot
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(THE) said:
I see the use of CAPS as shouting.
thus fighting.When speaking of Rome, I am not speaking of a real Roman empire. That would be idiotic. I am speaking of a political system that would be the same as what the Roman empire was in its time. It was indeed a "world empire" Rome ruled.
The beast (8th) is the one that was and shall be. Rome was and shall be. Re-read my post and maybe it will make sense to you this time. I think we might even be in agreement.
C
Cornelius said:(THE) said:
I see the use of CAPS as shouting.
When speaking of Rome, I am not speaking of a real Roman empire. That would be idiotic. I am speaking of a political system that would be the same as what the Roman empire was in its time. It was indeed a "world empire" Rome ruled.
The beast (8th) is the one that was and shall be. Rome was and shall be. Re-read my post and maybe it will make sense to you this time. I think we might even be in agreement.
C
Those caps dont mean shouting LOL ,,,,OMG just means Oh My God.....
I read alot of your post C,,,,I havent seen as many post of yours lately though....
Its really easy to figure out if were in agreement,,,I'l make it simple bro....
The beast in Revelation 13:1,,,is a political system controlled by the "sons of Cain" (Leapord)
The beast in Revelation 13:11 is satan.......
The beast in Revelation 17 is both........
Vic C.
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I agree. Listen, it was very uneasy for me when I first discovered for myself there was another, more historical way of looking at much of this. It didn't sit very well at first because it began to poke holes in much of what I believed. But I adjusted my position and continue to research, study and learn.researcher said:
Yes it has been an interesting conversation with many viewpoints, so, Vince, eyes wide open as you continue studying.Vince said:
Yea, yeah. LOL Chapter(s) and verse(s) please. :D I too enjoy some extra Biblical support when needed, but it's not needed here. The Bible says all it needs to say about this harlot and it's abominations. :yesCornelius said:
Vic C. said:
It is true
Just think logically here: There is only ONE truth. That would be the truth as God intended it. Now go to denominations and see that they differ from each other regarding truth (that is why they are separated in the first place) So we all know that only one can be right. For instance: tongues or no tongues. Only one is correct, the other is part of something that is not the truth: The lie. Which is the Harlot. But then , the same one who is correct on the "tongues issue" might be wrong on another doctrine (the rapture/no rapture, for instance) and then they are part of the Harlot in that they believe a lie.And so it carries on. All denomination disagree on some issue and all denominations are right AND wrong about some. So the Harlot is present in them all.
Strange as it might seem and sounding impossible to some ; but we ALL at some time must consider if we love our denomination more than the truth. Some would even say it is impossible to know the truth as God intended it to be (they are wrong, because they then say that God cannot bring His truth to a person who genuinely asks for it) Some would cling to their denomination because it suits their way of thinking , some cling because its the oldest denomination, some because its the biggest, some believe the claims made by the denomination that they are "it".(They are not ! )
The Harlot is everywhere, so the only way to leave her, is to trust God to lead you outside the "system of the day". The Bride has always been outside of dogma . She has survived for 2000 years as a small outcast, at times growing larger and then smaller again. She has always been the "few" that found the small gate.
People do not like hearing this, although deep inside their spirits they might feel that I am correct in what I am saying, but the price to pay is very high.So its easier to just stay as we are and hope for the best.
C
(THE) said:
Yes I agree
When I spoke of the Roman empire,I also mean the political system. "Follow the eagle" ! The eagle goes where the spirit of the Roman empire goes. It is simply a way of saying "all nations and tongues". Very much like we see in the USA today, where you get people from all nations living under yet again .....an Eagle ! I believe that we will see the US soon in a strong world leadership position, which is what Rome did too. I believe that this is what this verse means when it speaks of "was" and "is not" and "is"
Rev 17:8 The beast that thou sawest was(Ancient Rome), and is not;(No longer a world empire) and is about to come (Same world-ruling political system spirit) up out of the abyss,(definitely a spirit that controls the whole political system outside Christ ) and to go into perdition.
Am I making better sense
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researcher
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Rev 16:18 And there were voices, and thunders, and lightnings; and there was a great earthquake, such as was not since men were upon the earth, so mighty an earthquake, and so great.
Rev 16:19 And the great city was divided into three parts, and the cities of the nations fell: and great Babylon came in remembrance before God, to give unto her the cup of the wine of the fierceness of his wrath.
Rev 16:20 And every island fled away, and the mountains were not found.
So, how is the Harlot (100's of already divided denominations) that is everywhere going to be divided into three parts?
Rev 18:10 Standing afar off for the fear of her torment, saying, Alas, alas, that great city Babylon, that mighty city! for in one hour is thy judgment come.
