No, no need to delete this thread. It does sound like a 'sort' of Apologetics-type topic. Would you like it moved there as an alternative to deletion?
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Desire to be a vessel of honor unto the Lord Jesus Christ?
Join For His Glory for a discussion on how
https://christianforums.net/threads/a-vessel-of-honor.110278/
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Taking the time to pray? Christ is the answer in times of need
https://christianforums.net/threads/psalm-70-1-save-me-o-god-lord-help-me-now.108509/
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awisherofgrace
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Vic,
I actually would prefer you delete this thread and the thread entitled "Truinity Evidence All False". If you prefer not to delete them I would request you leave them right where they are.
Thanks in advance for your consideration on these requests.
I actually would prefer you delete this thread and the thread entitled "Truinity Evidence All False". If you prefer not to delete them I would request you leave them right where they are.
Thanks in advance for your consideration on these requests.
I also hate to elbow in, especially if I ended my part in the other thread with this similar topic. I am the type willing to debate things for awhile, and not much really bothers me, even if I use specific language at times. But then again, I see there's a point in time where I think I made my point, supported it with scripture (whether or not the others agree) and move on because one can get bandying somethings around forever (and who has that kind of time?)
Although I agree with you, "awisherofgrace" I do think you are letting this person get to you--- that's how you are coming across. Let it go. You made your points. For all we know, they may be a troll (or you or me for all we know)--- some folks like to get others going. That's why when I have to make the same point more than once or twice, I start to question--- When I saw that I was making some points but my questions were not being answered or addressed, then I decided to let it go. The results of the debate are clearly "inconclusive" because without all the information, one cannot judge. That's why I left.
Stalemate. How's that sound? Let's all have a good night now.
Although I agree with you, "awisherofgrace" I do think you are letting this person get to you--- that's how you are coming across. Let it go. You made your points. For all we know, they may be a troll (or you or me for all we know)--- some folks like to get others going. That's why when I have to make the same point more than once or twice, I start to question--- When I saw that I was making some points but my questions were not being answered or addressed, then I decided to let it go. The results of the debate are clearly "inconclusive" because without all the information, one cannot judge. That's why I left.
Stalemate. How's that sound? Let's all have a good night now.
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awisherofgrace
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liafailrock,
You find the debate inconclusive?
I, respectfully, couldn't disagree with you more....
Christ's victory is complete, I believe the scripture supports and gives account of the victory and the person of Christ.
I don't even view this as a debate. Squeaky has no leg to stand on scripturally.
You find the debate inconclusive?
I, respectfully, couldn't disagree with you more....
Christ's victory is complete, I believe the scripture supports and gives account of the victory and the person of Christ.
I don't even view this as a debate. Squeaky has no leg to stand on scripturally.
awisherofgrace:
I meant the conclusion of the forum, where one at least acknowledges the point of the other. In reality, that rarely happens in forums since most people enter them "with their minds made up" trying to convince others of their point. The only converts one ever gets are those who are sitting on the fence unsure of their position and there is no great emotional connection to defend the subject at hand.
Actually, I believe the bible teaches things that I claim to support by scripture that the mainline church does not agree with me, or even calls heretical. To me, the whole church world is sort of like a "Squeaky". And the agnostic critics find the arguments even more rediculous (but they don't believe the bible anyway). Now, how do you think that would feel to a person who believes that way, to be all (or mostly) alone? But I don't let it bother me because I know I came to these conclusions by careful study and reasoning them out. The Lord is my judge.
So I know the feeling, multiplied many times over.
Remember, you cannot make a person believe something--- as for grace, that comes from God. As much as being saved is preached as a free choice, that is a half truth. One has to be born of God, just as two parents decide to make a child (but a born child eventually knows it was born and chooses to live just as we, upon being born again, choose God when that happened)
I meant the conclusion of the forum, where one at least acknowledges the point of the other. In reality, that rarely happens in forums since most people enter them "with their minds made up" trying to convince others of their point. The only converts one ever gets are those who are sitting on the fence unsure of their position and there is no great emotional connection to defend the subject at hand.
Actually, I believe the bible teaches things that I claim to support by scripture that the mainline church does not agree with me, or even calls heretical. To me, the whole church world is sort of like a "Squeaky". And the agnostic critics find the arguments even more rediculous (but they don't believe the bible anyway). Now, how do you think that would feel to a person who believes that way, to be all (or mostly) alone? But I don't let it bother me because I know I came to these conclusions by careful study and reasoning them out. The Lord is my judge.
So I know the feeling, multiplied many times over.
