Salvation through baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.

[justbyfaith]

@justbyfaith: <NO ANSWER>

I answered you.

 

[justbyfaith]

That's false, too.

Wrong.

What do you mean?

The Father and the Son and the Holy Ghost have one name, "Jesus Christ".

Jesus Christ of Nazareth" is not a name of the Father, and obviously neither of those Acts passages you gave teaches that it is.

"Jesus Christ of Nazareth" is not a name of the Holy Ghost, and obviously neither of those Acts passages you gave teaches that it is.

It becomes clear when you compare Matthew 28:19 w/ Acts 2:38. Acts 4:10-12 simply clarifies which Jesus (see 2 Corinthians 11:3-4) we are talking about in Acts 2:38.

Of course it is a name, so long as someone or something is named by it. The question is, is "Jesus Christ of Nazareth" a title? Since you claim that a name is not a title, according to you, "Jesus Christ of Nazareth" is not a title, since it's a name.

Yes, it is a name and not a title.

That's a falsehood, too.

Wrong again.

I did not ask you about the single word, "Christ". I asked you about the two-word phrase you used, viz., "Jesus Christ":

"Jesus Christ" is a name and not a title.

 

[JLB]

I would like here to make a case for baptism in Jesus' Name.

First I want to show that scripturally baptism has the power to save.

1Pe 3:20, Which sometime were disobedient, when once the longsuffering of God waited in the days of Noah, while the ark was a preparing, wherein few, that is, eight souls were saved by water.
1Pe 3:21, The like figure whereunto even baptism doth also now save us (not the putting away of the filth of the flesh, but the answer of a good conscience toward God,) by the resurrection of Jesus Christ:

In verse 20, it makes it clear that the baptism being spoken of in verse 21 is water baptism.

Now, I know that a case can be made that we are saved by grace through faith; as though this excluded being saved through the grace of baptism. In this post I will not argue that a person can only be saved through baptism in Jesus' Name (except in part); but that baptism in Jesus' Name has the power to save a soul;

And that therefore, if you have any doubts about your salvation, being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins may be something that you might want to try.

For it is written,

Deu 4:29, But if from thence thou shalt seek the LORD thy God, thou shalt find him, if thou seek him with all thy heart and with all thy soul.

and,

Jer 29:13, And ye shall seek me, and find me, when ye shall search for me with all your heart.

It should be clear that there is a conditional promise in holy scripture, that we can receive the gift of the Holy Ghost...

The condition being that we repent and are baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins:

Act 2:38, Then Peter said unto them, Repent, and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins, and ye shall receive the gift of the Holy Ghost.
Act 2:39, For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

I would say, also, that if baptism does indeed save, that this salvation is in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth:

Act 4:10, Be it known unto you all, and to all the people of Israel, that by the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth, whom ye crucified, whom God raised from the dead, even by him doth this man stand here before you whole.
Act 4:11, This is the stone which was set at nought of you builders, which is become the head of the corner.
Act 4:12, Neither is there salvation in any other: for there is none other name under heaven given among men, whereby we must be saved.

Now, here I will make a case for the exclusivisity in salvation of being baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.

For the promise of Acts 2:38 is a conditional promise.

Act 2:39, For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call.

And it is given to as many as the Lord our God shall call.

Consider.

Rom 8:30, Moreover whom he did predestinate, them he also called: and whom he called, them he also justified: and whom he justified, them he also glorified.

If you are not among the called, then you were never predestinated unto salvation; and will not be justified.

Nevertheless, in Mark 16:16, it is those who believe not who will be damned; baptism isn't mentioned (as concerning condemnation for lack of it) except as a guarantee for salvation wherein it says, "whosoever believeth and is baptized shall be saved."

This indicates to me that, whereas in John 3:16, if you believe only, you "should" not perish, that if you believe and are baptized, you have an absolute promise of salvation...the word "shall" is an absolute one...whereas the word "should" is rather iffy.

So, I will not here preach that you must be baptized in Jesus' Name or else you will not be saved (I will allow the word of God to do that preaching for me, in verses already quoted); but I will say that if you want absolute assurance of salvation, the next step is to be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins.

