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Salvation by grace through faith; not through works / law-keeping.

Why not live sinlessly now, to glorify the Savior that suffered and died for you?
Christians do live sinless. Just not perfectly sinless. And when we fall short of perfect behavior the blood of Christ keeps us 100% righteous, absolved of all sin guilt.

You seem to think that a Christian still sinning after rebirth can be nothing less than them living in brothels and drug dens and ripping off liquor stores. It's not that at all. The born again Christian does not live in sin like an unbeliever does. He struggles with it. It's the occassional intrusion in the believers life not his way of life like when he was an unbeliever. And the guilt of that unrighteousness is immediately forgiven and wiped away by the completed but ongoing ministry of Christ continually interceding for the struggling saint (Hebrews 7:25).
 
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I disagree, as rebirth has only occurred to those whose old fleshly oriented self was killed.
If they are still committing sin, they have not killed the old man and are still living the old life.
You are consciously and willingly rejecting passages like 2 Peter 1:8, Galatians 5:17-18, and Hebrews 12:1, and other passages. You can't just decide you're going to ignore, unrightly divide, or conveniently interpret plain scripture to suit your predetermined doctrinal position that the flesh being crucified means sinless perfection. But that is exactly what you are doing.

I'm showing you plain, factual scripture and you are deceitfully explaining it away. But you are only deceiving yourself because we know that we still sin but we believe the forgiveness of God keeps us declared 100% righteous and free of the guilt and uncleanness of our unrighteous behavior. And that is the righteousness we depend on. Meanwhile you are depending on the righteousness of your behavior. You serve a works justification gospel. You have no inheritance in the kingdom of God. You are the son born of Hagar who is sent away and does not share in the inheritance.

I hope for your sake you really are 100% sinless, because where you are at concerning the gospel you're going to need that righteousness, the righteousness of your works, to enter the kingdom of God because you don't have any other righteousness to depend on. You don't believe and rely on the righteousness of being continually cleansed and absolved of sin guilt through faith in Christ. You believe and trust in the righteousness of your works.
 
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Because there is still a day of judgement coming.
You don't become a sheep at the judgement. You are saved from the wrath of God at the judgement because you are already a sheep who won't come into condemnation (John 5:24).

As long as you are believing you are already judged as not being condemned. The final judgement is your formal acquittal. Just as the final judgement will be the sentencing of those who are already condemned by their sin (John 3:18).
 
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You are saying there is darkness in the light?

I’m saying what the scriptures say…

He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. 1 John 2:9-11


  • He who loves his brother abides in the light
  • But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness

When you apply an unbiblical man made meaning to scripture, you will surely adopt the unbiblical doctrine that results from such nonsense.


Sinless perfection is a false doctrine.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
1 John 1:8-10


The red letters pertain to you and all those who promote the false unbiblical doctrine of “sinless perfection”.






JLB
 
Because in that instant of justification when a person believes that person is absolved of all sin guilt.
Why not just say "sin" instead of "sin guilt"?
Is there a difference?
So what sin guilt do you think remains that would somehow prevent a person from being saved then?
Any they were not baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of.
Do you not believe in the forgiveness and cleansing of God?
Yes.
He provided the ways and means for its accomplishment.
Baptism in the name of Jesus Christ. (Acts 2:38)
Obviously, you do not. For you are locked in a works salvation where you become saved on the basis of your performance. You are still in the old covenant. You have no inheritance waiting for you at the end of your life. You are a son of Hagar.
Did I list some Law that you are citing?
My works are the result of my faith.
I believe God meant it for our use when He gave us the gift of repentance, and the gift of water baptism.
 
Why do you ignore the fact that Paul says the Corinthians are presently saved if they are presently holding fast the word of the gospel on which they stand? 1 Corinthians 15:1-2
How can the "saved" have already occurred when there is an "IF in verse 2..."By which also ye are saved, IF..."
There are conditions to be met until one's final day.
 
How can a person who's sins are instantly forgiven and continue to be forgiven somehow not be righteous, being completely absolved of sin guilt by the blood they believe and trust in?
By sinning again.
Or do you know of some righteous sin?
Sin would manifest that their repentance from sim was a lie to God.
We can't have a fellowship with God based on lies.
From time to time we will behave un-righteously after being declared righteous.
That is a lie from the devil.
God's seed cannot bring forth the fruit of the devil.
You better make up your mind on whom you are (re)born of.
That does not take away our sinless 100% righteous status before God because we continue to be absolved of sin guilt through our continuing faith in the blood of Christ.
Another lie.
If one has faith in God, why are they acting like they have no faith in God ?
A person has to go back to unbelief to no longer be sustained as 100% righteous before God through faith in Jesus' blood. All people who continue to believe in Jesus continue to be 100% righteous before God because of the continuing forgiveness of God they believe and trust in.
Sinners are not believers. (Psalm 78:31-33)
Sinners are the children of the devil. (1 John 3:10)
Sinners have not killed the old man and been raised with Christ to walk in newness of life. (Ro 6:4)
Sinners hate God. (Mat 6:24)
 