Remember, you cannot make a person believe something--- as for grace, that comes from God. As much as being saved is preached as a free choice, that is a half truth. One has to be born of God, just as two parents decide to make a child (but a born child eventually knows it was born and chooses to live just as we, upon being born again, choose God when that happened)
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awisherofgrace
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Liafailrock,
You said:
Actually, I believe the bible teaches things that I claim to support by scripture that the mainline church does not agree with me, or even calls heretical. To me, the whole church world is sort of like a "Squeaky".
My Answer:
Squeaky is not a part of the Church. Squeaky rejects Christ. I don't know what you claim, but I pray it is not the same message as Squeaky.
If you wish to let me know what your claims are, I would be glad to give you my perspective on them. Your choice completely.
FYI - You are correct that my mind is made up.
You said:
Actually, I believe the bible teaches things that I claim to support by scripture that the mainline church does not agree with me, or even calls heretical. To me, the whole church world is sort of like a "Squeaky".
My Answer:
Squeaky is not a part of the Church. Squeaky rejects Christ. I don't know what you claim, but I pray it is not the same message as Squeaky.
If you wish to let me know what your claims are, I would be glad to give you my perspective on them. Your choice completely.
FYI - You are correct that my mind is made up.
awisherofgrace said:
Just hit on the "WWW" button below any of my messages and you will see.
Cheers.
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awisherofgrace
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Liafailrock,
I don't plan to read the book at the www link, but if you would like to discuss your beliefs here feel free.
I don't plan to read the book at the www link, but if you would like to discuss your beliefs here feel free.
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awisherofgrace
Guest
Squeaky,
I haven't gone anywhere. But, it is your hatred f Christ that is the issue.
You have spread your hatred of Christ all across the internet.
Since you reject Christ your sins are bound in heaven and on earth. Unless you repent you will die in your sins.
STOP REJECTING CHRIST!!!! The evidence in scripture goes on---and--- on---and--on.....
Titus 2:13
while we wait for the blessed hope–the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ...
Romans 9:5
of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him (Jesus), My LORD and my God.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 1:1-3,
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made....
Acts 20:28
"Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood"
Philippians 2:5
"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
II Peter 1:1
"Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ" (II Peter 1:1, NKJV).
I Timothy 3:16
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory" (I Timothy 3:16, NKJV).
Hebrews 1:8-9
"But to the Son He says: 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions" (Hebrews 1:8-9, NKJV; cf., Psalm 45:6-7).
I haven't gone anywhere. But, it is your hatred f Christ that is the issue.
You have spread your hatred of Christ all across the internet.
Since you reject Christ your sins are bound in heaven and on earth. Unless you repent you will die in your sins.
STOP REJECTING CHRIST!!!! The evidence in scripture goes on---and--- on---and--on.....
Titus 2:13
while we wait for the blessed hope–the glorious appearing of our great God and Savior, Jesus Christ...
Romans 9:5
of whom are the fathers and from whom, according to the flesh, Christ came, who is over all, the eternally blessed God. Amen.
John 20:28
And Thomas answered and said unto him (Jesus), My LORD and my God.
Isaiah 9:6
For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.
John 1:1-3,
"In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was in the beginning with God. All things were made through Him, and without Him nothing was made that was made....
Acts 20:28
"Therefore take heed to yourselves and to all the flock, among which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers, to shepherd the church of God which He purchased with His own blood"
Philippians 2:5
"Let this mind be in you which was also in Christ Jesus, who, being in the form of God, did not consider it robbery to be equal with God, but made Himself of no reputation, taking the form of a bondservant, and coming in the likeness of men.
II Peter 1:1
"Simon Peter, a bondservant and apostle of Jesus Christ, to those who have obtained like precious faith with us by the righteousness of our God and Saviour Jesus Christ" (II Peter 1:1, NKJV).
I Timothy 3:16
"And without controversy great is the mystery of godliness: God was manifested in the flesh, justified in the Spirit, seen by angels, preached among the Gentiles, believed on in the world, received up in glory" (I Timothy 3:16, NKJV).
Hebrews 1:8-9
"But to the Son He says: 'Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your Kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You with the oil of gladness more than Your companions" (Hebrews 1:8-9, NKJV; cf., Psalm 45:6-7).
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Vice
Guest
awisherofgrace said:
I heartily agree. In addition, every thread of Squeaky's should be either deleted or moved to the "other religions" or "apologetics" forums. They are NOT "in-house" debates and studies among Christians; they are detractions from both the person and work of Jesus Christ as God in the flesh.