Then, you shall receive remission of sins (1 John 3:9) and the gift of the Holy Ghost.

Thanks for starting this thread.

It's a great topic and important.

Baptism in water is for believers, people who have believed and are saved.

Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12


JLB

 

[Hopeful]

Peter said "the like figure," which is the symbol of our salvation.

He uses Noah and his family being saved by water as an example. That example has nothing to do with salvation, but only saved their lives as the ark lifted them up to safety.

Water baptism is the visible symbol of our spiritual salvation by grace through faith. You are literally seeing the "baptism into the death of Christ" taking place by means of water. It is not our salvation but the symbol "the like figure" of our salvation.

We are saved by baptism, but not water baptism. Our salvation is the "circumcision made without hands." which is a spiritual baptism. It's not an immersion into water, but a spiritual immersion into the death of Christ, in which the water represents.

Col. 2:11-13
"In whom also ye are circumcised with the circumcision made without hands, in putting off the body of the sins of the flesh by the circumcision of Christ:

Buried with him in baptism, wherein also ye are risen with him through the faith of the operation of God, who hath raised him from the dead.

And you, being dead in your sins and the uncircumcision of your flesh, hath he quickened together with him, having forgiven you all trespasses;"

If water baptism is just a "like figure", then so too is Noah and the ask.
Both are "figures".

I wish folks would quit trying to assign salvation to a single element.
Faith, water baptism, Spirit baptism, public profession, etc.
All these, and more things, work together for salvation.

 

[Hopeful]

No; water baptism is not a work; because a person can receive remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost (salvation) as the result of it.

The Bible is clear that we are not saved by works.

Works of the Law!
Nowhere is anything else but the Mosaic Law labeled by Paul as a "work".

 

[Hopeful]

Ok, then let me ask what you do with the thief on the cross who had no time to be water baptized. Saved or not saved?

Saved.
His actions were the physical things those of us who are water baptized into Christ and into His death and burial experience by faith.

 

[justbyfaith]

Works of the Law!
Nowhere is anything else but the Mosaic Law labeled by Paul as a "work".

Yes; and baptism is certainly not a work of the law because it brings salvation (remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost, Acts 2:38); and trusting in the works of the law brings condemnation (Galatians 5:1-4).

It is a logical impossibility that something could bring both salvation and condemnation at the same time.

 

[Hopeful]

You think that the realm of the teachings about baptism is the law?

The scripture that I quoted shows that submitting to baptism as an action of the will, produces a change in the heart as concerning faith.

Sometimes the effect comes much later.

For the thief, the effect occurred when he said to Jesus, "Lord, remember me when you come into Your kingdom." That was a statement of faith.

But I would point out, that the argument about the thief on the cross is only valid if the thief had never been baptized.

And, since that remains unknown to us, the argument cannot be made.

As long as there is the possibility that the thief was baptized, the argument cannot be made.

In order to make the argument, you have to establish that the thief had absolutely, never been baptized.

Otherwise, the mere possibility that he had been baptized creates an element of doubt that breaks the argument in pieces.

The thief couldn't be water baptized into Christ until Christ had died and risen.
The thief converted in the yet OT.

 

[justbyfaith]

Thanks for starting this thread.

It's a great topic and important.

Baptism in water is for believers, people who have believed and are saved.

Those by the wayside are the ones who hear; then the devil comes and takes away the word out of their hearts, lest they should believe and be saved. Luke 8:12


JLB

More specifically, water baptism is for those who have repented.

I am uncertain that salvation comes except after a person receives the ordinance of baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

 

[justbyfaith]

Saved.
His actions were the physical things those of us who are water baptized into Christ and into His death and burial experience by faith.

It must be remembered that the thief repented while they were all there suffering there on their crosses.

In one gospel, it says that both thieves lambasted Jesus. In another, it credits one of the thieves with a conversion so that he defended Jesus.

Not a contradiction.

