Revelation 20:12 & the Year 20:12

[Lee100]

Is it mere coincidence that the Scripture Revelation 20:12 and the Year 2012, both are about the end. Will the event in Revelation 20:12 occur on the year 20:12.
Revelation 20:12 (And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.)

And if there is a thread in this forum that talks about the possibility that Obama might be the Antichrist, would some one please provide a link.

 

[Rick W]

2012? The end?
If referring to the Mayan calendar popularized recently I believe all that's about is the end of an era, not the end of everything. It's like the end of the industrial age which was followed by the information age. There was no earth-shaking event yet people like their divisions clear-cut, black and white. I think it was the year 1990 that was settled upon to divide the two.

 

[Vic C.]

If 2012 is the end, then pretribulation isn't true, because we're all still here. :D

 

[John]

If 2012 is the end, then pretribulation isn't true, because we're all still here. :D

 

[Lewis]

Didn't Jesus say only the Father knows. We are near but not ready yet. There are things that still have to be fullfield in the Bible first, like Ezekiel 38 and 39 and other stuff.

 

[Vic C.]

If 2012 is the end, then pretribulation isn't true, because we're all still here. :D

Hey John,

While I don't believe in pre trib, I wasn't putting the pre tribulationist down. I was just pointing out to a pre tribulationist that 2012 isn't the end. ;)

 

[Lee100]

I do believe that Ezekiel 38-39 will happen very soon.
I do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, I believe that the rapture will happen when the Antichrist reveals himself in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4 Concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our being gathered to him, we ask you, brothers, not to become easily unsettled or alarmed by some prophecy, report or letter supposed to have come from us, saying that the day of the Lord has already come.
Don’t let anyone deceive you in any way, for that day will not come until the rebellion occurs and the man of lawlessness is revealed, the man doomed to destruction.
He will oppose and will exalt himself over everything that is called God or is worshiped, so that he sets himself up in God’s temple, proclaiming himself to be God.

So as this scripture declares, we will be caught up when the antichrist reveals himself.

 

[Vic C.]

I do not believe in a pre-tribulation rapture, I believe that the rapture will happen when the Antichrist reveals himself in 2 Thessalonians 2:1-4

I'm sorry Lee, I thought you did.

 

[Lee100]

That is quite Okay Vic, I think it is good to have different views, it helps us all to get a bigger picture on things. Imagine if every body here had the same exact views, how boring would that be.

 

[MISFIT]

I am of Mayan decent and the calendar ends at the last day of the fifth life cycle. The Mayans believed that the world had been created and destroyed four times this is the fifth and it will end in 2012. Now we know this is not true, because it does not line up with the Bible. So who do you believe the ancient Mayans, or the word of GOD?

 

[Anna1334]

Here is my view on the Word of Yahweh.
I believe there will be two raptures the early rapture which are the first fruits and than the latter which will be the harvest of 144,000 with all who got saved at the tribulation.
One He comes as a thief in the night because in the first rapture He does not set foot on the Earth, this is the first harvest, Jeremiah 5:24 Neither say they in their heart, Let us now fear the Lord our God, that giveth rain, both the former and the latter, in his season: he reserveth unto us the appointed weeks of the harvest.
The second harvest, it will have more people than the first harvest.
Joel 3:13-15 Put ye in the sickle, for the harvest is ripe: come, get you down; for the press is full, the fats overflow; for their wickedness is great.
14. Multitudes, multitudes in the valley of decision: for the day of the Lord is near in the valley of decision.
15. The sun and the moon shall be darkened, and the stars shall withdraw their shining.

As you can see here Yeshua comes with wrath. This will be the second coming when every eye shall see Him, the first is like a thief in the night.
The Christians and the Jews will both join together and be one in Yeshua as He pray in John 17.

I love the Book of Ruth because it is a picture of wheat and barley harvest.
Also Neomi was Jewish and Ruth a Gentile, it is a picture of both sticking together through tough times.
Until her kinsman redeemer comes to rescue Ruth which is a picture of Yeshua when He rescues us. This is my point of view, i could be wrong but it gives me more hope.
Another picture of the rapture is found in Genesis 24, with Isaac after he engage his bride to be went to prepare a place for her so he can betrothed her. :yes

 

[ephesus32]

Yeah, I also don't think the end will be in 2012. I thought people were judged after the 7 year tribulation.

 

[Sinthesis]

Somewhere on this planet clocks read 20:12 (8:12pm) twenty four times a day, every day of the year. :crazy

 

[Cornelius]

Is it mere coincidence that the Scripture Revelation 20:12 and the Year 2012, both are about the end. Will the event in Revelation 20:12 occur on the year 20:12.
Revelation 20:12 (And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.)

And if there is a thread in this forum that talks about the possibility that Obama might be the Antichrist, would some one please provide a link.

This scripture speaks of the end of the 1000 years of peace. That is when the resurrection of the wicked happens. The first resurrection is very close now, but this one is still about 1000 years away.

Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: over these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

Notice the 1) blessed and 2) holy ,are part of the first resurrection . ONLY those are part of this resurrection.
The second resurrection is for the wicked only, those who were NOT part of the first resurrection. Notice the thousand year reign has not happened yet, and the first resurrection neither, so the second is still a 1000 years away.

C

 

[Sinthesis]

The second resurrection is for the wicked only,

Where does it say this?

 

[Shilohsfoal]

The second resurrection is for the wicked only,

Where does it say this?

I dont understand why people say this.
Seeing that everyone who is saved is saved by grace doesnt give any of us the right to call those who may not have even heard the gospel ,wicked.
This second resurrection in the book of revelation will include the small(children)who perhaps have never even heard of Jesus's name.It is written that these of the second resurection will be judged by thier works so we should let God do the judging.I wouldnt be surprised if some of thier works were better than some of our own.
Rev 20;11-15
It doesnt call them wicked.

 

[Vic C.]

For the simple fact that the text says this:

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I often wonder who, if any, come out of the second resurrection and judgment. The text above doesn't really indicate the meaning "all". It says "whosoever".

 

[Shilohsfoal]

For the simple fact that the text says this:

Rev 20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

I often wonder who, if any, come out of the second resurrection and judgment. The text above doesn't really indicate the meaning "all". It says "whosoever".

I dont know.
Im one who believes the 1000 year reign is the 7th day so Ive often wonderd why Israel was told to circumsize thier children on the eighth day.

 

[Cornelius]

The second resurrection is for the wicked only,

Where does it say this?

Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: over these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The "rest of the dead" are those who are not part of the first resurrection. They are not part, because they are not Christians.Only Christians are part of the first resurrection, because over THESE the second death have no power. Those who are in the second resurrection is not free from the second death.(Eternal damnation)

 

[Sinthesis]

The second resurrection is for the wicked only,

Where does it say this?

Rev 20:5 The rest of the dead lived not until the thousand years should be finished. This is the first resurrection.
Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: over these the second death hath no power; but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.

The "rest of the dead" are those who are not part of the first resurrection. They are not part, because they are not Christians.Only Christians are part of the first resurrection, because over THESE the second death have no power. Those who are in the second resurrection is not free from the second death.(Eternal damnation)

What I find peculiar in your assertion that 'The second resurrection is for the wicked only', is this would mean no Christians would be born during the 1000yrs of Christ's reign. Jesus reigns over only the wicked? Wicked who have no hope of conversion?