You do not know what repentance means. It does not mean sinlessness.
It depends on what one repents of.
If one repents of smoking, they don't smoke anymore.
If one repents of driving foreign cars, they don't drive foreign cars anymore.
If one repents of sin, they don't sin anymore.
And that sinless life is made possible by the death of the old man and rebirth from God's seed, and the gift of the Holy Ghost, and pastors and teachers, and by prophesy, and by reading and studying and fellowship.
 
You don't become a sheep at the judgement. You are saved from the wrath of God at the judgement because you are already a sheep who won't come into condemnation (John 5:24).

As long as you are believing you are already judged as not being condemned. The final judgement is your formal acquittal. Just as the final judgement will be the sentencing of those who are already condemned by their sin (John 3:18).
I'll wait for God's acquittal before saying I an acquitted.
 
I’m saying what the scriptures say…
...to/of those walking in darkness.
He who says he is in the light, and hates his brother, is in darkness until now. He who loves his brother abides in the light, and there is no cause for stumbling in him. But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness, and does not know where he is going, because the darkness has blinded his eyes. 1 John 2:9-11
  • He who loves his brother abides in the light
  • But he who hates his brother is in darkness and walks in darkness
When you apply an unbiblical man made meaning to scripture, you will surely adopt the unbiblical doctrine that results from such nonsense
Sinless perfection is a false doctrine.
If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us. If we confess our sins, He is faithful and just to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness. If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar, and His word is not in us.
1 John 1:8-10
The red letters pertain to you and all those who promote the false unbiblical doctrine of “sinless perfection”.
I thank God for His alternative to walking in darkness.
It is written..."But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin." (1 John 1:7)
It is also written..."And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him." (1 John 2:3-4)

If it is true that no man can walk in the light, as you infer, than nobody can say they know Him or that they have fellowship with God either.
 
I'll wait for God's acquittal before saying I an acquitted.
Having faith means you know that you will pass safely through the final judgment on the basis of faith in Christ's forgiveness, not because of your righteous works. You don't have that faith. You are trusting that you will be perfectly sinless at the final judgment, and that on that basis will be able to safely pass through the final judgement. Meanwhile, we are trusting that Christ's righteousness imputed to us through our faith in Christ is the righteousness that will see us safely through the final judgement with no reliance on the merit of the righteousness of our works to get us through. That's what it means to be a believer.
 
It depends on what one repents of.
If one repents of smoking, they don't smoke anymore.
If one repents of driving foreign cars, they don't drive foreign cars anymore.
If one repents of sin, they don't sin anymore.
No, repentance means a change of mind about those things. A change of mind not always seen in how we act because of the deceitfulness of sin in the flesh that so easily entangles and which competes with the Spirit. That's why Paul tells us to perform deeds in keeping with our repentance (Acts 26:20). Which he would not have to say if it was true that born again people are literally never able to not do deeds in keeping with repentance.
 
Having faith means you know that you will pass safely through the final judgment on the basis of faith in Christ's forgiveness,
Agreed
not because of your righteous works.
Agreed, but the righteous works are the manifestation of my faith.
You don't have that faith. You are trusting that you will be perfectly sinless at the final judgment, and that on that basis will be able to safely pass through the final judgement.
Isn't "trust" the same as "faith" ?
I know that no liars, thieves, adulterers, or murderers will get eternal life.
So doesn't it seem reasonable that by avoiding doing those things you will be saved?
Meanwhile, we are trusting that Christ's righteousness imputed to us through our faith in Christ is the righteousness that will see us safely through the final judgement with no reliance on the merit of the righteousness of our works to get us through. That's what it means to be a believer.
That works for me, as long as you don't lie, commit adultery, steal, or use the Lord's name in vain.
It is written..."The fear of the Lord is the beginning of wisdom." (Pro 9:10)
Where is your fear?
 
No, repentance means a change of mind about those things.
Yes, from accepting of them to denying them.
A change of mind not always seen in how we act
Lie.
No change, no repentance.
because of the deceitfulness of sin in the flesh that so easily entangles and which competes with the Spirit. That's why Paul tells us to perform deeds in keeping with our repentance (Acts 26:20). Which he would not have to say if it was true that born again people are literally never able to not do deeds in keeping with repentance.
" Perform deeds ! " ???
Why are you not accusing him of "works salvation" like you keep doing to me?
 
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