 

[Hopeful]

Yes; and baptism is certainly not a work of the law because it brings salvation (remission of sins and the gift of the Holy Ghost, Acts 2:38); and trusting in the works of the law brings condemnation (Galatians 5:1-4).

It is not a work of the Law because the Law doesn't demand water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.

It is a logical impossibility that something could bring both salvation and condemnation at the same time.

Agreed.

 

[justbyfaith]

The thief couldn't be water baptized into Christ until Christ had died and risen.
The thief converted in the yet OT.

Of course people were baptized before Christ was crucified and risen.

By John the Baptist, and then by Jesus and His disciples (John 3-4).

 

[Hopeful]

More specifically, water baptism is for those who have repented.

Agreed.

I am uncertain that salvation comes except after a person receives the ordinance of baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins.

Could you rephrase that?

 

[justbyfaith]

It is not a work of the Law because the Law doesn't demand water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of past sins.

Nevertheless, I believe that it is a necessity for salvation (Acts 2:39, Romans 8:30).

The argument may be that that would make it a work of the law.

However, if that is the case, then confessing with your mouth the Lord Jesus, believing that God has raised Him from the dead, would also be a work of the law; since salvation cannot be accomplished without it.

 

[justbyfaith]

Could you rephrase that?

I don't think that anyone is saved except after they repent and receive baptism in Jesus' Name.

 

[Hopeful]

It must be remembered that the thief repented while they were all there suffering there on their crosses.

As his time situation was minimal, repentance is sorta beside the point.
He acknowledged he was getting his just desserts...and did.
Death for his sins.
We too get death for our sins, but in Christ instead of alongside Him.

In one gospel, it says that both thieves lambasted Jesus. In another, it credits one of the thieves with a conversion so that he defended Jesus.
Not a contradiction.

Not a contradiction, but different POVs.
What Matt saw and heard may be different than what John saw and heard.
Mark and Luke probably heard second hand about all of it.

 

[Paul E. Michael]

The question is, is "Jesus Christ of Nazareth" a title? Since you claim that a name is not a title, according to you, "Jesus Christ of Nazareth" is not a title, since it's a name.

Yes, it is a name and not a title.

OK, so according to you, "Jesus Christ of Nazareth" is not a title. What about "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS"? Is that a title, a τίτλον? Yes or No?

"Jesus Christ" is a name and not a title.

• What about the phrase "Jesus Christ" makes you say it is a name?
• What about the phrase "Jesus Christ" makes you say it is not a title?

 

[Hopeful]

Of course people were baptized before Christ was crucified and risen.

True, but not INTO Christ and into His death and burial. (Rom 6:3-4)

By John the Baptist, and then by Jesus and His disciples (John 3-4).

John baptized "unto repentance".
We are baptized into Christ and into His death and burial: from whence we are raised with Him to walk in newness of life.
Thanks be to God for His incredible gift !

 

[justbyfaith]

• What about the phrase "Jesus Christ" makes you say it is a name?
• What about the phrase "Jesus Christ" makes you say it is not a title?

It is the name of God.

OK, so according to you, "Jesus Christ of Nazareth" is not a title. What about "JESUS OF NAZARETH, THE KING OF THE JEWS"? Is that a title, a τίτλον? Yes or No?

"Jesus of Nazareth" is a name; "King of the Jews" is a title.

I am not going to answer with a "yes" or "no" because the true answer cannot be answered with a "yes" or "no"; but only with the answer that I have given.

What's with the Greek lettering?

 

[justbyfaith]

True, but not INTO Christ and into His death and burial. (Rom 6:3-4)

John baptized "unto repentance".
We are baptized into Christ and into His death and burial: from whence we are raised with Him to walk in newness of life.
Thanks be to God for His incredible gift !

What is repentance but c change of mind so that you begin to walk in newness of life?

And what is walking in newness of life except the result of repentance?

There is one baptism (Ephesians 4:4).

Whether it was accomplished by John the Baptist, Jesus, one of Jesus' disciples, or by any of their converts throughout the ages, water baptism in the name of Jesus Christ of Nazareth for the remission of sins is baptism into the body of Christ.