Is God going to send mini-nukes on every church denomination throughout the world? Lol. A million churches burning throughout the world? Lol. Get out of those churches! Quick! Lol. Lol. ;) ;) ;)
researcher
Member
This is what God was talking about when he said get out of the Harlot. Lol.
Rev 18:4 Then I heard another voice from heaven, saying, "Come out, my people! Come out from her! You must not take part in her sins; you must not share in her punishment!
Mat 24:15 "So when you see the destructive desecration, mentioned by the prophet Daniel, standing in the Holy Place (let the reader take note),
Mat 24:16 then those who are in Judea must flee to the mountains.
Luk 21:20 "When you see Jerusalem surrounded by armies, then understand that its devastation is near.
Luk 21:21 Then those in Judea must flee to the mountains, those inside the city must leave it, and those in the countryside must not go into it.
Jesus told them to leave the Harlot (Jerusalem) when they saw the armies surround it. Revelation 18 just reiterates that point. Get out, or you WILL die. And most of them did. :D
Cornelius said:It is true
And so it carries on. All denomination disagree on some issue and all denominations are right AND wrong about some. So the Harlot is present in them all.
Strange as it might seem and sounding impossible to some ; but we ALL at some time must consider if we love our denomination more than the truth. Some would even say it is impossible to know the truth as God intended it to be (they are wrong, because they then say that God cannot bring His truth to a person who genuinely asks for it) Some would cling to their denomination because it suits their way of thinking , some cling because its the oldest denomination, some because its the biggest, some believe the claims made by the denomination that they are "it".(They are not ! )
The Harlot is everywhere, so the only way to leave her, is to trust God to lead you outside the "system of the day". The Bride has always been outside of dogma . She has survived for 2000 years as a small outcast, at times growing larger and then smaller again. She has always been the "few" that found the small gate.
People do not like hearing this, although deep inside their spirits they might feel that I am correct in what I am saying, but the price to pay is very high.So its easier to just stay as we are and hope for the best.
C
Have to agree with all of that. But it doesn't end after you leave the denominations.
Try to find all the truth in any group, or in one person.
1 Corinthians 13:9 Â For we know in part, and we prophesy in part.
I have come to accept that, since we all understand one part "better" than others, and other parts not at all. The solution is of course also available:
1 Corinthians 13:10 Â But when that which is perfect is come, then that which is in part shall be done away.
Yet only if we stay teachable. And that is almost impossible inside an established denomination. They have their own static and are protective regarding their own uniqueness. That would not be the case if they all had the same helper, and a singleness of heart and mind:
John 16:13 Â Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into all truth: for he shall not speak of himself; but whatsoever he shall hear, that shall he speak: and he will shew you things to come.
ALL truth is available, we have no reason to willingly be content with 40% or 60%. Just be attentive to what the Holy Spirit will open up next. And willing to turn when a part must be replaced by the perfect.
I have JUST received this email: It has started !
AN "OUT-of-CHURCH" REVIVAL??
-by Mike Story.
I thought you'd be interested in what's happening here in Finland.
There is an extraordinary movement of the Holy Ghost here.
Something unprecedented in its size and growth.
Young people are Coming To Faith; they have an immediate
desire to go out into the streets and bring others into the fold.
There is NO interest in "church" or religion at all!
They want teaching and spiritual fathers & mothers; they know
"only milk" yet go out and teach that to kids in the streets ...
And they Come To Faith!
We have had to open our houses to them ( we were told to buy an
old village school 20 years ago... so surprise-surprise we have
two classrooms where we can train groups of future leaders ). Kids
are leaving the churches and seeking The Lord elsewhere because
they can't find Him in the religion and ceremonies and that applies
just as much to Pentecostal as to Free church, Lutheran, Orthodox,
Anglican, Baptist as it does to ALL Organised Religion: they WANT
what I call "inspired disorganisation" where MAN doesn't do the
organising; we just LISTEN ... And then do as we are told!
One young man ( to whom I have lent my copy of Out Of Church
Christians before I even read it myself ! ) is co-ordinating these
groups and acts as an enabler; bringing teaching from elders ( in
the "mature Christian" sense ) to beginners; arranging meetings
and encouraging these young people to keep going ! Very Book Of Acts!
The LORD is doing extraordinary things in India, in Andaman and
in Finland ... Thought you'd like to know!
-Dr Mike Story.
It has started !AN "OUT-of-CHURCH" REVIVAL??
-by Mike Story.
I thought you'd be interested in what's happening here in Finland.
There is an extraordinary movement of the Holy Ghost here.
Something unprecedented in its size and growth.
Young people are Coming To Faith; they have an immediate
desire to go out into the streets and bring others into the fold.
There is NO interest in "church" or religion at all!
