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No, His sheep are those who have "entered through Me" from Jn 10:9.
The first statement is absolutely biblical. But not the second one. Jesus promised recipients of eternal life that they will never perish.
Yes, sir.
No, that is not right. That's not what Jesus promised to recipients of eternal life. There are NO CONDITIONS for recipients of eternal life.
Absolutely NOT. You're making the same mistake as another poster who assumes that a believer who ceases to believe returns to the status of an unbeliever.
There is NOTHING in v.27 that conditions Jesus' promise in v.28. The promise is based on being a recipient of eternal life.
Those recipients who later cease to believe.
It is wrong to assume that one who has been marked in Him with a seal, the Holy Spirit, can be:
It does not say what you are assuming, that anyone who has been marked in Christ with a seal, the Holy Spirit can be un-marked or un-sealed.You agree with 1 John 5:11-12 right? That is what it says.
That was my question for you. I believe there are NO conditions to recipients of eternal life.
the computer was jumping all over the place.. ..showing it's Pentecostal side i guess
I've never tried to separate them. But v.27 are NOT conditions for never perishing. He wa describing His sheep in v.27. Not listing conditions for how to never perish.
He sure was.
John 10:28 is about eternal security.
Not at all.
It is in Christ alone, through faith alone. If you do not have the Son, you do not have life.That's what I said.
The point remains; recipients of eternal life will never perish. That is eternal security stated as plainly as possible.
The issue is that recipients of eternal life will never perish.
On the contrary, I'm stuck on eternal security.
I know precisely where salvation is found. Acts 4:12
Of course. I've never said otherwise.
Believing is not a condition according to you asking again to make sure i understand
That's what I said.
The point remains; recipients of eternal life will never perish. That is eternal security stated as plainly as possible.
The issue is that recipients of eternal life will never perish.
On the contrary, I'm stuck on eternal security.
I know precisely where salvation is found. Acts 4:12
Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to men by which we must be saved."
Of course. I've never said otherwise.
The argument, of course, is different. That one who has been marked in Christ with a seal the Holy Spirit, can be -
un-marked
un-sealed
un-saved.
No verses have been shown that teach this un-doing.
Incorrect. One must believe in order to receive eternal life. I've never said otherwise.
Of course.
Such people NEVER believed. The Bible calls them unbelievers.
Right. Unbelievers. Never believed.
Trick question. His sheep, as opposed to those not His sheep, became His sheep by "entering through Him", per v.9. This is a metaphor or figure of speech for believing in Him. Those who believe receive eternal life. And will never perish.
Doesn't matter. Jesus is omniscient and knows full well who will not continue to follow Him. But His promise still stands.
It is a condition for the RECEPTION of eternal life. And once eternal life is received, the recipients will never perish.