They want teaching and spiritual fathers & mothers; they know
"only milk" yet go out and teach that to kids in the streets ...
And they Come To Faith!
We have had to open our houses to them ( we were told to buy an
old village school 20 years ago... so surprise-surprise we have
two classrooms where we can train groups of future leaders ). Kids
are leaving the churches and seeking The Lord elsewhere because
they can't find Him in the religion and ceremonies and that applies
just as much to Pentecostal as to Free church, Lutheran, Orthodox,
Anglican, Baptist as it does to ALL Organised Religion: they WANT
what I call "inspired disorganisation" where MAN doesn't do the
organising; we just LISTEN ... And then do as we are told!
One young man ( to whom I have lent my copy of Out Of Church
Christians before I even read it myself ! ) is co-ordinating these
groups and acts as an enabler; bringing teaching from elders ( in
the "mature Christian" sense ) to beginners; arranging meetings
and encouraging these young people to keep going ! Very Book Of Acts!
The LORD is doing extraordinary things in India, in Andaman and
in Finland ... Thought you'd like to know!
-Dr Mike Story.
interpreter
Member
The great whore is Moscow, which sits on 7 hills and many waters (5 seas).
Geo said:
When we leave, we have to go back to the system that God placed there in the first place:
Eph 4:11 And he gave some to be apostles; and some, prophets; and some, evangelists; and some, pastors and teachers;
Eph 4:12 for the perfecting of the saints, unto the work of ministering, unto the building up of the body of Christ:
Eph 4:13 till we all attain unto the unity of the faith, and of the knowledge of the Son of God, unto a fullgrown man, unto the measure of the stature of the fulness of Christ:
Eph 4:14 that we may be no longer children, tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine, by the sleight of men, in craftiness, after the wiles of error;
Denominations are tossed to and fro and carried about with every wind of doctrine.........We can see this everywhere we look. We are not in the system of five fold ministry, because men have kicked them out when they usurped the authority for themselves. Bible college and diplomas and degrees are now the new "calling of God' and not the anointing. Men now study for ministry and not like in the time of the first apostles where God called them and anointed them
Ephesians says "TILL" meaning that we are suppose to eventually come to the end of separation. It can only happen to those who leave the Harlot. Ephesians is also talking about maturity, when we manifest Christ (fullgrown man and fulness of Christ..........this has definitely not happened yet ! )
There is only one place of agreement available for us : The Word of God. But this Word must be accepted as written without all the "Yes but....." that people always add. THEN we shall agree.
No more "Yes but" Christianity !
Turn the other cheek.........yes but
Forgive............yes but
Women must not teach.........yes but
Its the "yes but" people who causes the schisms in the church of God. They are the people who divide. We are told to stay clear of them.
JudaicChristian
Member
Very well said Geo. And you know that there are somethings that Christians believe with all of there heart and mind, and even believe that the Holy Spirit showed them; but yet it is a contradiction of all the facts. To them I say, isn't truth made known by the reason of the facts. Was it really the Holy Spirit, or was it just an emotional response to what you wanted to believe. You know how we humans have a bad habit of deceiving ourselves. We can not make anyone believe anything they do not want to, we can only take responsibility for ourselves.Geo said:
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Vic C.
Member
Researcher, I applaud your Bible-only approach but I feel it falls on blind eyes and deaf ears. Not all of you, but some. Sure, the winds of errant doctrine are blowing everywhere and NOT just in the churches. Some of the most errant and abusers of doctrine are coming from outside accepted mainstream Christianity.
Just look at how divisive they are at turning people away from the clear Biblical meaning of the whore/harlot and instead putting the blame on denominations! Pushing personal and private interpretations and saying we are wrong.
I am going to borrow your "LOL".
LOL! ;)
Just look at how divisive they are at turning people away from the clear Biblical meaning of the whore/harlot and instead putting the blame on denominations! Pushing personal and private interpretations and saying we are wrong.
I am going to borrow your "LOL".
LOL! ;)
researcher
Member
Vic C. said:
LOL! That was funny, Vic. Thank you. I used to think the whore could logically only be New York City because it is the center of commerce (last time I checked). Of course, I didn't know about symbolism, or anything like that. It was just my "cursory glance" that said, "it must be NYC!" LOL. LOL.
Of course, I used to think most of Revelation was literal. Stars falling and weird monsters, LOL. When people get over the "no way, it can't be Jerusalem!" knee jerk reaction, and start piecing it together, I think they will figure it out. Or, they can go straight to the source which is the Spirit of course. I think even coming from Him it would be hard for some to believe, lol. But, whichever. It's all good in the hood... for now. ;) Lol. ;) :D
That's a good thought Cornelius,
what gave me a sudden inspiration to ask the question if the timing of Jacob's trouble has actually not only the pre-identifer of the "quantity of the gentiles come in" but also the maturity of the gentiles as it relates to the "fulness of the Gentiles" ? in:
Romans 11:25 Â For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Hey mdo757,
Yea I know exactly what you mean. The ones that don't know that we have a "bad habit of deceiving ourselves" have not dealt with their first deception yet. So they are still in that deception. What we can do however is to check ourselves and our thoughts and ideas constantly, if our view inside the bigger picture is still correct. It's difficult to understand "opposing verses" and make sense of them. But that's exactly the way to overcome the ignorance in ourselves.
Ahh, this thread is about the Revelation 17 Harlot, and we are side walking around it. Ok, let me ask a related question. Did anyone ever hear someone talking about that the endtimes apostate church will be married to the antichrist? Is that identical with the spitting out of the church of the Laocideans in Revelation 3:16 ?
what gave me a sudden inspiration to ask the question if the timing of Jacob's trouble has actually not only the pre-identifer of the "quantity of the gentiles come in" but also the maturity of the gentiles as it relates to the "fulness of the Gentiles" ? in:
Romans 11:25 Â For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
Hey mdo757,
Yea I know exactly what you mean. The ones that don't know that we have a "bad habit of deceiving ourselves" have not dealt with their first deception yet. So they are still in that deception. What we can do however is to check ourselves and our thoughts and ideas constantly, if our view inside the bigger picture is still correct. It's difficult to understand "opposing verses" and make sense of them. But that's exactly the way to overcome the ignorance in ourselves.
Ahh, this thread is about the Revelation 17 Harlot, and we are side walking around it. Ok, let me ask a related question. Did anyone ever hear someone talking about that the endtimes apostate church will be married to the antichrist? Is that identical with the spitting out of the church of the Laocideans in Revelation 3:16 ?
JudaicChristian
Member
There was a time years ago that I thought that it was Jerusalem that was being talked about, but after making a through study I see that that is not correct. Rome and Catholicism go hand in hand, because Christianity became a Roman religion. There are no 7 hills or mountains upon which Jerusalem sits that have blasphemous names. The seven hills in Rome had Pagan temples upon each of the hills, and the hills were name after each Pagan god.researcher said:
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The seven hills of Rome is a LESSER type. It means that there is still a bigger "seven hills" that it points too as well.
Mountains and hills in the Bible speaks of kingdoms . The Mountain of God points to His Kingdom and other mountains and hills speak of of kings or rulers.
The seven KINGS on which the Harlot sits, means she is ruling the seed (all the people at this moment) that came from all the ancient kingdoms.
What I do not understand, is how people can think they are just hills, when the Bible clearly say they are kings? Can anybody explain?
Rev 17:9 Here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth:
Rev 17:10 and they are seven kings;
LOL, I mean it says so right here and yet people say it is not so.
Mountains and hills in the Bible speaks of kingdoms . The Mountain of God points to His Kingdom and other mountains and hills speak of of kings or rulers.
The seven KINGS on which the Harlot sits, means she is ruling the seed (all the people at this moment) that came from all the ancient kingdoms.
What I do not understand, is how people can think they are just hills, when the Bible clearly say they are kings? Can anybody explain?
Rev 17:9 Here is the mind that hath wisdom. The seven heads are seven mountains, on which the woman sitteth:
Rev 17:10 and they are seven kings;
LOL, I mean it says so right here and yet people say it is not so.
researcher
Member
Rev 18:2 And he cried mightily with a strong voice, saying, Babylon the great is fallen, is fallen,
Rev 18:24 And in her was found the blood of PROPHETS, and of saints, and of ALL that were slain upon the earth.
1Th 2:15 Who both KILLED the Lord Jesus, and their own PROPHETS, and have persecuted us; and they please not God, and are contrary to all men:
Mat 23:29 Woe unto YOU, Scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! because ye build the tombs of the PROPHETS, and garnish the sepulchres of the righteous,
Mat 23:30 And say, If we had been in the days of our fathers, we would not have been partakers with them in the blood of the prophets.
Mat 23:34 Wherefore, behold, I send unto YOU prophets, and wise men, and scribes: and some of them ye shall KILL and crucify; and some of them shall ye scourge in your synagogues, and persecute them from city to city:
Mat 23:35 That upon YOU may come ALL the righteous blood shed upon the earth, from the blood of righteous Abel unto the blood of Zacharias son of Barachias, whom ye slew between the temple and the altar.
Mat 23:37 O JERUSALEM, JERUSALEM, THOU that KILLEST the PROPHETS, and stonest them which are sent unto thee,
Mat 23:36 Verily I say unto you, All these things shall come upon THIS generation.
It's over already. You missed the Harlot by about... 2000 years, lol.
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